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mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
July 01 2011 04:09 GMT
#1
Hey everyone, Im looking into getting a new keyboard soon. I was thinking Razer only because I new them, But once I started looking into mechanical keyboards, I came across the Steel Series 7G. If you have a mechanical keyboard, who made it and why do you recommend it?

Thanks for reading and if you need any more information, Just let me know!

Poll: What company produces the best mechanical Keyboard?

Steel Series (143)
 
50%

Razer (141)
 
50%

284 total votes

Your vote: What company produces the best mechanical Keyboard?

(Vote): Steel Series
(Vote): Razer

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Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
July 01 2011 04:10 GMT
#2
none Filco is the best hands down
Whatever happens, happens
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:11:09
July 01 2011 04:10 GMT
#3
Liquid or EG/Grubby?
I could spend a while with that smile
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 01 2011 04:11 GMT
#4
Steelseries made a commercial encouraging cheating. I voted Razer.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 01 2011 04:11 GMT
#5
I've got a razer blackwidow with the lights. It's quite nice, except the spacebar got messed up due to me raging and pounding on it :\ I'd recommend it for sure, it's a great buy and a really good keyboard.
can i get my estro logo back pls
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 01 2011 04:11 GMT
#6
I don't understand why people waste money on a keyboard. How is it any different than some $20 one you get from walmart?

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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
July 01 2011 04:12 GMT
#7
Why not Das?
mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
July 01 2011 04:13 GMT
#8
I think that video was saying that he doesnt cheat. What video are you reffering to?
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alokin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada269 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:15:23
July 01 2011 04:13 GMT
#9
There is a ton of threads about these 2 keyboards.

It's all preference whether you like the Cherry MX Blue (Razer) key switches o rCherry MX Black (Steele Series).

Check this link (Mechanical Keyboard Guide) to see which one you may prefer or just goto your local store and ask to try each out for a few seconds.



EDIT: I own the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate. I would recommend the Blackwidow and if you don't care about lights or extra usb/sound ports off your keyboard you can save a good 40bucks.
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isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
July 01 2011 04:13 GMT
#10
On July 01 2011 13:11 aRyuujin wrote:
I've got a razer blackwidow with the lights. It's quite nice, except the spacebar got messed up due to me raging and pounding on it :\ I'd recommend it for sure, it's a great buy and a really good keyboard.



Not going to lie, I may be in a very similar situation. They have a solid warranty though O.o
Loose lips sink ships
FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
July 01 2011 04:14 GMT
#11
Why is this in SC2 general?
Dr.DoCToR
Profile Joined March 2011
17 Posts
July 01 2011 04:14 GMT
#12
Dude, you were thinking of getting the Blackwidow? Assuming you want to use your mechanical keyboard for sc2, you should go with steel series. The Blackwidow uses blue switches, which make the really loud clicky sound but are bad because it's difficult to double tap. Steel series uses black switches.

Here read this: http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
July 01 2011 04:14 GMT
#13
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.

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alokin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada269 Posts
July 01 2011 04:16 GMT
#14
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.

It's not about how it "sounds". The feel of typing on a mechanical keyboard is superb to a regular membrane.
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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:18:26
July 01 2011 04:17 GMT
#15
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


Some people just like supporting companies that support what they like (esports).

Edit: And what comes to mechanical keyboards. Just try it. Feels so good!
Sakarabu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:20:28
July 01 2011 04:18 GMT
#16
Had a Razer Blackwidow, it broke after roughly three weeks of use. Would never recommend them to someone. Right now i'm using a Steel Series 7G and it's been great.

For typing I loved the feel of the Blue switches on the Razer Blackwidow, it really did make typing feel amazing. As for gaming, I did feel that I made alot more mis-types, pressing down the wrong keys during a heated moment since they required so little force to push down.

As for the black switches on the 7G, I found I hardly ever mistype with them, which is really the selling point for black switches. However for typing it really doesn't feel too good, the keys feel really hard to push down at first but once you get used to them it's perfectly fine. The feel is more akin to a regular plastic membrane keyboard than any other mechanical keyboard i've tried, although it is definitely more responsive and has it's own unique feel to it.

So as you can probably tell I voted Steelseries, the keybaord itself feels robust and like it wouldn't break easily, compared to the Blackwidow which really pissed me off by breaking after a month. And since it's for gaming the steelseries is really the better option in my opinion.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 01 2011 04:18 GMT
#17
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.

I definitely agree ^^
noobcakes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
July 01 2011 04:18 GMT
#18
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


100 quid for a keyboard? more like 60 bucks.
Professional BattleCraft Player
mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
July 01 2011 04:18 GMT
#19
On July 01 2011 13:14 FreezerJumps wrote:
Why is this in SC2 general?

Well, Because I would like Starcraft 2 players opinions, And Im using it to play Starcraft. Sorry
Youtube.com/mafiameower
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
July 01 2011 04:19 GMT
#20
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


They don't just sound good, they feel good as well.

@OP

It's honestly up to whether you want the cherry blue switches or the cherry blacks. I highly recommend you test them in store before you buy them since they feel distinctly different. Honestly from my point of view, the Razer(blues) are better for RTS gaming while the Steelseries(blacks) are better for FPS gaming. The only thing I'll warn you about is that the steelseries have different keyboard layouts and some of them are truly convoluted with small backspaces, shortened right shifts etc etc. Make sure you can live with the layout you get.

babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:23:13
July 01 2011 04:20 GMT
#21
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.

My shoulders, back, and wrists are fucked up and typing on a mechanical keyboard (Razer Blackwidow here) eases the pain considerably. Love the feel of the keys and having to press down only halfway does wonders for my discomfort.

Having said that, I think Filco produces the best. The Blackwidow, though, is the cheapest mechanical keyboard you can buy and comes at a great price, IMHO.
mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
July 01 2011 04:20 GMT
#22
On July 01 2011 13:18 Sakarabu wrote:
Had a Razer Blackwidow, it broke after roughly three weeks of use. Would never recommend them to someone. Right now i'm using a Steel Series 7G and it's been great.

For typing I loved the feel of the Blue switches on the Razer Blackwidow, it really did make typing feel amazing. As for gaming, I did feel that I made alot more mis-types, pressing down the wrong keys during a heated moment.

As for the black switches on the 7G, I found I hardly ever mistype with them, which is really the selling point for black switches. However for typing it really doesn't feel too good, the keys feel really hard to push down at first but once you get used to them it's perfectly fine.

So as you can probably tell I voted Steelseries, the keybaord itself feels robust and like it wouldn't break easily, compared to the Blackwidow which really pissed me off by breaking after a month. And since it's for gaming the steelseries is really the better option in my opinion.



Thank you for a reasoning behind why you have a steel series. It sounds like I want something with black switches and I'm probably going to get a Steelseries!
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FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
July 01 2011 04:20 GMT
#23
On July 01 2011 13:18 mafiameower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:14 FreezerJumps wrote:
Why is this in SC2 general?

Well, Because I would like Starcraft 2 players opinions, And Im using it to play Starcraft. Sorry


You're asking on a starcraft site, so you're likely to get responses from starcraft players regardless. Either way, I don't see how this is thread-worthy
Zurachi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada289 Posts
July 01 2011 04:20 GMT
#24
Apples and Oranges. Though, I personally love my Razer Blackwidow.
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Inside.Out
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada569 Posts
July 01 2011 04:23 GMT
#25
thermaltake has some cool ones with a built in fan to stop your hands from sweating too much
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
July 01 2011 04:23 GMT
#26
On July 01 2011 13:18 noobcakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


100 quid for a keyboard? more like 60 bucks.

Black Widow aka shitty keboard of the month is 130 so yea.
mafiameower
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States61 Posts
July 01 2011 04:26 GMT
#27
On July 01 2011 13:19 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


They don't just sound good, they feel good as well.

@OP

It's honestly up to whether you want the cherry blue switches or the cherry blacks. I highly recommend you test them in store before you buy them since they feel distinctly different. Honestly from my point of view, the Razer(blues) are better for RTS gaming while the Steelseries(blacks) are better for FPS gaming. The only thing I'll warn you about is that the steelseries have different keyboard layouts and some of them are truly convoluted with small backspaces, shortened right shifts etc etc. Make sure you can live with the layout you get.




Ahh very nice to note, I have used keyboards with shortened backspaces, And I can get back into that but, Im going to have to go to my computer store and see if they have the 2 kinds of switches. THanks!
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PotashDrone
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada22 Posts
July 01 2011 04:26 GMT
#28
I like the steelseries 6gv2 a little better than the black widow, mainly because I have no use for a bunch of macro buttons and special function keys. That said, I'd take a Leopold or Filco over either.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 01 2011 04:27 GMT
#29
Steelseries Keyboards are better than razer..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 01 2011 04:27 GMT
#30
On July 01 2011 13:11 MechKing wrote:
I don't understand why people waste money on a keyboard. How is it any different than some $20 one you get from walmart?

I had that same mentality about a year ago. All I can say is that it's all about the user (preference) and how the keyboard is used (purpose). My first mechanical keyboard, a Razer BlackWidow, is worth every penny.
gn1k
Profile Joined July 2010
United States441 Posts
July 01 2011 04:27 GMT
#31
Filco Majestouch with cherry brown keys is the best keyboard.
Creator of Street Empires and APM TD
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
July 01 2011 04:28 GMT
#32
Steelseries only have mechanical black I think. (6g 7g)
Razer has black widow which is mechanical blue.

You will be better off looking at Filco Majestic Touch.
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
July 01 2011 04:29 GMT
#33
To the OP if you can buy a keyboard for under 5 dollars thats god mode.
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
July 01 2011 04:29 GMT
#34
On July 01 2011 13:16 alokin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.

It's not about how it "sounds". The feel of typing on a mechanical keyboard is superb to a regular membrane.


the difference between a rubber dome (I believe that's what it's called?) and a mechanical keyboard is HUGE, once you try a mechanical keyboard you'll probably never ever feel comfortable on a rubber dome keyboard again (I have the Das Keyboard, I had a pretty old G15 before).
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
ValmonUni
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:33:48
July 01 2011 04:31 GMT
#35
I have a Razer BlackWidow and honestly couldn't be happier.

- The blackwidow's blue switches are a symphony of wonderful clicks when i type. The audible click has actually helped me when playing sc2 and when typing since the feedback allows me to both type and play with more confidence as i never have to worry if i hit the key hard enough or accurately. I hear the click and move on; i didn't realize that it was such a big deal till i used the blackwidow.
- Additionally the added macro keys on the side are nice to launch applications or just to replace or clone other keys. I use M1, M2, and M3 to clone 0, 9, and 8 which i use to hotkey my nexus(s or i).
- Futher the blue light up razer logo is kind of cool, but not a big feature.

I didn't go with a SteelSeries because i didn't want the black switches (but that's a personal decision). I wanted an audible click and/or tacticle feedback which black switches lack. Additionally i wasn't a big fan of the SteelSeries enter key which is different from the BlackWidow.

For all the reasons already listed i chose the blackwidow over a steelseries mechanical keyboard. not to mention the price on the blackwidow was more attractive at the time of purchase as well.

best of luck on your purchase mate

Edit: I'm talking about the Blackwidow regular here, not the Ultimate (Ultimate in my opinion is not worth the extra money. Regular Blackwidow is perfect)
"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
July 01 2011 04:32 GMT
#36
On July 01 2011 13:27 gn1k wrote:
Filco Majestouch with cherry brown keys is the best keyboard.



Bingo.
Even better if you get it tenkeyless.. :D.

Don't trust gamer crap, the cost is derived from branding, led's and advertising.
TypeMoon
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada30 Posts
July 01 2011 04:38 GMT
#37
Razer, because they sponsor gsl
whaty0uwant
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand346 Posts
July 01 2011 04:41 GMT
#38
Lol people can't be serious voting razer?
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
July 01 2011 04:42 GMT
#39
das keyboard is best
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 01 2011 04:42 GMT
#40
Razer products are great when they aren't broken. They're very hit or miss I find, either you get a good product or you get one that breaks in a few months. They need to get their quality control fixed.
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 04:42:51
July 01 2011 04:42 GMT
#41
Neither of them use cherry browns afaik, so neither of them will see my keyboard money. By far the most important part of a keyboard purchase is your switch preference (and maybe layout, e.g. I like tenkey some people want it without tenkey).
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Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
July 01 2011 04:42 GMT
#42
Black Widow is $70 and many people prefer cherry blue switches over the blacks. I've also heard blue's are better for RTS and black's are better for FPS. Blue's also feel amazing to type on.

The layout of Black Widow is better than Steel Series. Razer doesn't have a short backspace/ right shift key or that big Return key. The F keys are also shifted more to the right, which I like because I use F1-F4 in SC2 for save/jump to location.

Black Widow is the best deal really. Don't get the Ultimate, it's spending $40-50 more just for LED lights and useless USB ports (it's better to plug things into your PC's USB ports rather than have it go through a keyboard).
iinsom
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia339 Posts
July 01 2011 04:46 GMT
#43
I am quite used to my Steelseries 7g now, i dont know what id do without it
RESTRiCT
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada123 Posts
July 01 2011 04:49 GMT
#44
i just got my blackwidow, i love it i would strongly recommend if you don't mind a loud keyboard
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
July 01 2011 04:52 GMT
#45
Steelseries, Das or Filco. Just not Razer because you can't press all the keys and have it work.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
HuggyBear
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia377 Posts
July 01 2011 04:54 GMT
#46
Imo, just check if you like the key layout.

IF you haven't used a mechanical before, I doubt switch preference would matter as you'd just get used to whatever lands on your lap.

I voted for Steelseries though, the Blackwidow doesn't have full N-key rollover.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
July 01 2011 04:54 GMT
#47
Moved to tech support
DoubleRainbow
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada85 Posts
July 01 2011 04:54 GMT
#48
i like the das keyboard. It has a nice simple design, no macro keys or anything like that but it is sturdy and has a nice feel to it.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
July 01 2011 04:55 GMT
#49
On July 01 2011 13:26 mafiameower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:19 Lmui wrote:
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.


They don't just sound good, they feel good as well.

@OP

It's honestly up to whether you want the cherry blue switches or the cherry blacks. I highly recommend you test them in store before you buy them since they feel distinctly different. Honestly from my point of view, the Razer(blues) are better for RTS gaming while the Steelseries(blacks) are better for FPS gaming. The only thing I'll warn you about is that the steelseries have different keyboard layouts and some of them are truly convoluted with small backspaces, shortened right shifts etc etc. Make sure you can live with the layout you get.




Ahh very nice to note, I have used keyboards with shortened backspaces, And I can get back into that but, Im going to have to go to my computer store and see if they have the 2 kinds of switches. THanks!

If you're into mechanical keyboard, I HIGHLY recommend that you read some intro to mechanical keyboards and do some good reading into it.

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=START HERE -- The Geekhack Mechanical Keyboard Guide - Includes Glossary and Links

http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html

There are so many other mechanical keyboards other than just Steelseries and Razer, that you would be doing yourself an injustice if you did not do the proper research to see what's out there.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 01 2011 04:56 GMT
#50
where is the option for neither?


filco for life.


if i had to pick steelseries is a much nicer product but if you really hate blacks go with razer for the blue switch regardless of the inferior production.
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2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
July 01 2011 04:58 GMT
#51
I love my Black Widow... Blue switches feel great, my brother has a filco brown switch, I personally prefer the blue, while he prefers the brown, I tried the steelseries, which I didn't like (black switches and lame big enter key is a deal breaker for me at least)

One BIG complaint I have, mostly from my WoW days... The F keys are really far away compared to most keyboards (between the 2 and 3 key, instead of 1 and 2) so if you use your F keys, keep that in mind

I wouldn't recommend buying the backlit keyboards as they're more of a gimmick than anything else (Are you really looking at your keys midgame anyway? >.>)

The M keys I don't actually use, because I tend to lose my hand position when I use them, but that's because I have my laptop that I use quite heavily too so I never got around getting used to them
CptFlowers
Profile Joined February 2011
United States30 Posts
July 01 2011 04:59 GMT
#52
Razer has terrible quality control, steel series much more reliable in my experience. I also appreciate the plain looks of my steel series 6Gv2 compared to its flashy, but cheaply made counter part.
D:
Sultan
Profile Joined March 2011
United States52 Posts
July 01 2011 05:09 GMT
#53
When I was looking to invest my money into getting a new keyboard, I scoured everywhere, and it was always the same trend: the people that went ahead and bought w/e keyboard (whether it was razor, filco, steelseries, or some other brand) absolutely loved it. I'm guessing their new keyboard was always better than the standard-pc one they used to have, so it was very hard finding an honest bad review and coming to a decision. I ultimately ended up buying the steelseries 6gv2, and I can't see myself using another keyboard. It just feels awesome typing and playing using that thing.

I personally could not imagine using the tiny backspace key of the steelseries 7, and the razor keyboards seem to have wayy too many lights for my taste.

It all comes down to personal taste, OP, so just go with your gut.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
July 01 2011 05:23 GMT
#54
using steelseries 6gv2. have no issues with blacks. no finger fatigue.
after reading jinro's review of razer mechanicals. i'm staying away big time.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 05:31:06
July 01 2011 05:28 GMT
#55
I bought a Steelseries 7G, but I recommend, as others has, that you test all three switches before making up your mind.

There used to be arguments that black cherry were better for FPS, and blues were better for RTS. With browns somewhere in between. I often wonder if I would have been the most happy with browns, which none of the 2 suppliers have in their keyboards. That said I am very happy in my choice nonetheless. By far the best(and only mechanical) I have had with good margin.

Blacks is the most silent.
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agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
July 01 2011 06:02 GMT
#56
Using a 6gv2 right now, now problems at all with the switches. And people complaining about small backspace and shift should just get a 6gv2 rather than a 7g. The blackwidow just looks too cheap for my liking not to mention the gloss seems like it would get dusty pretty fast. Steelseries mechanicals also have a metal plate in em(HEAVIEST KEYBOARD EVER p.p ) so i can be sure it won't snap or move around on my desk.
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
July 01 2011 07:45 GMT
#57
I don't like the 7G keyboard layout, but the 6GV2 is essentially the same keyboard except minus a wrist rest and it has a non-shitty layout.
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Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
July 01 2011 07:50 GMT
#58
I can't vote since i haven't tried Steelseries one, but i have blackwidow and i'm completely satisfied.
It doesn't have CZ layout, but who cares. I remember where all diacritics are.
ZiegFeld
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 08:02:01
July 01 2011 07:59 GMT
#59
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.
You've never felt cherry brown switches at 160 apm for a 40 minute game, Platty .

Quick suggestion for other guys out there, get a Filco tenkeyless. If your buying this expensive of a keyboard, your going to local lan tournaments to compete, and the tenkeyless fits in just a small backpack that you can carry with mouse pad and mouse.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
July 01 2011 08:08 GMT
#60
On July 01 2011 16:59 ZiegFeld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.
You've never felt cherry brown switches at 160 apm for a 40 minute game, Platty .

Quick suggestion for other guys out there, get a Filco tenkeyless. If your buying this expensive of a keyboard, your going to local lan tournaments to compete, and the tenkeyless fits in just a small backpack that you can carry with mouse pad and mouse.


to be fair the keyboard probably gives you like a .1% skill increase...its mainly for comfort, aesthetics and overall enjoying an experience. I've played on laptop keyboards almost all my life and it really hasn't had any effect really.

To the OP, both companies produce keyboards of similar quality that hits a budget price point. It would be wise to make a decision based on the switch you want. SS keyboards are cherry black and linear/non tactile while the razor BW is cherry blue and tactile/audio feedback. You can find extensive reviews online in the form of videos and text.
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Wadeo
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom3 Posts
July 01 2011 10:44 GMT
#61
Filco, Topre and Q-Senn are the top for me.

However, having owned a BlackWidow, they're shite. I'd go for the SS.
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RacerX
Profile Joined December 2010
United States168 Posts
July 01 2011 11:10 GMT
#62
Out of those two companies steelseries is definately better for starcraft 2, black switches are much better for double tapping. Black switches take about a week or two to really get used to though. Also, if you have not owned a mechanical keyboard before they are also louder than the average membrane keyboard. From Steelseries I would highly recommend the 6gv2 which I am using right now, you have the option to use usb or ps/2 with the 6gv2 im pretty sure the 7g is only ps/2 and costs quite a bit more for a few usb ports. There are a million threads out there like this though and would be good if you searched first in the future.
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ZiegFeld
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
July 01 2011 16:57 GMT
#63
On July 01 2011 17:08 Bambipwnsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 16:59 ZiegFeld wrote:
On July 01 2011 13:14 toadyy wrote:
Both horrendously overrated, I never understand why people get conned by this shit spending like 100 quid on a keyboard because it sounds nice to press.
You've never felt cherry brown switches at 160 apm for a 40 minute game, Platty .

Quick suggestion for other guys out there, get a Filco tenkeyless. If your buying this expensive of a keyboard, your going to local lan tournaments to compete, and the tenkeyless fits in just a small backpack that you can carry with mouse pad and mouse.


to be fair the keyboard probably gives you like a .1% skill increase...its mainly for comfort, aesthetics and overall enjoying an experience. I've played on laptop keyboards almost all my life and it really hasn't had any effect really.

To the OP, both companies produce keyboards of similar quality that hits a budget price point. It would be wise to make a decision based on the switch you want. SS keyboards are cherry black and linear/non tactile while the razor BW is cherry blue and tactile/audio feedback. You can find extensive reviews online in the form of videos and text.
Wouldn't say it's 0.1%. My fingers get tired as hell clicking the same rate as I do on a membrane keyboard compared to my Filco. It's almost as good of a buy as my mx518 for FPS.
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
July 01 2011 17:57 GMT
#64
I use a Filco Majestouch-2 Tenkeyless with Cherry MX Brown switches and I love it. Recommended for sure.

Do some research on which kind of switches you want and make your decision based on that.
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Coutcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada519 Posts
July 01 2011 18:08 GMT
#65
Filco/Das

And i hate black switch sooo razer between ur two choice
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ShaPeLesS
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria87 Posts
July 01 2011 18:17 GMT
#66
OP, if you are to buy a mechanical keyboard and specifically want it to be from Razer/Steelseries I would recommend buying the Steelseries 6gv2. The layout is what I assume your current keyboard has (unlike the Blackwidow) and the keys are Black Cherry Keys, which are stiffer than the Blues and in my opinion better than the Blues.
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Mtndrew
Profile Joined May 2011
United States174 Posts
July 01 2011 18:18 GMT
#67
Also, if money is an issue, i got a blackwidow for 62 dollars shipped.
the cheapest 6g's i've seen are at least 100$
kanix
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden67 Posts
July 01 2011 18:26 GMT
#68
Well id say Steelseries are more experienced company they have been around for a long long time, im using a razer mouse and keyboard they have been very annoying with buttons not working dubble clicking but they look good. i would go for steelseries 6gv2
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Qwix
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
July 01 2011 18:31 GMT
#69
On July 01 2011 13:10 Son of Gnome wrote:
none Filco is the best hands down

This, without a doubt. Altho' I suppose a Razor or Steelseries keyboard will do for the people with a lesser budget (or willing to spend less on "just a keyboard"). I myself use a Filco Majectouch Tacticle (brown switches).. best keyboard i've ever used, worth the €140 in my opinion. It would be nice company's like Razor and Steelseries also offered their keyboards with different switches.. oh well.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 01 2011 19:00 GMT
#70
Steelseries and Razer are the best (only?) "low-budget mechanical keyboards"
Low budget being relative, of course.
Personally, I can't stand Cherry blues, too loud - I greatly prefer blacks. Haven't ever gotten to try browns, but I'm not sure I really care about the tactile feedback?
Sholoshka
Profile Joined October 2010
United States60 Posts
July 01 2011 19:03 GMT
#71
I bought a Blackwidow Ultimate, took it out of the box, tried to play with it for about 10 minutes, and promptly put it back in the box and returned it.

The clicky sound was a bit much for me and the fact that the release point was above the actuation point was a whole mess. I went with a non-mechanical for the time being, but if I had to get another mechanical it would probably be something from FILCO or something a bit more economical and quieter (not blue switches).
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
July 01 2011 19:04 GMT
#72
The Blackwidow was in my price range and had the features I wanted, so I got that.
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 19:08:33
July 01 2011 19:06 GMT
#73
Cant stand black switches here. Have a filco with browns and a widow. Might pick up a filco with reds one of these days for ~200. Shotoshka, filcos are not economical. You cant really get one sub 200 now adays. Shipping costs... One you go mech you never go back. I love blue switches more than the others. Any other razer keyboard is garbage though, razer made the better choice by not going with blacks.
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Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
July 01 2011 19:06 GMT
#74
steelseries

every, single, razer, keyboard I've had has absolutely blown.
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noezke
Profile Joined September 2010
England514 Posts
July 01 2011 19:09 GMT
#75
Steelseries, about the only thing I would actually recommend steelseries for.
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nVusPip
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom260 Posts
July 01 2011 19:10 GMT
#76
Not sure if this has come up already but the poll should be allocated per type of switch because I think Razer make keyboards with the whole variety of mechanical switches (blue, black, brown NOT red not 100% sure though) while SS only make the cheap rubber dome ones with the only mechanical switches being black on the 6gV2 and 7g. So the people wanting a specific mechanical switch they would go and buy a Razer product due to the variety of switches.

If I am wrong then please just ignore me XD
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 19:19:06
July 01 2011 19:15 GMT
#77
I thought each only had one mech keyboard, SS makes the 6g/7g (which are like the same) with blacks and razer makes it with blues. Razer has a track record of producing really terrible keyboards (lycosa) but because the blackwidow is more or less a cherry keyboard with a razer frame it's quite good. I personally cannot stand black switches so SS keyboard is out the question, having gone from a Model M, I like blues. My biggest problem with blacks is that it's noticeably harder to press and you cannot touch type. I would like to get my hands on red switches one day however. I believe the easier to press keys would overcome the linearity.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 19:22:34
July 01 2011 19:19 GMT
#78
Why does this discussion even exist. Just feeding the flame war between fan boys.

It's Cherry Blue versus Cherry Blacks, so how is this even a discussion.

If you want to talk about layouts, Razer has the more standard keyboard layout except for the Function keys. Steelseries has a mis-sized Enter or Backspace or Forward Slash key.

The build quality on both is absolutely the same. If you don't like gloss, don't get the Razer. Steelseries has the standard plastic cover, but just as solid. Both have a fair share of failure.


As always, use GOOGLE or even the SEARCH FUNCTION on this website. This question has been asked many, many times already. And there are keyboard recommendation threads you can use as well.

Everyone's opinion on a forum or website will be completely biased towards what their own preferences are, and what keyboard they use. If you bought a mechanical keyboard from either, why would you need to trade unless you hate mechanicals in general. They both work, so once you've bought either, you're done and don't need to test others out.

Again, you cannot compare Cherry Blues versus Blacks due to personal bias.
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ValmonUni
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
July 02 2011 01:41 GMT
#79
On July 02 2011 04:19 Blisse wrote:
Why does this discussion even exist. Just feeding the flame war between fan boys.

It's Cherry Blue versus Cherry Blacks, so how is this even a discussion.

If you want to talk about layouts, Razer has the more standard keyboard layout except for the Function keys. Steelseries has a mis-sized Enter or Backspace or Forward Slash key.

The build quality on both is absolutely the same. If you don't like gloss, don't get the Razer. Steelseries has the standard plastic cover, but just as solid. Both have a fair share of failure.


As always, use GOOGLE or even the SEARCH FUNCTION on this website. This question has been asked many, many times already. And there are keyboard recommendation threads you can use as well.

Everyone's opinion on a forum or website will be completely biased towards what their own preferences are, and what keyboard they use. If you bought a mechanical keyboard from either, why would you need to trade unless you hate mechanicals in general. They both work, so once you've bought either, you're done and don't need to test others out.

Again, you cannot compare Cherry Blues versus Blacks due to personal bias.


*Quoted for Truth*

He's right... I've got a BlackWidow and the build quality on it is very good. It's heavy as heck, very durable and i've had it for at least 6mo with zero issues so far. It's a pleasure. I'm sure SteelSeries is equally great.

What should go into the decision is keyboard layout, and switches desired. Those are probably the two most important things.
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zala2023
Profile Joined April 2011
United States228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 02:02:17
July 02 2011 02:01 GMT
#80
The blackwidow has more functions and looks cool, but its build quality is somewhat dubious compared to the ss 7g/6g.
Filco, ducky, das, all make better keyboards, but they dont look as cool as the razer ones and as a result the general public aren't willing to buy them.

For those who brag about how good their blackwidows are, go try out a filco and you will feel the difference. Not that blackwidows are bad (they are wonderful compared to the convitional rubber dome keyboards), but its just that you get what you pay for.

edit: spelling
relax bro we got this
OriginalBeast
Profile Joined September 2010
United States709 Posts
July 02 2011 02:29 GMT
#81
Just get a das dude, seriously...
More gg, more skill.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 02 2011 02:37 GMT
#82
Guess most is already summed up, but I got the Steelseries 7g and I'm very happy with it. No flashy ligths, which is good imo
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Daviran
Profile Joined March 2011
United States21 Posts
July 02 2011 03:08 GMT
#83
Filco(Brown) forever!
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Profile Joined March 2011
149 Posts
July 02 2011 09:09 GMT
#84
There is no company with best products. Most companies offer many different products. Some of them suck, some of them rock.
You have to decide individually by testing or letting others test and read their reviews. The more professional and comprehensive, the better.

Besides the data and facts there are also personal preferences.
For example the MX switches. Some people prefer blacks, others browns and other blues. There are even more switches.

Keyboard with USB or without? With LED or without? With audio I/O or without? etc
There is no better. There are just features, people want or don't want.

Let me give you my requirements: MX blacks, LED, non-US layout (maybe USB & audio but not really important)

Neither Razer, nor Steelseries has such a keyboard.
There will be the Mionix Zibal 60 soon. I'll wait for some minor reviews but most likely get that thing as it fits my requirements.

tldr: There is no best. You have to decide individually for yourself (with every product) and not just go for a companies name.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
July 02 2011 09:19 GMT
#85
I use a steelseries 6gv2 and its the best keyboard I've ever owned, it feels great to type and play on. Also EGIdra and EGincontrol both us 6gv2 keyboards as well, so thats kinda neat.
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 02 2011 09:20 GMT
#86
Neither. Unicomp IBM Model Ms is the only way to go. =)
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 02 2011 09:49 GMT
#87
you should add zowie to the poll, their celeritas is absolutely outstanding. And as a small bonus it doesn't need special drivers.
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
July 02 2011 10:33 GMT
#88
SteelSeries all the way.

I use products from both companies and they are both really good however. SteelSeries build quality is second to none, the 7G keyboard which I have is literally one of my most prized possessions.

The 7G is a beast, it weighs a tonne and looks the part, typing on it will ruin every other keyboard you will ever type on though. Fair warning, its awesome to type on and has made me want to type faster and faster just to hear the wonderful clicks of the keys hitting home to produce that chatterful melody!

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KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:06:23
July 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#89
since you're using it to play SC, go for a Razer keyboard, purely due to the switches
Cherry Blues are more tactile than Blacks, and are better for RTS gaming. Blacks make for stiffer keyboards (require much more force to press), and are better for FPS
If you want to stray away from both these brands (recommended), go for Das, Filcos, or Zowies.
Das have 2 versions (click and silent). Clicks use Blues, and silents use Browns. Browns require even less pressure to press down than Blues, but don't sound. Das also has the Ultimate S, which is extremely badass (it doesn't have letters printed on it).
Filcos also use Browns, and I believe Zowies vary (the ones I saw used Browns).
IMO, get the Das (Ultimate or not obv depends on your fimiliarity with a keyboard), they are extremely solid, and I have yet to find any problems with my current one (S).
Good Luck!
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 18:08:23
July 02 2011 18:08 GMT
#90
Steelseries for one reason: doesn't have flashy lights that make the keyboard cost twice as much and make it look like a kids toy.
ValmonUni
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
July 02 2011 19:30 GMT
#91
On July 03 2011 03:08 stormchaser wrote:
Steelseries for one reason: doesn't have flashy lights that make the keyboard cost twice as much and make it look like a kids toy.


Steelseries 6Gv2 - $99.99
Razer BlackWidow BlackWidow - $79.99

Steelseries 7G - $149.99
Razer BlackWidow Ultimate - $129.99
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MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
July 02 2011 20:22 GMT
#92
On July 03 2011 03:03 KoTakUEurO wrote:Blacks make for stiffer keyboards (require much more force to press)

Where do you have this information from? Personal experience? And how do you define "much more force"? Twice as much? Three times as much force...

Statements like these make my blood boil... I was about to order a SteelSeries 7G, but seeing this comment, without any form of source/proof makes for a much thougher desition, seeing as I already own a Das Silent Ultimate which you are directly comparing it too.

Needless to say, I'm non the wiser after reading your post, even if you tried to convey some sort of point, without backing it up in any way, shape or form...
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stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 20:28:35
July 02 2011 20:27 GMT
#93
[QUOTE]On July 03 2011 04:30 ValmonUni wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 03 2011 03:08 stormchaser wrote:
Steelseries for one reason: doesn't have flashy lights that make the keyboard cost twice as much and make it look like a kids toy.[/QUOTE]

Steelseries Zboard - $69.99
Razer BlackWidow BlackWidow - $79.99

As for the second set of keyboards, those are the most expensive of each, so can't really count those since keyboards out there cost 300 bucks if you get ergonomical ones. Hell I'm sure you could find a keyboard more expensive than some people's cars.

As well as that razer still has flashy lights. Don't try to tell me they don't because you won't be able to say much in that argument.
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Profile Joined March 2011
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 20:53:35
July 02 2011 20:43 GMT
#94
On July 03 2011 05:27 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 04:30 ValmonUni wrote:
On July 03 2011 03:08 stormchaser wrote:
Steelseries for one reason: doesn't have flashy lights that make the keyboard cost twice as much and make it look like a kids toy.



Steelseries 6Gv2 - $99.99
Razer BlackWidow BlackWidow - $79.99

Steelseries 7G - $149.99
Razer BlackWidow Ultimate - $129.99



Steelseries Zboard - $69.99
Razer BlackWidow BlackWidow - $79.99

Isn't the Zboard (http://shop.steelseries.com/index.php/keyboards/steelseries-zboard.html) this fancy kids toy where you can exchange the whole keyboard theme with your favourite game layout?
Besides this embodiment of kids toy, this keyboard seems to have rubber domes and no mechanical switches. So nothing to compare there.

edit: Oh, and the LED are a pretty nice feature. It's just light. No toy. I have light at my bed, light at my ceiling and light at my keyboard keys (don't have a Razer keyboard). Depending on where I need light, I just use it there. I don't switch on the ceiling light if it's dark and I use the PC. I just use the light from the keyboard etc. No toy. Just light.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
July 02 2011 20:47 GMT
#95
I prefer razer personally, but I dont think they're necessarily better. Different tastes for everybody, personally I like the feel of their products, and they're support is pretty useful. That doesn't mean they're better though, just good for me.
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ValmonUni
Profile Joined June 2011
United States13 Posts
July 02 2011 20:48 GMT
#96
On July 03 2011 05:27 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 03:08 stormchaser wrote:
Steelseries for one reason: doesn't have flashy lights that make the keyboard cost twice as much and make it look like a kids toy.


Steelseries Zboard - $69.99
Razer BlackWidow BlackWidow - $79.99

As for the second set of keyboards, those are the most expensive of each, so can't really count those since keyboards out there cost 300 bucks if you get ergonomical ones. Hell I'm sure you could find a keyboard more expensive than some people's cars.

As well as that razer still has flashy lights. Don't try to tell me they don't because you won't be able to say much in that argument.


Hey... i feel like you might have taken my post a little person sorry if you did i was just trying to clear up your misinformation.

The ZBoard as far as i know and as far as i could find on the Steelseries website does NOT have mechanical switches so i'm not quite sure why you would make the comparison. Also the BlackWidow (normal) has one "flashy light" which is just their logo underneath the space bar and it can be turned off quite easily.
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Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 20:54:59
July 02 2011 20:50 GMT
#97
On July 03 2011 05:27 stormchaser wrote:
Steelseries Zboard - $69.99
Razer BlackWidow - $79.99

As for the second set of keyboards, those are the most expensive of each, so can't really count those since keyboards out there cost 300 bucks if you get ergonomical ones. Hell I'm sure you could find a keyboard more expensive than some people's cars.

As well as that razer still has flashy lights. Don't try to tell me they don't because you won't be able to say much in that argument.

The normal BlackWidow doesnt have any flashy lights, it's only the ultimate version that has lights. Unless you count the light for numlock etc as a flashy light.

Myself I use the Razer Blackwidow (non-ultimate) and I am extremely satisfied, took only a little while to get used to it. Because the layout, angle of keys etc. Was a lot different than my previous keyboard (some logitech junk)
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userstupidname
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 21:10:59
July 02 2011 21:08 GMT
#98
fatality headset for me :D but in all seriousness I would say steelseries
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annYeong(o11)
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada784 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 21:26:02
July 02 2011 21:21 GMT
#99
Poll: What company produces the best mechanical Keyboard?

a) More useless flashing lights than a Japanese episode of Dragonball Z
b) The only thing known to man to have a shittier Build Quality than Razer
c) das.
d) Filco.
e) Certainly not razer or steelseries.

A better question is "Which Company's Product Will Fall Apart Slower?" or "I am Trying to Raise a Table Leg by Approximately 2 Inches, Which Company's Keyboard Should I use For This Task?" or even "I Listen Exclusively To Pretty Lights and Useless Extra Buttons, Which Company's Keyboards Have The Most Tacked on Useless Shit?"

edit: not a fan of Razer since I got absolutely buttfucked by their "Customer Service" which is an odd fucking name for "Spawn of Satan"

As for Steelseries, between me and 4 friends we have had: 2 keyboards, 3 headsets, 2 Xai Mice, and even a fucking mousepad fall apart on us. Customer Service was merely retarded as opposed to actively trying to destroy my dreams.
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QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 07:08:41
July 03 2011 07:04 GMT
#100
Yea poll results are bs since people just vote for what they use and not whats better.
Doesnt take long to find all the problems Blackwidow has on the net, sticky keys, keybreaking, stupid macro keys, shifted F keys.

Only problem with SS 6gv2 or the 7G is that you may not be used to the black switch however atleast theres no quality issues.

I only use my black widow for the audio extension got it sitting behind the screen..
to be soon replaced with a cable
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Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 03 2011 07:11 GMT
#101
No Zowie Celeritas love? Cherry MX Brown switches are optimal for gaming.
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