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Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
May 17 2014 06:57 GMT
#9261
On May 16 2014 19:23 Magreidis wrote:
Will I be able to livestream with these kind of specifications?
CPU: i3-4130 3.4 x2
GPU: Intel HD 4400 (Later on I will add better!)
RAM: 4 GB
Resolution: 1024x768
Quality: 360p/480p
Bandwidth: 1000~2000

I still don't have this pc, but I want to buy it and use it to livestream

Yo, I forgot to mention, that I want to livestream StarCraft, is it going to be possible for me to stream it? I want the game fps to be 60 and stream fps to be 24~30?
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
May 17 2014 07:17 GMT
#9262
I was thinking more along the lines of Driver Sweeper from Guru3d.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 10:49:00
May 17 2014 10:07 GMT
#9263
On May 17 2014 15:57 Magreidis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 19:23 Magreidis wrote:
Will I be able to livestream with these kind of specifications?
CPU: i3-4130 3.4 x2
GPU: Intel HD 4400 (Later on I will add better!)
RAM: 4 GB
Resolution: 1024x768
Quality: 360p/480p
Bandwidth: 1000~2000

I still don't have this pc, but I want to buy it and use it to livestream

Yo, I forgot to mention, that I want to livestream StarCraft, is it going to be possible for me to stream it? I want the game fps to be 60 and stream fps to be 24~30?


FPS always drops when dealing with lots of units, even on the best CPU's. I have a video showing ridiculous FPS for a 2v2 on faster x4 at the start of the game - but later on i built pretty much entirely zergling/baneling so with a significantly stronger cpu it's still around 30fps minimum - without physics - without touching supply caps for that replay



^fps bottom right

Most people are used to far worse FPS in basically every situation where it would be particularly noticed, though - i'm not sure if extra cache etc on i5 makes it outperform i3 at the same clock speed, but a Haswell CPU @~3.2-3.7ghz or overclocked is best you can get for SC2 and once you already have two cores, adding a third does not improve performance there. They're useful for streaming though, because if you have ~1.5 cores loaded and a dual core.. you'll only have half a core left over, instead of 2.5 on a quad. For low budget streaming of games, it can be a good idea to use NVENC (encoder on nvidia gpu) as well as (some games but not others) or instead of CPU encoding as it's affordable on a ~750/750ti
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Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
May 17 2014 21:47 GMT
#9264
On May 17 2014 19:07 Cyro wrote:

FPS always drops when dealing with lots of units, even on the best CPU's. I have a video showing ridiculous FPS for a 2v2 on faster x4 at the start of the game - but later on i built pretty much entirely zergling/baneling so with a significantly stronger cpu it's still around 30fps minimum - without physics - without touching supply caps for that replay

Most people are used to far worse FPS in basically every situation where it would be particularly noticed, though - i'm not sure if extra cache etc on i5 makes it outperform i3 at the same clock speed, but a Haswell CPU @~3.2-3.7ghz or overclocked is best you can get for SC2 and once you already have two cores, adding a third does not improve performance there. They're useful for streaming though, because if you have ~1.5 cores loaded and a dual core.. you'll only have half a core left over, instead of 2.5 on a quad. For low budget streaming of games, it can be a good idea to use NVENC (encoder on nvidia gpu) as well as (some games but not others) or instead of CPU encoding as it's affordable on a ~750/750ti

So you are saying that I might not be able to livestream with these specifications? Well, at the moment I play StarCraft with 5~43 FPS :D Anyways, are you saying that it's not worth it to buy this build for livestreaming? I don't want 720p and high quality stuff in the game, I would play on really low and optimized graphics, I would optimize Windows 7 as much as possible to get the best fps I can get. Another question, is it safe to overclock with the fans that comes with the prebuild, or should I get my own fans?
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 17 2014 22:40 GMT
#9265
On May 18 2014 06:47 Magreidis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 19:07 Cyro wrote:

FPS always drops when dealing with lots of units, even on the best CPU's. I have a video showing ridiculous FPS for a 2v2 on faster x4 at the start of the game - but later on i built pretty much entirely zergling/baneling so with a significantly stronger cpu it's still around 30fps minimum - without physics - without touching supply caps for that replay

Most people are used to far worse FPS in basically every situation where it would be particularly noticed, though - i'm not sure if extra cache etc on i5 makes it outperform i3 at the same clock speed, but a Haswell CPU @~3.2-3.7ghz or overclocked is best you can get for SC2 and once you already have two cores, adding a third does not improve performance there. They're useful for streaming though, because if you have ~1.5 cores loaded and a dual core.. you'll only have half a core left over, instead of 2.5 on a quad. For low budget streaming of games, it can be a good idea to use NVENC (encoder on nvidia gpu) as well as (some games but not others) or instead of CPU encoding as it's affordable on a ~750/750ti

So you are saying that I might not be able to livestream with these specifications? Well, at the moment I play StarCraft with 5~43 FPS :D Anyways, are you saying that it's not worth it to buy this build for livestreaming? I don't want 720p and high quality stuff in the game, I would play on really low and optimized graphics, I would optimize Windows 7 as much as possible to get the best fps I can get. Another question, is it safe to overclock with the fans that comes with the prebuild, or should I get my own fans?

You don't need to worry about overclocking, because you can't overclock that PC. Everything is locked down on Intel except for their most expensive i5 and i7 CPUs (also needs special motherboard).

That "NVENC" thing built into the current NVIDIA graphics cards can do the streaming without using the CPU and without the game FPS dropping (much). Its downside is that it needs fast Internet for a good quality picture.
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Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
May 18 2014 06:15 GMT
#9266
Do all Nvidia cards has NVENC codec? Or there is a point where it starts to have it? Oh what video card would you reccomend if I have only 79$ left?
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
May 18 2014 06:21 GMT
#9267
I think it's the 600 series on up? Maybe 500s.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 06:26:04
May 18 2014 06:25 GMT
#9268
Only Kepler and newer, so 600 and up.

Nvidia sub $100 sucks, best bet is to try and get a GTX 750 or a GTX 650 Ti.
Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 07:14:01
May 18 2014 07:10 GMT
#9269
With my budget, I think I am going to buy GT 640 from ZOTAC, is it a good option? EDIT1: Oh, my PSU is 400W! EDIT2: After reading about GTX 750, I think I should just save up money and buy it, it's just really powerful! :D
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DnCL
Profile Joined May 2013
86 Posts
May 18 2014 09:47 GMT
#9270
I would like to play Dynasty Warriors 8 (Xtreme complete edition) with a friend, online. The game does not support online, but has a split screen multiplayer.

Do you have hints of how I could make this work ? Do you know a program that could input my friend's keystrokes like they where done on mine, for example ? (you could play splitscreen, 2 persons on 1 keyboard if you manage the space)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
May 18 2014 10:06 GMT
#9271
That might be doable, but the split-screen multiplayer seems slightly confusing already - with the added latency of your friend viewing the game online and having to wait to give commands and then wait longer to see them, it looks like it wouldn't be much fun - to me, at least
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 10:19:47
May 18 2014 10:08 GMT
#9272
On May 18 2014 15:15 Magreidis wrote:
Do all Nvidia cards has NVENC codec? Or there is a point where it starts to have it? Oh what video card would you reccomend if I have only 79$ left?


skyR + Craton + Magreidis - IIRC it's the gtx650 and up, but the 650 only has like half as many cores as the 650ti, so i recommended 650ti/750. I'm not even 1000% sure on the 750 support, so double check it

With a Haswell i3 and option to use NVENC it's not too much of a worry to stream.. but i would still be looking around to see if i could work something out to have i5 in a similar price range, just to have quad core. A Haswell i3 or AMD quad core is effective enough for most stuff, though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
May 18 2014 16:44 GMT
#9273
On May 18 2014 19:08 Cyro wrote:
skyR + Craton + Magreidis - IIRC it's the gtx650 and up, but the 650 only has like half as many cores as the 650ti, so i recommended 650ti/750. I'm not even 1000% sure on the 750 support, so double check it

With a Haswell i3 and option to use NVENC it's not too much of a worry to stream.. but i would still be looking around to see if i could work something out to have i5 in a similar price range, just to have quad core. A Haswell i3 or AMD quad core is effective enough for most stuff, though
I am taking i3-4130, because it's low voltage, I don't want to pay a lot for electricity, that's the biggest problem for me to not to chose i5, i would love to chose it, but I couldn't afford electricity. Anyways so if I would get video card and use NVENC codec, I would be able to livestream 360p/480p ?
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 17:22:44
May 18 2014 17:18 GMT
#9274
Yea - your power usage is really low, though - like you can be sub-100w gaming some of the time* with a 750/750ti and 4670. - like 1.5 lightbubs (i think people use 65w bulbs?)

*depends on game, if it's 100% gpu load then it's often not maxing all of your cpu cores, same in reverse, some games use 100% on one cpu core, like 50% overall use on CPU, then don't need the whole GPU to keep up with that

In comparison, an overclocked 4770k and a pair of 780ti's could use ~800w in Crysis 3. It's hardly a lot of power difference (like 20-30w maybe) between i3-i5 @ stock at full load, so it seems weird to be a major influence in purchasing decision
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
May 18 2014 19:23 GMT
#9275
On May 18 2014 18:47 DnCL wrote:
I would like to play Dynasty Warriors 8 (Xtreme complete edition) with a friend, online. The game does not support online, but has a split screen multiplayer.

Do you have hints of how I could make this work ? Do you know a program that could input my friend's keystrokes like they where done on mine, for example ? (you could play splitscreen, 2 persons on 1 keyboard if you manage the space)

Streaming sites like Twitch have around a 10 second delay normally. You really can't use it effectively for multiplayer like that.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
May 18 2014 20:20 GMT
#9276
On May 19 2014 04:23 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 18:47 DnCL wrote:
I would like to play Dynasty Warriors 8 (Xtreme complete edition) with a friend, online. The game does not support online, but has a split screen multiplayer.

Do you have hints of how I could make this work ? Do you know a program that could input my friend's keystrokes like they where done on mine, for example ? (you could play splitscreen, 2 persons on 1 keyboard if you manage the space)

Streaming sites like Twitch have around a 10 second delay normally. You really can't use it effectively for multiplayer like that.


It's actually bigger for Twitch, i think it was over 20 seconds for me (used to be ~5-10) and there's no other big site that can run well without those delays. There are other ways to screen share, but getting a good experience for the person away from the streaming PC sounds quite difficult
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 21:24:22
May 18 2014 21:19 GMT
#9277
I need a little help looking for a laptop. Looking to spend about $500 max. I want something that I can use for work stuff (basically office, indesign, a little of ps and illustraitor), media and some light gaming (mostly stuff like simcity 4, tf2, cs, minecraft, civ5... nothing new or particularly crazy).

I really don't know what I am looking for so I was hoping someone can't point me in the right direction? My only requirement would be that the screen is at least 15 inches, and that it is going to be strong enough to not drag if i am playing music and have chrome and word open or something like that. I assume I probably need 6gb of ram? Also, if possible, I am trying to get it through best buy since I can do financing through them.

Basically I have just been googling gaming/media laptops under $500. Looking at some of these here specifically https://www.laptopninja.org/finding-the-best-gaming-laptops-under-500-dollars/
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Lyzon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom440 Posts
May 18 2014 21:57 GMT
#9278
I want to buy a used r9 290 which has been used for litecoin mining for a few months. What benchmarks / tests can I get the owner to run in front of me to show that the card is fine, before I purchase?
Magreidis
Profile Joined May 2013
Lithuania146 Posts
May 19 2014 10:37 GMT
#9279
Hawk come back to StarCraft! TT.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 15:45:57
May 19 2014 15:44 GMT
#9280
Some day I shall make my glorious return.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314150

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834313718

Pretty much narrowing it down between these two. Any input, or comparable options in the same price range? I'd probably just get an extenal dvd drive if I got the acer, and some more memory
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