EPTQuestion, I was considering buying a new drive for my laptop. There are some new SATA 3 drives out, but unfortunately, my laptop is not SATA 3 compatible... I know it's backwards compatible, but with that in mind, wouldn't it be slower than its potential, and probably slower than the SATA 2 drives already out? I was looking for a drive that is faster than the vertex 2.
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AcroNymZ
United States5 Posts
Question, I was considering buying a new drive for my laptop. There are some new SATA 3 drives out, but unfortunately, my laptop is not SATA 3 compatible... I know it's backwards compatible, but with that in mind, wouldn't it be slower than its potential, and probably slower than the SATA 2 drives already out? I was looking for a drive that is faster than the vertex 2. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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LonelyMargarita
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On March 21 2011 05:36 LonelyMargarita wrote: The scariest thing I noticed in that study was the 2TB Caviar Black drives, which I was considering building a new raid array with. An almost 10% failure rate is insane! I may go with 4-5 of the 1TB Spinpoints or Blacks instead. It looks like either 2TB drives aren't quite ready yet, or we're reaching the point where failure is going to be inevitable because of the size. A raid 6 array would make me feel a lot safer with my photographs. But look at the failure rate of the 2TB Green, it's quite ok. If you're looking for a storage drive I would always recommend Greens over Blacks anyway, the additional performance of the Blacks is not as good as the lower power consumption and less noise the Green offers in that case. | ||
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:16 clusen wrote: But look at the failure rate of the 2TB Green, it's quite ok. If you're looking for a storage drive I would always recommend Greens over Blacks anyway, the additional performance of the Blacks is not as good as the lower power consumption and less noise the Green offers in that case. As someone who had had to deal with people trying to use Greens inside servers, I can always recommend the exact opposite. God have mercy on your soul if you ever try to use them in RAID (without hacking its firmware to solve the issues, but voiding your warranty in the process). | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Tolwyn
Canada2 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
The main thing that will cause an SSD to fail is when it writes on so many blocks the blocks cannot be written on anymore (memory in SSDs can only be written to a limited number of times). Thing is, when such a failure occurs, the drive still reads 100% fine, you just can't perform writes on it anymore, so there is no lost data, which can be a HUGE benefit for people who use them with valuable data. | ||
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?84227-Dell-and-Laptop-users-with-issues-please-look-in My first SSD drive ran into the well-known "time-warp" aka "groundhog day" problem, where it pretends to save things fine, but when you turn off / on your computer, it'll go back to the original state. My replacement just died within a few days, and can't even be recognized by the BIOS. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?86697-OCZ-Vertex-2-time-warp-issue-again! tl;dr -- don't buy an OCZ SSD drive. If you already have one and are on a laptop, avoid using sleep/hibernate! | ||
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thehitman
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:18 thehitman wrote: Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's. This is why, despite having a rig, that, counting peripherals and display, is worth over $1700, I'm still on spinnies. | ||
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flammie
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Lyzon
United Kingdom440 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:45 Polemarch wrote: Sorry for the bump... but for anyone running on this drive, other OCZ drives, or anything running a Sandforce controller and using a laptop, be very careful not to let your drive go to sleep/hibernate mode, let it run out of power, etc. This is a well-known problem with OCZ drives. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?84227-Dell-and-Laptop-users-with-issues-please-look-in My first SSD drive ran into the well-known "time-warp" aka "groundhog day" problem, where it pretends to save things fine, but when you turn off / on your computer, it'll go back to the original state. My replacement just died within a few days, and can't even be recognized by the BIOS. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?86697-OCZ-Vertex-2-time-warp-issue-again! tl;dr -- don't buy an OCZ SSD drive. If you already have one and are on a laptop, avoid using sleep/hibernate! Yup, exactly what happened to my OCZ. Hibernate... damn thing didnt wake up... i mean i tried CPR ;'( Ahh well, rocking an Intel x-25 now :D lower writes but better reliablilty... win win  | ||
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
So many people here complaining about them but I'm also thinking that it's the most popular due to price and write speed so more drives would break down because of that. Also the title should attract the unlucky ones.. hmm. | ||
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Neighbor
United States119 Posts
On April 02 2011 08:18 thehitman wrote: Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's. Where did you get this statistic from? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Likewise, I'm curious. The only statistic I'm familiar with is this: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/810-6/taux-pannes-composants.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review/3 For those too lazy to click links, these are SSD failure rates per year by brand for according to Hardware.fr: - Intel 0,59% Some HDD stats are also in the link. edit: it should be noted that if you somehow exhaust the number of writes and wear your flash memory out, you can still read from it. SSD failures as above tend to be the controller or other part of the device malfunctioning, not running out of writes (which should practically never happen, even on 25nm flash, unless you're running enterprise-style workloads on consumer-grade MLC flash). | ||
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Colin_BC
Canada1 Post
On March 20 2011 04:18 Lyzon wrote: Hey all, basically my OCZ Vertex 2 SSD has died. It has entered a state called Panic Mode or Engineering Mode. Basically, renders the drive undetectable by the BIOS. Thing is, even though (apparently) OCZ can unlock a paniced drive, if you RMA u will lose all your data and get a fresh drive. Before you put this in blogs, I just wanted to give out a word of warning to all SSD users.... BACK UP YOUR DATA BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. SSDS CAN DIE INSTANTLY WITH NO WARNING AND UR DATA IS GONE * My SSD died after i put my laptop to hibernate. Luckly i keep backups of my most important work but stuff such as databases i forgot to backup and looks like its all lost now. So please mods, leave this in tech support so people can see and backup before its too late, being in my position waiting for an RMA and wondering wtf to do with no data... is not fun On March 20 2011 04:29 spoinka wrote: happened to me aswell after 2 weeks of working flawlessly... one day booted up and it wasnt detected by the bios. sent it in and got a new one  I just saw this after searching google and had to reply with my similar experiences. I bought an OCZ Vertex II 180GB SSD for my laptop. I was thrilled with it for 2 weeks. Then one night I put it through windows shutdown as normal. Next time I go to turn it on, the SSD isn't detected. I tried it in two PC's and still couldn't see it in BIOS or Disk Management. I RMA'd to NCIX without any hassle. After waiting a week for my replacement, I got it and I installed my new replacement SSD into my laptop. After less than 2 weeks, my replacement SSD can no longer be seen by my laptop. I tried the drive in another PC and it was seen in Disk Management, but said that the drive had yet to be initialized. I tried updating the firmware on the drive with OCZ's updater tool and it made the drive completely disappear. It can't be seen by OCZ's tool, BIOS, or Disk Management. That's 2 bad 180G SSD's in a row for me. Makes me concerned about the 2 other OCZ Vertex II 120GB SSD's I have in desktop setups. Last time I put money into an OCZ product. Colin EDIT: NOTE that it was Windows "SHUT-DOWN" that was the final command given to my Toshiba L300 laptop before both my OCZ Vertex II 180GB SSD's died. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:29 Jago wrote: As someone who had had to deal with people trying to use Greens inside servers, I can always recommend the exact opposite. God have mercy on your soul if you ever try to use them in RAID (without hacking its firmware to solve the issues, but voiding your warranty in the process). Larger capacity drives tend to have more failure rates because guys like Hitachi and Seagate cram a stupid number of platters into their drives increasing the possibility of failure astronomically. As far as I know the WD fixed that head parking issue under Linux by releasing a new set of drives (I think the WD#0EARS models don't have this issue). But yeah, server operating systems like Windows Home Server and some small NAS boxes really, really hate the "Advanced Format" that a lot of Green drives use and refuse to form a RAID correctly. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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