Would you be able to give an example of a huge overclock and huge voltages? (something like 4.3 ghz is huge to me, am i right in understanding that reaching to 5 ghz is pretty difficult?
3rd party coolers basically allow you to overclock period. Stock coolers are garbage this generation. Any attempt to overclock (by any significant amount) on a stock heatsink is inviting disaster later on.
shader cores * core clock is a pretty good indicator if no benchmarks are available, though you can only compare to other products by either nvidia or amd that way
Shader Cores are what make bitcoin mining possible ☜(ﾟヮﾟ☜) And also OpenCL is better than CUDA for mining.
On January 11 2012 05:03 acrylicjoker wrote: My dell laptop according to coretemp is running at 55 degrees idle and it goes up to around 85 when gaming. How much should I be worried about this?
It went up to 90 when playing swtor and watching a stream at the same time. This is with a cooling dock.
Be worried. You will have major problems in a little bit if it keeps going like that. Cool it off better by maintaining the insides. Either bring it to a repair shop and have them do it, or risk it yourself by opening the laptop, dusting it, and perhaps reapplying thermal solution to the CPU.
On January 11 2012 05:03 acrylicjoker wrote: My dell laptop according to coretemp is running at 55 degrees idle and it goes up to around 85 when gaming. How much should I be worried about this?
It went up to 90 when playing swtor and watching a stream at the same time. This is with a cooling dock.
Be worried. You will have major problems in a little bit if it keeps going like that. Cool it off better by maintaining the insides. Either bring it to a repair shop and have them do it, or risk it yourself by opening the laptop, dusting it, and perhaps reapplying thermal solution to the CPU.
Cheers. I'll try and look for a decent computer repair shop near by. Opening a laptop looks awfully complicated and I don't think I can trust myself with it.
On January 11 2012 05:03 acrylicjoker wrote: My dell laptop according to coretemp is running at 55 degrees idle and it goes up to around 85 when gaming. How much should I be worried about this?
It went up to 90 when playing swtor and watching a stream at the same time. This is with a cooling dock.
Be worried. You will have major problems in a little bit if it keeps going like that. Cool it off better by maintaining the insides. Either bring it to a repair shop and have them do it, or risk it yourself by opening the laptop, dusting it, and perhaps reapplying thermal solution to the CPU.
Cheers. I'll try and look for a decent computer repair shop near by. Opening a laptop looks awfully complicated and I don't think I can trust myself with it.
It's really not that bad. I opened up my dell laptop by taking out 5 screws. You just need access to the area which has the fan. Pop off the cover, blow it out with canned air (hold the fan so it doesn't spin) and clean out the dust. The first time I did it, my laptop dropped 10+ C. It takes maybe 15 minutes tops and only costs less than $5 for the air.
Q: I have a 2600k @ 4.5GHz and a HD 5770 @ 850MHz + 1200MHz memory clock. Everyone says my 5770 should play at max settings @ 1680 x 1050, which it does for me, and that SC2 is CPU intensive, so I was wondering what the bottleneck in my system is when it comes to SC2. I get 45+ FPS maxed in 1v1 and typically 2v2, but in custom games and 3v3/4v4 with large armies on screen it sometimes drops to 20~ish. Is it my 5770 causing this or is it still my CPU that limits this? Perhaps both equally?
On January 11 2012 10:30 Grobyc wrote: Q: I have a 2600k @ 4.5GHz and a HD 5770 @ 850MHz + 1200MHz memory clock. Everyone says my 5770 should play at max settings @ 1680 x 1050, which it does for me, and that SC2 is CPU intensive, so I was wondering what the bottleneck in my system is when it comes to SC2. I get 45+ FPS maxed in 1v1 and typically 2v2, but in custom games and 3v3/4v4 with large armies on screen it sometimes drops to 20~ish. Is it my 5770 causing this or is it still my CPU that limits this? Perhaps both equally?
This is fairly normal as long as your 1v1 experience is with large armies. I dont see anything wrong here.
5770 is good enough to not be a huge block in SC2. Although in other games the 5770 is a tad long in the teeth at least compared to an i7-2600k.
Especially when you are streaming. I assume thats what you got the i7 for in the first place though. No one buys an i7 just to play games with.
Just for kicks though, what 3rd party cooler are you using. And what are your temperatures like?
Yeah I got it for SC2 + HD streaming. I don't play many other games either, so I'm not sure if it's worth it to upgrade my GPU anytime soon. Maybe I'll wait till the HD 7XXX prices go down and then scope them out. I really only play SC2 consistently, with some single player games on the side like Skyrim, Deus Ex, etc. I'd love to play D3 in as high settings as possible when it comes out, so if my GPU is going to limit me I'm going to look at upgrading when I have the extra money.
I've got a CM Hyper 212+. My idle temps are 22~25, and when playing SC2 they range from 41~47. I don't remember how much they go up if any while streaming, but I'd imagine it still stays around there since FMLE will use my other cores. GPU temps are ~60ish under load and in the 40s while idle.
On January 11 2012 16:45 Grobyc wrote: Yeah I got it for SC2 + HD streaming. I don't play many other games either, so I'm not sure if it's worth it to upgrade my GPU anytime soon. Maybe I'll wait till the HD 7XXX prices go down and then scope them out. I really only play SC2 consistently, with some single player games on the side like Skyrim, Deus Ex, etc. I'd love to play D3 in as high settings as possible when it comes out, so if my GPU is going to limit me I'm going to look at upgrading when I have the extra money.
I've got a CM Hyper 212+. My idle temps are 22~25, and when playing SC2 they range from 41~47. I don't remember how much they go up if any while streaming, but I'd imagine it still stays around there since FMLE will use my other cores. GPU temps are ~60ish under load and in the 40s while idle.
Yeah everything is fine I would say. When the action gets incredibly complex on screen (Broodlords, creep, zerglings, tons of lasers, etc etc) I drop to around 45 as well with an i5-2500k which is actually better than an i7 so you are super ok.
On January 11 2012 16:45 Grobyc wrote: Yeah I got it for SC2 + HD streaming. I don't play many other games either, so I'm not sure if it's worth it to upgrade my GPU anytime soon. Maybe I'll wait till the HD 7XXX prices go down and then scope them out. I really only play SC2 consistently, with some single player games on the side like Skyrim, Deus Ex, etc. I'd love to play D3 in as high settings as possible when it comes out, so if my GPU is going to limit me I'm going to look at upgrading when I have the extra money.
I've got a CM Hyper 212+. My idle temps are 22~25, and when playing SC2 they range from 41~47. I don't remember how much they go up if any while streaming, but I'd imagine it still stays around there since FMLE will use my other cores. GPU temps are ~60ish under load and in the 40s while idle.
Yeah everything is fine I would say. When the action gets incredibly complex on screen (Broodlords, creep, zerglings, tons of lasers, etc etc) I drop to around 45 as well with an i5-2500k which is actually better than an i7 so you are super ok.
On January 11 2012 16:45 Grobyc wrote: Yeah I got it for SC2 + HD streaming. I don't play many other games either, so I'm not sure if it's worth it to upgrade my GPU anytime soon. Maybe I'll wait till the HD 7XXX prices go down and then scope them out. I really only play SC2 consistently, with some single player games on the side like Skyrim, Deus Ex, etc. I'd love to play D3 in as high settings as possible when it comes out, so if my GPU is going to limit me I'm going to look at upgrading when I have the extra money.
I've got a CM Hyper 212+. My idle temps are 22~25, and when playing SC2 they range from 41~47. I don't remember how much they go up if any while streaming, but I'd imagine it still stays around there since FMLE will use my other cores. GPU temps are ~60ish under load and in the 40s while idle.
Yeah everything is fine I would say. When the action gets incredibly complex on screen (Broodlords, creep, zerglings, tons of lasers, etc etc) I drop to around 45 as well with an i5-2500k which is actually better than an i7 so you are super ok.
i5 holds a minor advantage in some games, minor disadvantage in others, equal performance in the rest. Thats at stock values, i5 takes to higher overclocks better I believe because of the lack of hyperthread functionality.
As always the only real reason to get an i7-2600k is when you want to stream or perform a lot of video editing and the like.
I thought everybody thought that was testing inconsistency? Or do you really believe those results?
I mean, the only explanation is that the hyperthreading results in cache thrashing with background processes (but they've got two extra cores to run on, honestly) or otherwise increases power consumption to the point that the Turbo Boost is lower, such that the i7-2600k is handicapped? And somehow that's going to overcome 100 MHz and 2MB more L3 cache by a significant margin?
edit: OC difference is not a convincing argument IMHO because you could turn off hyperthreading on the i7-2600k if you wanted and if that's really going to be the limiting factor, which it's probably not at these kinds of power draws. And the i7s will be binned better than the i5s anyway, since they're from the same chip design.
Anand had an explanation for this phenomenon awhile back. Let me go and try to dig it up.
EDIT: You'd think i would be able to dig it up.
Well I can't find it but i will look harder later in the day. I dunno it had something to do with the way the two are binned and the way turboboost responds. You and i both know that it isnt as simple as "binned or not or better binned"
For now I will recant that i5 is better than i7 but I will come back to it at some point. And just to be clear for others reading, no matter what the differences are very slight, better or not better. For gaming i5 2500k is literally right next to i7-2600k.
Also those are three data points but those are also 3 different clocks, sometimes not even comparing the same clock when OC. This is no longer a simple question simple answer by the way. Everyone else can avert there eyes.
If anything, being better binned on average should mean less leakage current so lower power consumption, allowing Turbo Boost to go higher. Anyway, I was talking about overclocks there.
Yes those data points are different clocks (except the top at 4.7 GHz)...but the AT bench is also at 3.3 GHz vs. 3.4 GHz.
Why's the G840 so far ahead of the G620? Why does the G840 beat the i3-2100 while the i3-530 beats the G6950? Why is the i5-2500k at 3.3 GHz so far ahead of the i5-2400 at 3.1 GHz? Why does the i7-3960X beat the i7-3820k by so much when their max turbo is both 3.9 GHz (surely that's not all because of 15 MB L3 vs. 10 MB L3)? Why the relatively big gap between the Phenom II X2 565 and 560?
Grobyc: some graphics settings affect the CPU more than the GPU. If you turn just those down (rather than simply changing profiles from ultra, etc., you might get a performance increase without sacrificing too many pretties.
Basically though, SC2 with everything set to max can make the best available modern processors (read: your oc'd 2600k) cry late game 4v4.
Adding more cores wouldn't help, so the Sandy Bridge-E platform would probably show roughly the same results.
P.S. Regarding the i5 vs i7 thing: I can't remember where, but I remember seeing a Shogun 2: Total War benchmark with a similar tic, a small benefit to the i5-2500k over the i7-2600k. I've always been somewhat suspicious regarding 'binning' actually being a common practice (guessing not), so I assumed it was variance (not so much in testing but more in quality of sample received for each chip) or hyperthreading getting in the way somehow. I would guess that hyperthreading architecturally DOES tax the processor somewhat, or else the extra cache on the i7 should show more than esstentially tied with the i5 in most game benchmarks, but I'm not an engineer and my opinions are little more than guesses based on scanty information. Interestingly, Shogun 2: Total War CAN use more than 4 cores but apparently not hyperthreading, as the benchmark showed the i7-2600k in third place, nearly tied with i5-2500k but behind the i7-3930k or i7-3960k by 10ish frames.
Is it normal for the right click to be disabled while holding down the left click?
this is a problem for me especially playing sc2 because when i box a group of units quickly and right click the right click command doesnt go through and my units just sit there... since i am holding down the left click for like half a second too long.
Is there anyway to fix this? (make the right click undisabled while holding down the left click) My mouse is the razer deathadder and my OS is windows 7. I have already downloaded the drivers for my mouse but it doesnt have an option to fix my problem :/
On January 12 2012 11:27 BobTheLob wrote: A fan has stopped working in my laptop is there an easy way to open it up easily? or should i take it to a shop
that depends entirely on the model of laptop, whether opening it up will void the warranty, whether it even still is in warranty, etc. For most laptops, it's probably pretty difficult:
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