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On March 09 2012 15:52 Sovano wrote:
Hm, advertising your own KB ftw. Anyways joking aside, I was set on waiting for the CM Storm Quick Fire to come out with the Cherry MX Browns. Although after looking at the Ducky 1087s that Boblhead posted, I'm now at a crossroads. I am definite on my choice of Cherry MX Brown switches. In terms of pricing they're going to be pretty similar, and both are TKL. What my question is, which has the better build quality?
If build quality is a priority, go with the Quick Fire. Duckies have been known to be lacking in this area, while all Costar keyboards (including Rosewills and the Quick Fire) with which I am familiar are as solid as a Filco.
On March 09 2012 17:29 Boblhead wrote:
ducky's ahve been around for awhile, CM storms are new to the market. Overall haven't had the time to get my hands on a CM storm I would say the Ducky is same or higher build quality. The only thing that is appealing is that CM storms are made in the same factory as filcos, but they don't have the filco controller like RK series. overall ducky is a solid choice.
As for the controller, that has no bearing at all on build quality. And the Ducky also has a different controller than the Filco. 
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On March 07 2012 03:45 Typhon wrote:
I just got my Blackwidow keyboard, I'm satisfied as it's great for typing (I'm a programmer) but it doesn't seem particularly good for gaming. In particular, the release point of the Cherry MX Blue is above the activation point, so it takes more movement in order to double-tap a key, and you have to "re-click" it. (compare with the Steelseries, which uses Cherry Blacks, which don't have this issue) Is there any particular advantage the Blues have for gaming that I missed?
There's no advantage to blues for gaming over other switches. The double tapping issue is a slight disadvantage, but only if you need to double tap. My understanding is that this is important mainly in FPS games. If you like the sound and feel of the blues, that is much more important IMO.
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double tapping is extremely important for starcraft control groups and can speed up your gameplay by a great deal actually
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I posted here before about the steelseries 6gv2 with black switches VS blue switches.
Today my Das Keyboard Model S Professional (with blue switches) arrived.
Now I have a direct comparsion between black and blue switches and the two keyboards:
Das Keyboard:
Positive:
-Clear Feedback if a key was pressed or not. With the black switches I sometimes had this "uncertain" feeling i a key actuall registered or not because of the linear nature of the keys.
-Layout of the keys is standard: $ and {} are where they are in every normal german keyboard
Negative:
-The clicking Noise is really loud and annoys me (maybe i will get used to it)
-Somehow i am slower with this keyboard. Maybe i just have to get used to it. On the typing speedtest website I barely get 100 WPM, while with the steelseries I get 110. (maybe its just the clicking noise which hurts my concentration)
-While some say doubletapping with blue switches is not a real issue, I personally feel double tapping feels much worse on the blue switches
Steelseries:
Positive:
-Double Tap
-More Silent
Negative:
-The one key moved to the third row (its the "| \" key in us layout i think, but its the "$ }" key in german which sucks alot as a programmer)
-not a clear feedback if a key was really pressed or not if you don't bottom out.
Conclusion: I would probably go with the steelseries if there was not the problem with the moved key which really sucks for me.... but the noise of the blue switches bothers me too... so maybe i have to order a brown switches keyboard :D
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On March 09 2012 23:30 Shikyo wrote:
double tapping is extremely important for starcraft control groups and can speed up your gameplay by a great deal actually
Can you elaborate?
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On March 10 2012 02:47 Hashbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 23:30 Shikyo wrote:
double tapping is extremely important for starcraft control groups and can speed up your gameplay by a great deal actually Can you elaborate?
11, select group 1, go to group 1. As for whether the blues will make that harder or easier, probably a subjective thing. Certainly for people with less precise hands, I could see the Blues being helpful in that they'd prevent accidentally doing that. I've heard that a lot of people make a ton of noise on blacks, because they bottom out every keystroke because they come up short a lot if they don't.
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On March 10 2012 02:59 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 02:47 Hashbaz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:30 Shikyo wrote:
double tapping is extremely important for starcraft control groups and can speed up your gameplay by a great deal actually Can you elaborate? 11, select group 1, go to group 1. As for whether the blues will make that harder or easier, probably a subjective thing.
That's not subjective, with blacks and reds for instance it's far faster than with blues. Whether you value that though is subjective.
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On March 10 2012 03:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 02:59 JingleHell wrote:On March 10 2012 02:47 Hashbaz wrote:On March 09 2012 23:30 Shikyo wrote:
double tapping is extremely important for starcraft control groups and can speed up your gameplay by a great deal actually Can you elaborate? 11, select group 1, go to group 1. As for whether the blues will make that harder or easier, probably a subjective thing. That's not subjective, with blacks and reds for instance it's far faster than with blues. Whether you value that though is subjective.
Read. And consider the meaning of words. I did not say FASTER. I said "harder or easier". Precision is a factor in the ease of control with blacks, and precision is subjective, meaning it varies from person to person. For some people, control would be harder on linear switches.
I'm not talking about benchmarking the two and seeing which one allows for more activations within a set amount of time. I'm talking about what individual people are capable of doing with different equipment. And for some people, linear switches would cause mis-micro.
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i've played starcraft on tens of different keyboards and my first experience with a mechanical keyboard wasn't that great. Granted i only gave the keyboard 2 days to convince me, but i can vouch that the main reason i didn't like the cherry blues in the das keyboard is due to the double clicking issue during starcraft. The typing was magnificent, the feel was great, and i can see how others (not me) could enjoy the clicky clack sound, but when i played starcraft on it it was just not enjoyable due to the double clicking problem. It may just be the way I type / play, but yea im never going back to a mechanical blue switch.
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How much does the sound differ between brown switches and red switches? Which one is the noise-iest and how big's the difference?
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I have a Leopold with browns. The sound they make is mostly the click when they hit bottom, which is probably the same for reds, and you can get "landing pad" foam bits to silence that.
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Neither browns or reds got any sound-emitting mechanics, so it will depend only on your style of typing. I think reds will be easier to bottom out, and bottoming out = noise. However, if you type very heavily, you'll bottom out on browns too, and they probably will produce more noise as they need more force to activate.
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Regarding the double-tapping thing on blue switches: you can double-tap without releasing the key beyond the release point of the clicky part (which is just a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit beyond the release point of signaling), meaning that you can double-tap while only hearing one click, also meaning that you're not fully releasing the key and thus saving some travel distance.
It pretty much comes naturally after a couple of weeks of use. At least it did for me.
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Double-tapping on blues becomes a non-issue the more you get used to it. When I heard people saying that as a con towards blue switches, I took note of it, but it's not really an issue in any sort of practical use; whether RTS, FPS, or general typing.
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That's what I've been saying whenever people suggested using something other than blue switches because of "double tapping issues". Boy, how mad I get when I see that term being uttered.
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On March 10 2012 03:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 02:59 JingleHell wrote:
11, select group 1, go to group 1. As for whether the blues will make that harder or easier, probably a subjective thing. That's not subjective, with blacks and reds for instance it's far faster than with blues. Whether you value that though is subjective.
I reject that as a good reason not to get blues. You're saying that selecting a control group and centering over it a microsecond faster is significant?
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On March 10 2012 04:50 robaq wrote:
Neither browns or reds got any sound-emitting mechanics, so it will depend only on your style of typing. I think reds will be easier to bottom out, and bottoming out = noise. However, if you type very heavily, you'll bottom out on browns too, and they probably will produce more noise as they need more force to activate.
Maybe I just have a weird typing style, but it seems far more counter-productive if you type and don't bottom out. Do people even do such a thing?
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On March 10 2012 13:21 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 04:50 robaq wrote:
Neither browns or reds got any sound-emitting mechanics, so it will depend only on your style of typing. I think reds will be easier to bottom out, and bottoming out = noise. However, if you type very heavily, you'll bottom out on browns too, and they probably will produce more noise as they need more force to activate. Maybe I just have a weird typing style, but it seems far more counter-productive if you type and don't bottom out. Do people even do such a thing?
As was stated in the OP, not everyone takes advantage of not having to bottom out. It's just something the a switch gives you the chance to do. It's not necessarily bad to try and double tap on a switch with a bump but it is easier to double tap on a linear switch because of its nature.
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If you're used to typing on a rubber-dome keyboard, it's hard at first not to bottom out on mech keys. But I find that the more I type on my mech kb the less force I use on the keys. I still hit bottom but not as hard as I did at first.
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