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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 18:49:40
September 07 2012 18:45 GMT
#4141
Check your temperatures for both your CPU and GPU while the frame rates are at their most garbage. Keep it going if you can.

Stream if you have to.
twitch.tv/medrea
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 18:52:50
September 07 2012 18:52 GMT
#4142
On September 08 2012 03:41 Nyxisto wrote:
I have really low fps recently and wonder if anyone has a idea what to do. so here's my spec, i am running starcraft on medium settings.

Intel q6600 running at 4x2,7ghz
4GB DDR-2 Ram 800 on a asus p5q-pro 775
ATI Radeon HD 6870 with 1 GB ram
Realtek Onboard Sound, Creative x-fi extreme gamer Sound card
Windows 7 home premium 64-bit
Drivers are up to date.

When the game starts i have about 80 fps, dropping to 17-30 in big battles, and i think with my hardware i should be able to run the game with much more fps, i can't even stream the game on low because the fps then instantly drops to ~15.

I think this is related to one of the latest patches because i didn't experience any performance problems before.

Would be very nice if someone could help out,
Nyx


I fixed framerate issues in the latest patch by uninstalling starcraft 2, deleting the battle.net and blizzard entertainment folders in programdata and the starcraft II folder in documents (backup your replays) and then reinstalling. After reinstalling, I still had major fps issues so I deleted battle.net and blizzard entertainment folders in programdata again and ran sc2 as an admin. I had to do this multiple times until I was able to play 1 match without any fps problems. It's stupid and I hope 1.5.3 fixes this.

edit: also try unit preloader first before doing all that stuff
mauveforest
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada24 Posts
September 07 2012 19:44 GMT
#4143
I am going to upgrade the ram on my laptop from 4 to 8 gbs. I already have a 4 gb stick in and have another slot open. Do I need to buy matching sticks of ram? If I buy another 4 gb stick does it matter that they aren't the same brand etc?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 08 2012 10:30 GMT
#4144
You don't need matching sticks of RAM. As far as I know, the computer will automatically run both sticks at the slowest stable speed possible.
Artline
Profile Joined September 2011
177 Posts
September 08 2012 10:46 GMT
#4145
If I want to upgrade from 2x2 RAM should I buy 2x4 or go 4x2?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 08 2012 14:26 GMT
#4146
2x 4GB sticks is the better option. Less sticks the better.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 14:35:11
September 08 2012 14:34 GMT
#4147
On September 08 2012 23:26 Womwomwom wrote:
2x 4GB sticks is the better option. Less sticks the better.

To clarify, 2>4>>1>3. 2 or 4 allow dual channel mode, 1 or 3 do not.
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Iranon
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States983 Posts
September 08 2012 15:00 GMT
#4148
I have a 1TB external drive (some sort of WD one), and there's one particular folder in its main directory that cannot be accessed. Everything else on the drive works fine, but if I open the drive in explorer and even single-click on the folder in question, explorer locks up and I get the "drive is not formatted, format now? y/n" dialog box... I haven't tried it on other computers, but does that mean the physical drive platters are getting ready to go? Replacing it will be annoying.
ljd1131
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Australia83 Posts
September 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#4149
I'm currently using a G9x mouse and 9Hd pad, but my mouse hasn't been moving so good lately, so i was wondering, how much time should take place before you usually replace a laser mouse and hard pad?
Halure
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada26 Posts
September 09 2012 02:22 GMT
#4150
Other than the extra ports/expansion slots, what is the difference between a high-end motherboard versus a mid-ranged motherboard? There can't really be a huge performance difference... Are the high-end boards more stable? Are the components of better quality?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
September 09 2012 06:05 GMT
#4151
On September 09 2012 11:22 Halure wrote:
Other than the extra ports/expansion slots, what is the difference between a high-end motherboard versus a mid-ranged motherboard? There can't really be a huge performance difference... Are the high-end boards more stable? Are the components of better quality?

Better voltage regulation (also depends on power supply), more connectivity (ie. thunderbolt), previously mentioned expansion slots/bandwidth differences, better controllers (usb/sata), more phases for overclocking, better bios control and functionality, better NICs, adequate cooling on VRMs for high voltage overclocks, ssd caching onboard on some models, yada yada.

All of that is meaningless to most people though, if you want to do overclocking for a phenom 2/faildozer you need a motherboard with decent phases available, but other than that the cheapest motherboard with the connectivity you need and decent voltage regulation is optimal for consumer-grade use.

For intel, h77/b75 for not overclocking ivy bridge, z77 if you are. Sandy bridge you can use a h61/h67/h77/b75 for not overclocking, and a p67/z68/z77 if you are.

AMD is a case by case basis.
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Halure
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 06:46:21
September 09 2012 06:45 GMT
#4152
On September 09 2012 15:05 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:22 Halure wrote:
Other than the extra ports/expansion slots, what is the difference between a high-end motherboard versus a mid-ranged motherboard? There can't really be a huge performance difference... Are the high-end boards more stable? Are the components of better quality?

Better voltage regulation (also depends on power supply), more connectivity (ie. thunderbolt), previously mentioned expansion slots/bandwidth differences, better controllers (usb/sata), more phases for overclocking, better bios control and functionality, better NICs, adequate cooling on VRMs for high voltage overclocks, ssd caching onboard on some models, yada yada.

All of that is meaningless to most people though, if you want to do overclocking for a phenom 2/faildozer you need a motherboard with decent phases available, but other than that the cheapest motherboard with the connectivity you need and decent voltage regulation is optimal for consumer-grade use.

For intel, h77/b75 for not overclocking ivy bridge, z77 if you are. Sandy bridge you can use a h61/h67/h77/b75 for not overclocking, and a p67/z68/z77 if you are.

AMD is a case by case basis.


With all of those features, it sounds like high-end motherboards offer higher and more stable overclocks, better heat management and better data transferring capabilities. Is the difference really that noticeable? I have a MSI Z77A-G45 running a 3570k overclocked to 4.5GHz, so lets say I got an Asus Maximus V Formula; would I see an improvement in performance thats worth the extra $150?

Also another question: if I put a new motherboard into my system, would I have to reinstall windows and all my drivers? My mobo (the MSI one) kind of died on me. Not sure what killed it though... lol. I think I read somewhere that if I got different model mobo, I would have to reinstall windows, but if I put in the same mobo as before (a working one), then I would be fine.
Amridell
Profile Joined December 2011
188 Posts
September 09 2012 07:02 GMT
#4153
I am trying to unpin Sc2 from my taskbar (Use sc2 gears), and I simply cannot. I right click, nothing happens. Help?
"As to the pool game. You'll notice he played like a faggot."
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 07:50:49
September 09 2012 07:49 GMT
#4154
On September 09 2012 15:45 Halure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:05 Rollin wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:22 Halure wrote:
Other than the extra ports/expansion slots, what is the difference between a high-end motherboard versus a mid-ranged motherboard? There can't really be a huge performance difference... Are the high-end boards more stable? Are the components of better quality?

Better voltage regulation (also depends on power supply), more connectivity (ie. thunderbolt), previously mentioned expansion slots/bandwidth differences, better controllers (usb/sata), more phases for overclocking, better bios control and functionality, better NICs, adequate cooling on VRMs for high voltage overclocks, ssd caching onboard on some models, yada yada.

All of that is meaningless to most people though, if you want to do overclocking for a phenom 2/faildozer you need a motherboard with decent phases available, but other than that the cheapest motherboard with the connectivity you need and decent voltage regulation is optimal for consumer-grade use.

For intel, h77/b75 for not overclocking ivy bridge, z77 if you are. Sandy bridge you can use a h61/h67/h77/b75 for not overclocking, and a p67/z68/z77 if you are.

AMD is a case by case basis.


With all of those features, it sounds like high-end motherboards offer higher and more stable overclocks, better heat management and better data transferring capabilities. Is the difference really that noticeable? I have a MSI Z77A-G45 running a 3570k overclocked to 4.5GHz, so lets say I got an Asus Maximus V Formula; would I see an improvement in performance thats worth the extra $150?

Also another question: if I put a new motherboard into my system, would I have to reinstall windows and all my drivers? My mobo (the MSI one) kind of died on me. Not sure what killed it though... lol. I think I read somewhere that if I got different model mobo, I would have to reinstall windows, but if I put in the same mobo as before (a working one), then I would be fine.


High end motherboards are snake oil for "gamers". If you have to ask, you don't need any of the features those motherboards offer. They are for people seriously pushing their motherboard running more than 2x GPUs.

Edit:
For your second question, yes you would have to reinstall drivers.
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
September 09 2012 08:46 GMT
#4155
On September 09 2012 16:02 Amridell wrote:
I am trying to unpin Sc2 from my taskbar (Use sc2 gears), and I simply cannot. I right click, nothing happens. Help?


shift right click
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 16:54:59
September 09 2012 16:53 GMT
#4156
On September 09 2012 15:45 Halure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:05 Rollin wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:22 Halure wrote:
Other than the extra ports/expansion slots, what is the difference between a high-end motherboard versus a mid-ranged motherboard? There can't really be a huge performance difference... Are the high-end boards more stable? Are the components of better quality?

Better voltage regulation (also depends on power supply), more connectivity (ie. thunderbolt), previously mentioned expansion slots/bandwidth differences, better controllers (usb/sata), more phases for overclocking, better bios control and functionality, better NICs, adequate cooling on VRMs for high voltage overclocks, ssd caching onboard on some models, yada yada.

All of that is meaningless to most people though, if you want to do overclocking for a phenom 2/faildozer you need a motherboard with decent phases available, but other than that the cheapest motherboard with the connectivity you need and decent voltage regulation is optimal for consumer-grade use.

For intel, h77/b75 for not overclocking ivy bridge, z77 if you are. Sandy bridge you can use a h61/h67/h77/b75 for not overclocking, and a p67/z68/z77 if you are.

AMD is a case by case basis.


With all of those features, it sounds like high-end motherboards offer higher and more stable overclocks, better heat management and better data transferring capabilities. Is the difference really that noticeable? I have a MSI Z77A-G45 running a 3570k overclocked to 4.5GHz, so lets say I got an Asus Maximus V Formula; would I see an improvement in performance thats worth the extra $150?

Also another question: if I put a new motherboard into my system, would I have to reinstall windows and all my drivers? My mobo (the MSI one) kind of died on me. Not sure what killed it though... lol. I think I read somewhere that if I got different model mobo, I would have to reinstall windows, but if I put in the same mobo as before (a working one), then I would be fine.

If you've got self esteem issues and feel the need to validate your existence by hitting the multiplier wall with a phase cooled system for the sole purpose of benchmarks, then a really stable motherboard would be beneficial. For a measly 4.5 gHz any ok motherboard will be fine (ie some light editions tend to be missing some useful voltage regulation options, but this is only in the cheapest of the cheap).

Even ridiculous motherboards like the Asus you mentioned will fail sometimes, I'd just get what you had before, it's the easiest option. And to your question, for your situation there would be no difference.

(By the way, I'm not implying you have self esteem issues, they're the kind of people that those minor differences have an impact for though).
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PrinceVegeta
Profile Joined February 2011
United States118 Posts
September 09 2012 18:27 GMT
#4157
Question about SSD. If I only want to install my OS and SC2 onto it, will 64GB drive be enough? What do people install on their SSD other than their OS to increase boot times? Is a 128GB suggested?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 09 2012 18:46 GMT
#4158
Yes, 60gb is enough for Windows 7 and Starcraft II though it probably won't be enough once you ad HotS and LotV. You install anything you use regularly or software that starts during bootup on your SSD.
PrinceVegeta
Profile Joined February 2011
United States118 Posts
September 09 2012 18:58 GMT
#4159
Thanks for the quick response skyR. You're the man!
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 19:34:51
September 09 2012 19:32 GMT
#4160
Putting programs on an SSD simply reduces loading times (all other benefits are minor). Specifically, the length of time it takes to pull information from the hard drive and stick it into RAM becomes shorter. For some games, say, SC2, this doesn't really matter much. (Have to wait for the other guy anyway during the loading screen, it doesn't happen during the game itself.) For other games, like WoW (which loads textures on the fly), it can be a genuine, though small, benefit. Also, some people like putting RPGs with a lot of loading screens on them.

Given SSD prices, I'd recommend looking at 128gb, large enough for any program you use often.
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