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Ideal26
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
United States185 Posts
May 27 2014 01:19 GMT
#9321
So every now and then my computer kind of freezes, but not totally... The desktop wallpaper will go blank, the clock will freeze, and if I try opening something that isn't already open it usually won't work. Anything that's already up works just fine. Restarting the computer always fixes it, but I'd like to know what's going on rather than just ignore it and restart each time. It's done this probably 5-6 times in the last 4 months.
Anyone else have experience with this? I have windows 8.1 or whatever the latest version is, by the way.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 27 2014 01:39 GMT
#9322
On May 27 2014 10:19 Ideal26 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
So every now and then my computer kind of freezes, but not totally... The desktop wallpaper will go blank, the clock will freeze, and if I try opening something that isn't already open it usually won't work. Anything that's already up works just fine. Restarting the computer always fixes it, but I'd like to know what's going on rather than just ignore it and restart each time. It's done this probably 5-6 times in the last 4 months.
Anyone else have experience with this? I have windows 8.1 or whatever the latest version is, by the way.


This is usually fixed by terminating dwm.exe and/or explorer.exe (so that they restart), or logging on/off. One of many common problems with Windows, your best option of finding the root cause is to do a clean boot / fresh installation of Windows and slowly figure out what driver or software is causing it.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 27 2014 23:05 GMT
#9323
I read this somewhere:

and this guy talk about Haswell but dont have any sense talk about intel tenchnology ivy brige-e is much better in many ways.


Does IB-E actually have any advantages over Haswell? How have I never heard of this? I would never recommend someone to get an i5 on IB-E over an i5 on Haswell, I've never SEEN someone recommend IB-E over Haswell.

So.. ?
maru lover forever
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 27 2014 23:25 GMT
#9324
Yeah, and it hasn't changed for a while.

There aren't anything but Core i7s on SB-E and IB-E. Minimum you get is four cores with hyperthreading.

Advantages over Haswell include CPU models with six cores as opposed to topping out at quad cores, 40 rather than 16 PCIe lanes, and quad-channel rather than dual-channel memory.

However, you're stuck on an older CPU architecture, and the chipset is kinda dated at this time so no native USB3, limited native SATA3, etc.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 27 2014 23:29 GMT
#9325
On May 28 2014 08:25 Myrmidon wrote:
Yeah, and it hasn't changed for a while.

There aren't anything but Core i7s on SB-E and IB-E. Minimum you get is four cores with hyperthreading.

Advantages over Haswell include CPU models with six cores as opposed to topping out at quad cores, 40 rather than 16 PCIe lanes, and quad-channel rather than dual-channel memory.

However, you're stuck on an older CPU architecture, and the chipset is kinda dated at this time so no native USB3, limited native SATA3, etc.


Ah right I remember now. Yeah of course of course.

Yes so it's stupid to bring up IB-E when we're discussing processors of the i3/i5 price range.

Also, Haswell-E says they're going to do 8 cores, apparently it's very new (I just googled this lawl):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7874/haswelle-8-cores-x99-ddr4

maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
May 27 2014 23:36 GMT
#9326
Yea, rumor is lowest price point = 6 core with limited pci-e lanes (good for 2 gpu's), mid price point = 6 core with 40 lanes, max price point = 8 core with 40 lanes. Not much confirmed info, though. The platform as a whole will be expensive because of mobo and ddr4 costs
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 28 2014 04:16 GMT
#9327
While we're on the topic of pci lanes: I posted this question in the past but I'm not sure it was ever answered / anyone knew the answer.

On a mobo with:
PCI Express 3.0 x16 2 (x16/x8 or x8/x8)
PCI Express 2.0 x16 1 (x4)

Would you expect a third card (highend) on this system to have any positive effect (could you even do triple card with this)?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
May 28 2014 04:26 GMT
#9328
The third pci-e slot would be from the PCH. SLI is not certified (not sure if even supported) for that, and for crossfire i'd expect a little performance hit at the very least, if no other issues. In general, if 2x "high end value" (780/290) gpu's wasn't enough for me, i'd probably be looking at the enthusiast platform that can run x16/x8/x8/x8 instead of x8/x8
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 07:50:45
May 28 2014 07:49 GMT
#9329
By that way, what are lanes? 40 lanes? Limited lanes? I'm guessing it has something to do with PCIE expansion cards. So are we saying that IB-E and Haswell-E systems are faster at running a Crossfire set up or something? Or rather, they're faster at running quad-fire set ups?
maru lover forever
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 15:16:02
May 28 2014 15:14 GMT
#9330
PCI Express is a high-speed serial interface for connecting two devices together. The standard defines different configurations in terms of the number of lanes to suit different needs. Each lane is a pathway that allows for communications from point A to point B and vice versa (physically it's four PCB traces per lane). Some devices that don't need incredible transfer rates only use one lane. Others use two, four, eight, sixteen, or thirty-two. Graphics cards use sixteen. Because data is transferred in tandem across all available lanes, total transfer rate is that of a single lane multiplied by the number of lanes used.

So if you have more stuff that needs to talk to the CPU at a really fast rate, you want more PCIe lanes available to the system.

Even though a graphics card has sixteen lanes wired up, you might not be able to allocate sixteen lanes from the CPU to go interface with it. Hence cards can be run at x8 or x4 or other configurations, which means lower transfer rates of data between the two. This can have some impact on performance, but it really depends on the kind of operations that are taking place. For games, having the faster CPU might be more important than having more PCIe lanes beyond a certain point, even for 3x GPU setups.

(there are some details skipped above about PCIe lanes from the PCH and potential PCIe bridge chips and so on. also, there is a distinction between the physical slot and the number of "electrical" lanes supported, which just means how many lanes can actually be used for communications)
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 28 2014 15:18 GMT
#9331
Oh ok that makes sense to me. Thanks for the reply. I get why someone would be into intel E processors now
maru lover forever
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
May 28 2014 17:12 GMT
#9332
what are the best cheap wifi range extenders? my wifi range is awful here
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
May 28 2014 17:38 GMT
#9333
Yea, z87 is wired up so that you can only get decent pci-e connections to CPU on the first two PCI-E slots in x8/x8 (i think the cpu's have 20 lanes of 3.0)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 28 2014 17:52 GMT
#9334
Only sixteen.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 28 2014 19:24 GMT
#9335
On May 29 2014 02:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
what are the best cheap wifi range extenders? my wifi range is awful here

No idea, but do you have an old unused router somewhere? It can be configured to act as a range extender.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 28 2014 20:45 GMT
#9336
On May 29 2014 02:38 Cyro wrote:
Yea, z87 is wired up so that you can only get decent pci-e connections to CPU on the first two PCI-E slots in x8/x8 (i think the cpu's have 20 lanes of 3.0)

It's 16 lanes of 3.0 from the CPU, but the split can be x8/x4/x4 in addition to x8/x8 and x16. Some of these kinds of splits are being used to supply lanes for the new storage interfaces on Z97.

Often 4 lanes of 2.0 from the PCH (southbridge, the Z87 chipset itself) are used for a slot. Midrange boards tend to have x8/x8 and then x4 from the PCH for the last fullsize (x16 physical) PCIe slot.

Note that x4 usage from the PCH could be pulling away lanes from other slots like the x1 slots.


On May 29 2014 02:12 QuanticHawk wrote:
what are the best cheap wifi range extenders? my wifi range is awful here

It's frequently not worth bothering for residential and office setups because having a relay in the middle sucks. For A->B communications (or vice versa) where you're sticking an extender C in the middle, A->C and C->B links both should be over twice as fast and reliable as A->B directly or it's just going to be worse.

Changing positioning and/or antennas is usually better.

What's the setup even look like? What's the device you're trying to reach?

But yeah, grabbing an old router for this duty is often what you want. All home networking gear kind of blows though, so good luck finding something reliable.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
May 28 2014 21:53 GMT
#9337
On May 29 2014 05:45 Myrmidon wrote:
But yeah, grabbing an old router for this duty is often what you want. All home networking gear kind of blows though, so good luck finding something reliable.


My WRT-54G sneers at you from the closet.
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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 22:46:57
May 28 2014 22:39 GMT
#9338
Hi I read the computer build sticky but it had nothing to do with laptops. I'm sure the hardware advice is applicable to laptops, but most of them come prebuilt and, as far as I know, it's a bit difficult to exchange parts within a laptop.

I need to buy a laptop computer for school. I have $1500 to spend (it's a scholarship from the school so there's no point in spending less), the only condition is that the machine needs to be able to run windows. I don't plan on doing anything like overclocking or running graphically intense games. I just need the computer to last four years and be reliable. Of course, I'd like an SSD if at all possible. I'm studying Math and CS so a strong CPU may come in handy.

Any recommendations? Sorry if there's a thread on this that I missed. If one exists, please direct me to it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 28 2014 22:46 GMT
#9339
Macbook Pro Retina.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 28 2014 23:09 GMT
#9340
On May 29 2014 06:53 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:45 Myrmidon wrote:
But yeah, grabbing an old router for this duty is often what you want. All home networking gear kind of blows though, so good luck finding something reliable.


My WRT-54G sneers at you from the closet.

Pssh, I have a dead one somewhere and a WRT-54GL somewhere else. There's just varying degrees of bad!



As for a laptop for $1500, I don't know about high-DPI laptops like MBP Retina. I mean, if you're using Windows, the display scaling is better these days but still sucks.

The thinner, newer Thinkpads aren't really like the old ones, but I'd also check out the T440s and maybe T540p (which come in many configuration options).

Actually, what's the usage model going to be like? How much do weight, battery life, keyboard/trackpad quality, and so on matter? I'm assuming build quality is most important. What size are you looking for?
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