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Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
July 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#21
That psu is horrendous, please get something else. Moreover, you might want to take an extra quiet PSU for an HTPC.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 11 2011 16:24 GMT
#22
S.O.U.L, I've wasted too much sanity arguing with you before, so I'm just going to let my statements stand, and he can decide for himself what he actually needs.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 16:41:48
July 11 2011 16:30 GMT
#23
Core i3 2100T - $135
H61 Mobo - $60
4GB DDR3 RAM - $32
HD5450 - $40
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 HDD - $55
DVD/CD Burner/Reader - $19
XION HTPC Series XON-810PCB-RD icro ATX / Mini ITX Slim Desktop Micro ATX Media Center / HTPC Case w/ 450W Power Supply - $65

Total = $406

Some things you can do to save money:
1. Drop the HD5450, use integrated graphics, and get a discreet card later on; the Core i3 is powerful enough to give you HD playback
2. Change from the 2100T to 2100, G840, or even G620 (see note)
3. Get a smaller HDD
4. Change the HTPC Case/PSU/Keyboard combo

Sims 3 doesn't require a lot. My gf's 1.6Ghz Dual Core, 3GB RAM, integrated graphics plays it. It just takes a day and a half to load.

Note: The reason why I suggested a Core i3 2100T is because it uses way less power, which would be nice if you're using this HTPC all day downloading torrents and such. Similarly, there's a G620T.

And be careful taking SOUL's advice. I'm not going to nitpick at everything he says, but the important thing I think I need to point out is...

Just because you can, doesn't mean you have too. Or that it's the best buy for your money. I can go buy an overpriced Pentium 4 system on eBay right now and use it as an HTPC, but that won't be optimal for obvious reasons.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 20:04:35
July 11 2011 20:01 GMT
#24
On July 12 2011 01:30 jacosajh wrote:
Note: The reason why I suggested a Core i3 2100T is because it uses way less power, which would be nice if you're using this HTPC all day downloading torrents and such. Similarly, there's a G620T


No, the listed TDP is 35W versus 65W, but actual power consumption isn't that different, both at idle and at load. Patricularly, i3-2100T compared to the Pentium models is a pretty small difference in power consumption.

You can check more reviews, but as a start:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-g850-g840-g620_8.html#sect0
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1202-page6.html

edit: granted, at those power draws, I'd suspect that some measuring devices wouldn't be so accurate. But with the same power supply and other components used except for the CPU, I expect that if there's some error, it should be fairly consistent, making the relative values reasonably indicative of what's really going on.

You can also close the gap by just undervolting a normal non-T or non-S processor.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
July 11 2011 20:09 GMT
#25
Wow, that's crazy, I didn't know the difference was that small. It's less, but not enough to warrant a lower clock and higher price.

Not going to lie, I didn't even read the whole thing (your links), the charts are pretty self-explanatory. Hopefully, I didn't miss anything important. I guess I'll read them later when I have more time.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 11 2011 20:17 GMT
#26
Charts are enough. Suffice to say, there's nothing particularly magic about the low-power variants. They're just configured with a bit lower frequencies and voltages, and I think they give you a slimmer (i.e. worse, but will fit in even slimmer cases) heatsink? It's the same technology--I don't think they bother changing the design, using less leaky transistors for lower power consumption and less performance, and things like that.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 11 2011 20:19 GMT
#27
On July 12 2011 05:17 Myrmidon wrote:
Charts are enough. Suffice to say, there's nothing particularly magic about the low-power variants. They're just configured with a bit lower frequencies and voltages, and I think they give you a slimmer (i.e. worse, but will fit in even slimmer cases) heatsink? It's the same technology--I don't think they bother changing the design, using less leaky transistors for lower power consumption and less performance, and things like that.


It's probably just shitty binned chips that couldn't handle stock clocks well, so they ramp it down a little and act like it's a feature to make money off them.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 20:25:32
July 11 2011 20:23 GMT
#28
Just built a similar pc for a customer for a web browsing/ movie watching pc, cept he gets his movies from a home server, regardless he says it performs well and transfers files to and from very fast. He had a $400 budget saved him around $60 - 80.

DVD BURNER: Dvd Burner $18.99
MEMORY: 2x1gb ddr3 1333 $27.99
MOBO: Micro atx MSI mobo $69.99
CPU: Pentium g620 2.6ghz 2x256kb L2 cache, 3mb L3 cache $77.99
GPU: Evga 520 1gb ddr3 $64.99
HDD: HDD $39.99
PSU: 350 watt psu 80 plus bronze certified $41.99

Total: $341.93 usd
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 20:28:01
July 11 2011 20:26 GMT
#29
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4380/discrete-htpc-gpus-shootout/16

GT 430 is actually better than GT520 for HTPC, according to this, and about the same price.

Cheaper AMIR. Although apparently the 6570 is slightly better overall for ease of use.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130656&cm_re=gt_430-_-14-130-656-_-Product
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-11 22:26:49
July 11 2011 22:22 GMT
#30
On July 12 2011 05:19 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 05:17 Myrmidon wrote:
Charts are enough. Suffice to say, there's nothing particularly magic about the low-power variants. They're just configured with a bit lower frequencies and voltages, and I think they give you a slimmer (i.e. worse, but will fit in even slimmer cases) heatsink? It's the same technology--I don't think they bother changing the design, using less leaky transistors for lower power consumption and less performance, and things like that.


It's probably just shitty binned chips that couldn't handle stock clocks well, so they ramp it down a little and act like it's a feature to make money off them.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.


LOL "green chips" sup

I'm slightly confused is this a HTPC or just a computer to watch movies on once in a while? Its connected to a 17"?
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
July 11 2011 22:32 GMT
#31
On July 12 2011 05:17 Myrmidon wrote:
Charts are enough. Suffice to say, there's nothing particularly magic about the low-power variants. They're just configured with a bit lower frequencies and voltages, and I think they give you a slimmer (i.e. worse, but will fit in even slimmer cases) heatsink? It's the same technology--I don't think they bother changing the design, using less leaky transistors for lower power consumption and less performance, and things like that.


Ahhh, I see where I asked about this somewhere else, and was comparing the 2100T to a i5 750. For some reason, I thought it was being compared to a 2100 when someone said it would use way less power. Just re-read and got some clarification.

Either way, I still think the 2100 is a good buy for an HTPC. Better than an Athlon II X2 anyways.
Cmon
Profile Joined August 2010
38 Posts
July 12 2011 12:45 GMT
#32
woa, didn't know even if I use Intel/gforce, it's within my friend's budget (thanks Boblhead & jacosajh)

I get the idea from all of you guys, mainly the processor/vga/mobo combination

Thanks again all
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
July 12 2011 18:58 GMT
#33
On July 12 2011 05:23 Boblhead wrote:
Just built a similar pc for a customer for a web browsing/ movie watching pc, cept he gets his movies from a home server, regardless he says it performs well and transfers files to and from very fast. He had a $400 budget saved him around $60 - 80.

DVD BURNER: Dvd Burner $18.99
MEMORY: 2x1gb ddr3 1333 $27.99
MOBO: Micro atx MSI mobo $69.99
CPU: Pentium g620 2.6ghz 2x256kb L2 cache, 3mb L3 cache $77.99
GPU: Evga 520 1gb ddr3 $64.99
HDD: HDD $39.99
PSU: 350 watt psu 80 plus bronze certified $41.99

Total: $341.93 usd


Just a quick note on this.

-There's no case, so that'll be extra.
-The cost difference between 2GB and 4GB RAM is like $3~5 so you might as well get 4GB RAM.
-If you're building an HTPC with intentions of saving media on it, you might as well get a 1TB HDD. A Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB is only $15 more for 2x the HDD. Of course, if you want to save money, then it's no problem to get a cheaper HDD now and add-on later.
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