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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 04 2014 16:57 GMT
#9921
Nope, it's true, but Vsync can be disabled by running games in fullscreen of course.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 17:09:20
September 04 2014 17:04 GMT
#9922
That really sucks for desktop usage with mouse and dragging windows etc laggy, and it's better to play some games in windowed mode when you need to see corners of the screen without using peripheral vision. That's done by some LoL players for minimap, but i'd go so far as to say a majority of high level osu players use a window covering only half of their screen to play. If you can't do that because of an operating system.. it's not good.

Vsync is bad and i still don't understand why it's default on Windows - but forcing it on with no way to disable just means that a large group of people will NEVER use that OS, because it can't perform basic functions (dragging windows, moving mouse) properly
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 19:07:12
September 04 2014 19:06 GMT
#9923
I don't want to use a desktop with tearing, so it's fine for me.

The curious thing is that the old stuff is still there. I've seen it switch to the old aero basic theme for a split second more than once when something crashed in the background. Or you can see it for a bit when the graphics driver gets updated? I don't remember.

I'm guessing they don't want to support it in the future and that's why it's not exposed to the user. If it's like that, the old style of rendering windows might never come back so this will be the future.

They could perhaps make it so the new compositing can ignore vsync if the user wishes for that? That might be good enough. I can experiment with that on the Linux installation I currently use. When moving windows and vsync is off, the windows pretty much stick to the mouse pointer despite desktop effects/compositing being enabled. On first look it seems just as snappy as with compositing disabled.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 02:16:29
September 05 2014 02:08 GMT
#9924
On September 05 2014 00:21 Cyro wrote:
Windows 7 allows you to disable vsync on desktop and when playing games in anything but exclusive fullscreen mode - by switching the theme type away from aero themes, which is a feature that i can't live without. AFAIK, it doesn't exist in win8/8.1, so you're forced to have laggier input.

Double check that though, i'm not certain


http://superuser.com/questions/445971/disable-aero-on-windows-8

"Aero" doesn't really exist on Windows 8 so this is a bit confusing.


edit: Found this post from here which is what I originally thought

edit2: i guess it's the DWM and not aero?

To clear this up, Aero is technically the transparent glass theme used in Windows Vista and 7. A modified version was used in Windows 8 up until the Release Preview.

Aero only can be displayed while the Desktop Window Manager (DWM) is running, as it is the compositor that allows these effects to function properly (layers windows in 3D space rather than painting them pixel by pixel). In Windows Vista and 7, DWM required GPU acceleration (supporting DirectX 9.0c and WDDM driver) to function. To paint the UI without that, the older GDI methods of painting windows by the rectangles and the pixels was needed. Disabling DWM service also disabled the Aero theme (putting it into basic). Using the basic theme or classic theme disabled DWM, as it wasn't being used to display those themes. High contrast themes used classic theme, and setting everything to 'best performance' disabled both DWM and themes (causing the classic theme to be used). GDI was the fallback, which used the CPU to paint the windows the old fashioned way. Because they aren't layered and composited, a window covering another one caused the window beneath it to require a redraw of everything when the offending window was moved away. This is why you see so many weird artifacts when you drag windows around real fast in XP or Vista/7 basic/classic theme.

In Windows 8, DWM was upgraded so that it could render the desktop in a composited 3D space even without WDDM graphics drivers or GPU acceleration present. They achieve this by putting all this workload on the CPU instead, aka 'software rendering'. GDI to draw the desktop window elements has been removed, save for drawing the individual buttons and controls inside a window perhaps (for compatibility). In the RTM, DWM functions to make window borders transparent and blur transparencies was removed. As well, they modified the Aero theme to be extremely flat and basic looking, with no gradients or detail whatsoever. However, the technology that powered Aero (DWM) is still running, this time, as an always-on feature you cannot disable. DWM being always-on was necessary for the smooth animated experience of the 'start screen' and 'metro apps' being able to overlay the desktop without worrying about redrawing obscured windows, as well as taking advantage of GPU acceleration (when available) to keep the experience smooth. Disabling DWM or trying to compromise the theme would give you a giant black screen or an otherwise unusable Windows 8 desktop. Obviously, this means they removed the ability to disable DWM.



edit: also found a custom solution to the vsync stuff http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4806914#post4806914
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 05 2014 02:28 GMT
#9925
That seems complicated and like it breaks stuff.

Users shouldn't have to worry about basic core features like being able to disable vsync without using exclusive fullscreen mode - or ability to use a mouse over ~125hz without using exclusive fullscreen mode on such an OS. It's beyond silly.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-05 04:00:31
September 05 2014 04:00 GMT
#9926
That mouse problem is fixed in current 8.1.

About if "Aero" is gone or what, it's still the same thing the way I see it! It's just the looks that are changed. It has no glass effect. The theme file folder used in the Windows 8 theme is still named "aero" and the theme's file name is "aero.msstyles".

Under the hood, Windows still does everything like in Vista's Aero like mentioned in that quote about DWM. It will not allow programs to draw directly onto the desktop, instead give them a buffer to draw into that will then be used for desktop compositing through the graphics card. Programs have no way to circumvent that (and Vsync) except for using fullscreen.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 05 2014 12:33 GMT
#9927
On the bright side, Windows 9 should be next year :>
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
September 05 2014 15:41 GMT
#9928
Did chrome change the font yesterday? Looks horrible.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 05 2014 16:01 GMT
#9929
The new shapes might grow on you over time, but you can disable it if you want. Type "chrome://flags" in the location bar and then search for an entry that mentions "DirectWrite".

I also heard there's something currently broken for people that don't use 100% DPI scaling on the desktop, instead something like 125% or 150% etc. If it's like that for you, you should try it again after the next update as web-fonts that looked broken on old Windows look nice with this new stuff, and web-fonts seem to get pretty popular and might be the future.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 05 2014 23:12 GMT
#9930
Can't say I noticed anything different at work today and I've got a display there running dpi scaling. Not sure what percent, though.
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mythuat24h.net
Profile Joined September 2014
Vietnam1 Post
September 06 2014 02:42 GMT
#9931
I have found goeij good idea, thanks

User was banned for this post.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 07:19:31
September 06 2014 07:18 GMT
#9932
For Chrome, you can do this to return things to normal (if you have higher DPI scaling):

Add this to the shortcut in "Target:" section [ "\chrome.exe" /high-dp-support=1 /force-device-scale-factor=1 ]

(Ignore the brackets.)

Basically add " /high-dp-support=1 /force-device-scale-factor=1" (without quotes "and" with the first space included before /high-dp-support=1) after "\chrome.exe".

I was wondering what was up with Chrome after the latest update and that returned things to normal for me.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also not sure if this is needed but I also have "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings" checked under "compatibility" too (for Chrome, I just use the built it zoom settings instead of making it rely on DPI settings).
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/741495/biggest-explorer-annoyance-automatic-sorting-windows-7-server-2008-r2-and-vista#details Allow Disable Auto Arrange in Windows 7+
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 07 2014 14:49 GMT
#9933
Damnit, got the same problem as this guy, jinxed myself by trying to help him maybe: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/466270-think-my-ssd-died-what-options-do-i-have

It's a Crucial M500 SSD that I got last December. It won't boot up, it doesn't show up in BIOS, it doesn't show in Disk Management (see this screenshot). Basically it doesn't even show up as online. I checked all the SATA cables and all the power cables using my optical drive, everything is fine. So the SSD is clearly the problem.

One thing to note is that there is a place where the SSD shows up. When I go to Computer management > Device Manager, the "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers" act as if something is plugged when the SSD is physically plugged in. e.g. with just my HDD plugged in (which I reformatted and installed Windows on to be able to use the computer), I only have ATA Channel 4 that shows up. When the SSD is physically plugged in, I also get ATA Channel 0. So I'm guessing the ATA controllers are physically detecting something?

Is the SSD dead? Any thoughts?

[image loading]

maru lover forever
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 07 2014 17:00 GMT
#9934
FWIW this is what mine looks like. 3 SSD + 4 HDD:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 07 2014 19:25 GMT
#9935
Yeah my own SSD just isn't showing up in the "disk drives" section.

Not sure what's up, well, the M500 is under guarantee anyway afaik, only got it last december.
maru lover forever
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 07 2014 20:19 GMT
#9936
Are you sure it's firmly plugged in?

I once had an SSD mounted to the back of my mobo tray that had the SATA cable knocked loose when I banged into the case, causing windows to stop recognizing it.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 07 2014 20:25 GMT
#9937
Yeah I'm sure it's plugged in right, I tested all the SATA cables, all the sata power cables. No go, regardless of what I did. Can't even find it in BIOS or anything. It's really weird since it was working perfectly fine this morning. I turned it off and later came back to see an SSD which was physically there but not digitally.
maru lover forever
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
September 08 2014 00:48 GMT
#9938
So I have a Nvidia Shield Tablet and I love how they advertise that it can game stream from your PC. The only problem is that I don't know HOW to do it and everywhere I've looked, they only tell you that it can be done. How do I get started?
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 08 2014 01:36 GMT
#9939
Doesn't seem to be great documentation for the tablet, but it's basically the same. You just access gamestream through geforce experience

http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/guides/nvidia-shield-user-guide#3
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
BastiAKA
Profile Joined March 2014
Germany1 Post
September 08 2014 13:59 GMT
#9940
Hi do you know how you get the german flag shown when your stream is live ?

Thanks in adventage
BastiAKA
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