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pshych0
274 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:57 Loser777 wrote: How small is this mouse? I thought I had "small hands" but I palm a MX518. The shape/size is almost identical to the Logitech mini. Pics from china... (for the review using google translate go << here >>) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ywMLw.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SAVYZ.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oGWac.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/m3jMW.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NKDdu.jpg) | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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ryan1894
Australia264 Posts
On June 15 2011 03:25 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I tried that but the mouse now was too slow at 1600...I had to raise the sensitivity and windows speed and SC2 speed for it to catch up. Also though, how is accuracy not related to DPI? I don't get your statement there. DPI = dots per inch. More pixels/dots per inch = being able to have more places in a single inch of screen to move. Being able to select more pixels in an inch = more accurate...how is this not wrong? If you can find me a way to get a very accurate and very high speed set-up with 1600 dpi that would be awesome because I really love the shape of this mouse. However in all my tests it's either too slow or not sensitive enough. Obviously you have no idea what accuracy means. Let me refer to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision the accuracy[1] of a measurement system is the degree of closeness of measurements of a quantity to that quantity's actual (true) value. Where the actual value is actual distance travelled on surface x DPI. You are not meant to tweak sensitivity settings. You are not meant to tweak windows mouse settings. Sensitivity settings should ALWAYS be set at halfway. Windows mouse settings should ALWAYS be set at the 6th notch. DPI should be tweaked to compensate. Increasing DPI does not increase accuracy. Depending on your windows sensitivity settings and mouse settings, changing DPI will either reduce accuracy or increase it. 1) Increasing windows mouse settings past the 6th notch will result in skipping each 1/2 a pixel. Thus the 11th notch will result in loss in 2.5 pixels of precision, essentially meaning you won't hit every even pixel. 2) Increasing sensitivity settings will result in the same 3) leaving them at the middle-most setting will result in 1:1 movement, thus adjusting DPI will actually adjust sensitivity, as DPI IS SENSITIVITY. This will result in 100% accuracy times DPI. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On June 15 2011 07:12 ryan1894 wrote: Obviously you have no idea what accuracy means. Let me refer to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision Where the actual value is actual distance travelled on surface x DPI. You are not meant to tweak sensitivity settings. You are not meant to tweak windows mouse settings. Sensitivity settings should ALWAYS be set at halfway. Windows mouse settings should ALWAYS be set at the 6th notch. DPI should be tweaked to compensate. Increasing DPI does not increase accuracy. Depending on your windows sensitivity settings and mouse settings, changing DPI will either reduce accuracy or increase it. 1) Increasing windows mouse settings past the 6th notch will result in skipping each 1/2 a pixel. Thus the 11th notch will result in loss in 2.5 pixels of precision, essentially meaning you won't hit every even pixel. 2) Increasing sensitivity settings will result in the same 3) leaving them at the middle-most setting will result in 1:1 movement, thus adjusting DPI will actually adjust sensitivity, as DPI IS SENSITIVITY. This will result in 100% accuracy times DPI. What about sc2 sensitivity, where should that be Edit: I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi. | ||
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pshych0
274 Posts
On June 15 2011 07:37 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: What about sc2 sensitivity, where should that be Edit: I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi. Leave the windows settings at the 6th notch. In sc2 your setting should not be a multiplier of 5. So not 50 or 55 or 60 or 80...set it to 51, 54 or w/e...read more here. But honestly, if i remember correctly from one of your previous posts on the salmosa, max win sens, max dpi and max sc2 sens...that ALOT. You use really really high sens. Do you move your mouse half an inch to go from one side of the screen to the other? At such a high sensitivity i dont think i can have any sort of accuracy. And not, dpi doesnt help u at all. For accuracy, you need low sens, dpi doesnt really matter as long as the mouse does exactly what it's supposed to do. Counter-strike pros use really low sens hence the huge mouse pads. In BW its higher but still alot lower than what you use. I could look for a vid with Nada but im lazy...you can clearly see he moves hes hand from the wrist left and right pretty much as much as he can. | ||
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UserErrOr413
United States178 Posts
On June 14 2011 05:02 DueleR wrote: Did some digging to figure out what was going on with the US release since it initially said June 1st. Ended up at Zowie's official facebook page, turns out some guy had asked when the mico would be available in the the US, and they replied that they expected it would be available July 1st. So it won't be for another couple of weeks it seems. Thanks! I've been search all over trying to find the mouse and its not released  . | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
Sensor: Nearly flawless with little to no prediction and/or acceleration. Size / Shape: Handles like the Logitech Mini Optical and/or Logitech G3. It's short which allows for vertical movement, however it's so short that you may end up using a finger-tip grip. Widthwise the Mico will be far too narrow for most gamers regardless of their hand size or grip, which, with prolonged use, may lead to Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and/or Ulnar Nerve Entrapment no matter what you or your mama think (btw I have small hands); it does however have flat sides, which allows for a wider grip than similar mice with rounded sides such as the Abyssus or G3. Weight: One of the lightest yet well-balanced mice I've ever used. This has not sacrificed precision as the DPI is capped at 1600 DPI. Texture: It feels like a hybrid between rubberized coating and traditional matte plastic. There's glossy plastic on the sides but my fingers hardly make contact with them. Mouse Feet: Slick and of high quality. Their small size may sacrifice overall smoothness however this is compensated with less friction, allowing for quicker hand movements. Cord: Flexible yet sturdier than the Abysuss' Scroll Wheel: Less tactile scroll then ANY mouse I've ever used; not recommended for FPS, but pleasurable for daily use. Soft middle click. Left & Right Click: What makes the Zowie Mico unique is its buttons' custom-built switches. They feel as they're described by the manufacturer, but unless you've experienced them for yourself you won't know what to expect. That said, if I had to compare the Mico's buttons I'd they're a louder and slightly crisper version of the Logitech G3. They're easy to click and very tactile, however, there's a faint springiness which I don't like because it sometimes feel like the buttons are sticking, especially the right click which is (too) much harder to press. This almost ruins the mouse for me, but I'm hoping this goes away as I break them. Build Quality: It feels like a $10 mouse but it performs like a $50 + mouse, so no worries here. FINAL THOUGHTS: Though far from perfect I prefer using the Zowie Mico for SC2 over most other mice I've used. It's light weight and easy-to-click buttons allow for greater dexterity and less hand fatigue, as you don't have to clench the mouse to apply enough pressure to press them. This can prevent RSI, which is why I got it. I'm sticking with the Mico for now, but will switch back to the G700 or MX518 if the Mico's buttons don't break in and/or its narrow shape causes me discomfort. One last thing: if you're trying to decide between multiple mice I'd suggest using several different ones for separate tasks, that way you don't cause your hand muscle atrophy by holding one mouse in the same position day-in, day-out. Hope this helps! Other mice I've gamed with up until now: Logitech G700 (daily productive mouse): Pros: buttons are easy to claw. short enough for vertical movement. wireless yet performs just as well or better than any wired gaming mice I've ever used cons: slightly heavy. one-day battery life (don't rely on the cord to recharge your battery - buy a separate rechargeable battery kit) Steelseries Ikari (daily ergonomic mouse): pros: accurate. wide and comfortable. can be clawed or finger-tipped with lots of practice. buttons are easiest to click on the market cons: incompatible with most gaming mats. may be too wide for most. Logitech G3: pros: performs well and feels most similar to the Mico cons: rounded sides encourages a far too narrow grip which can cause RSI Logitech G9X: Pros: premium quality, good sensor, two comfortable wide grips. Cons: heavy, causes discomfort around thumb and index finger, middle click beyond stiff, left and right click curve too low in the front and are too stiff in the back Razer Abyssus: Pros: ambidextrous, light, good sensor and buttons Cons: too long and narrow. round sides encourages a much narrower grip which can RSI. glossy plastic attracts dirt and sweat. Steelseries Kinzu: pros: nice texture, well-balanced, feels sturdy cons: acceleration. buttons are too stiff further back Logitech MX518: pros: light. good sensor buttons easy to click in front and back. despite how it looks it's easy to claw with small hands. decent vertical movement. cons: light prediction and/or acceleration (forget which one… but I hardly noticed). Zowie EC2: pros: buttons are much different than the Mico's; easy to click and feel similar but arguably better than Razer's. good sensor. comes in large or small; large is similar to death adder, small is similar to the classic MS Optical. plug and play cons: only 3 buttons, glossy plastic on the black version which accumulate dirt and sweat. | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
On June 17 2011 08:50 a176 wrote: Where did you get the mouse from? E-Bay. Seller says he's in China but it shipped from CA in a few days time. Those mouse should be available in the states around July 1. Btw you guys should discuss the DPI issue on another thread, as that topic has been beaten to death since 1999. This is about the Mico, not a pissing contest about who knows more on DPI. | ||
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UserErrOr413
United States178 Posts
34.90 + 22.00 (shipping) euros to get to Minnesota. No thanks haha. Hopefully it will show up sooner in the states than July 1st. I don't do e-bay. | ||
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
What about sc2 sensitivity, where should that be Edit: I'm assuming 50 but when I put it at 50 at those settings you said, the mouse doesn't move fast enough, even with 3200 dpi.[/QUOTE] 51%-54%... You're insane if you think 3200 DPI @ 50% is too slow, unless of course you're on a 30+ inch monitor. If you're on a 22-24 inch and find 3200 DPI slow I'm assuming you've got the following issues: 1) a bulky mouse 2) worn out mouse feet. consider hyperglidez or corepad skates 3) high friction mouse pad. consider Zowie G-TF Speed (when it's available) or a plastic mat As a result I'm sure you're actually less accurate and/or slower than most 1600 DPI users bc you must constantly stop on a dime at 3200 DPI, which from my experience is far harder than moving your wrist an extra inch in any direction. | ||
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unfo
Germany31 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%. | ||
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ryan1894
Australia264 Posts
On June 17 2011 19:36 unfo wrote: I just received my Mico, but I'm going to insta-return it. Sure the buttons are nice, and the shape feels alright too, but I can't stand mice with prediction. 400 and 800 dpi are fine, but I was going to use it at 1600 exclusively, and at that setting some prediction / weird behaviour is very noticable: http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg Not sure if that would actually affect my gaming performance, but I'm not paying 40€ for a mouse that isn't 100%. Its the closest we've got to 100% atm. Also it looks like you can't draw spirals lol, and also looks like you're not attempting to draw straight lines, but wavey lines...and I think your windows sensitivity is not 6/11 - each jump at 1600 looks like 2-4 pixels apart... | ||
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unfo
Germany31 Posts
On June 17 2011 19:53 ryan1894 wrote: Its the closest we've got to 100% atm. Also it looks like you can't draw spirals lol, and also looks like you're not attempting to draw straight lines, but wavey lines...and I think your windows sensitivity is not 6/11 - each jump at 1600 looks like 2-4 pixels apart... Nah my Abyssus is closer to 100%. I prefer that one. Ofc I attempt to draw wavey lines. The prediction makes them appear straight. Windows sens is 6/11, the 2 pixel jump is the weird behaviour I was talking about. | ||
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ryan1894
Australia264 Posts
On June 17 2011 20:13 unfo wrote: Nah my Abyssus is closer to 100%. I prefer that one. Ofc I attempt to draw wavey lines. The prediction makes them appear straight. Windows sens is 6/11, the 2 pixel jump is the weird behaviour I was talking about. Doesn't the abyssus have higher LoD and also jitter on cloth? all of razer's cords are really thin so they break within like 2 years anyway... also, possibly mousepad? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + not that i actually care about that, ha | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
On June 14 2011 17:58 ryan1894 wrote: That's a little more than 1.5x desktops in an inch. i.e. 2 thirds of an inch for your desktop. I'm pretty sure not many people use that kind of sensitivity. It doesn't have prediction, or has prediction mild enough not to be noticed when he drew the circle/spirals in that image they uploaded. ![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/212931/mico-2.jpg) Not strong prediction perhaps, but it's definitely there. Also just saw this on ESR, looks like 1600 DPI has some weird behaviour going on (at least on this guys). ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hzDSL.jpg) | ||
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