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Hey all, basically my OCZ Vertex 2 SSD has died. It has entered a state called Panic Mode or Engineering Mode. Basically, renders the drive undetectable by the BIOS. Thing is, even though (apparently) OCZ can unlock a paniced drive, if you RMA u will lose all your data and get a fresh drive.
Before you put this in blogs, I just wanted to give out a word of warning to all SSD users....
BACK UP YOUR DATA BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. SSDS CAN DIE INSTANTLY WITH NO WARNING AND UR DATA IS GONE
* My SSD died after i put my laptop to hibernate. Luckyly i keep backups of my most important work but stuff such as databases i forgot to backup and looks like its all lost now.
So please mods, leave this in tech support so people can see and backup before its too late, being in my position waiting for an RMA and wondering wtf to do with no data... is not fun
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happened to me aswell after 2 weeks of working flawlessly...
one day booted up and it wasnt detected by the bios. sent it in and got a new one 
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Wow same problem, OCZ Vertex 2. Looks like OCZ has some work to do.
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It's OCZ. Even their rams are not even close to being ok
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Crikey... I feel your pain. You pay so much (comparatively) to get the cutting edge and all of teh sudden it goes kaput.
If you had a SSD die can you tell us how for how long you've used the drive?
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On March 20 2011 04:52 MOOG wrote:
Crikey... I feel your pain. You pay so much (comparatively) to get the cutting edge and all of teh sudden it goes kaput.
If you had a SSD die can you tell us how for how long you've used the drive?
Im not even an early adopter... i only got it less then a month ago :'(
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Don't stop believing.
Mines still alive 
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On March 20 2011 05:03 reyk wrote:Don't stop believing. Mines still alive
lucky :D i never stopped beliving.. just telling ppl to backup before its too late :D
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yeah and if you really, REALLY needed the data you could probably swap the platters into new drive and recover the data. i don't think there's a way to do this with SSDs.
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oh i thought they were pretty good for being budget ssds, i know a lot of people with ocz vertex 2 without any problems. I think it sold a lot more than most ssds during the last 6 months because of the superior price and write speed.
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=O!!!
you're all scaring me, i have the same SSD (no problems.... YET!?!!?!)
well im hoping it doesnt happen to me ... lol not at least for another 2 years, because i'll probably get something new by then.
lets just hope i have 2 years of FUN FUN FUN FUN, friday
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I went with the cheaper Kingston model. Yay!
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I have a OCZ Vertex 2 @@...
Any recommendations for a program that automatically backups everything to my secondary HDD? I has lots of room so might as well :|
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On March 20 2011 05:33 Yiruru wrote:
I have a OCZ Vertex 2 @@...
Any recommendations for a program that automatically backups everything to my secondary HDD? I has lots of room so might as well :|
i think windows comes with a scheduled backup feature if you're really that concerned. ideally though, important information should be stored on a separate harddrive in the first place.
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Wow is this a testament to the reliability of all SSD drives? I am going to build a new PC soon and was thinking about taking the SSD plunge.
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On March 20 2011 05:56 schaefer wrote:
Wow is this a testament to the reliability of all SSD drives? I am going to build a new PC soon and was thinking about taking the SSD plunge.
Its hard to say with real accuracy as the technology is still pretty young. If you are able, i would suggest having a 80-120 gig SSD to house your OS, starcraft, and other vital programs. Then have a traditional HDD for the bulk of your stuff.
You can always get a traditional HDD for cheap and every so often copy and past your SSD data onto the it to back it up in a lazy manner.
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On March 20 2011 05:56 schaefer wrote:
Wow is this a testament to the reliability of all SSD drives? I am going to build a new PC soon and was thinking about taking the SSD plunge.
lets try to remember that normal hdds aren't exactly failsafe either. While I do not know the ratio of SSD failures vs normal disc hdds, I do not imagine it being that risky buying the SSD.
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I would not recommend ever buying OCZ. They just pulled some really fishy shit even besides this crashing. Apparently the Vertex 2 drives, the ones that are listed as the "best" were switched from a 34nm architecture to a 25nm architecture. OCZ did NOT create a different model number for the different unit and package/advertise them as the 34nm. The reason that is bad is because the 25nm models have a halved life expectancy as well as a noticeable decrease in speed and storage because apparently you lose like another 8gb's of space with the new architecture.
Oh and the only way to tell the two drives apart is to open it up, which voids the warranty.
Long story short, buy Mushkin or Gskill SSD's. They have bad ass speeds and still have the 34nm architecture and don't act fishy as hell like OCZ did.
http://www.overclock.net/ssd/942073-ocz-vertex-2-34nm-nand-versus.html
Oh, and it's also rumored that they were deleting posts off their site about the unannounced change to 25nm.
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Apparently it can be around a 43% decrease in speed. lOOOOOOOOOl
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just asking, but: how is this specific to ssd drives? this can happen to any hdd too.
your post seems to suggest that the need to backup your data just applies to ssd drives and that it's some new insight, that storage devices stop working from time to time.
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I think his point was that with an HDD, you usually get early warning signs such as clicking whereas with an SSD, there are no signs that it is on its way out. But yes, components fail and it's just how it is unfortunately. If you want reliability, you may want to sacrifice some speed and pay a premium for Intel.
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On March 20 2011 05:10 mahnini wrote:yeah and if you really, REALLY needed the data you could probably swap the platters into new drive and recover the data. i don't think there's a way to do this with SSDs.
90% of the dead/bricked drives are due to the controller dieing, and not the memory. If one had the tools and knowledge, they could just as easily replace the controller and reset it to recover everything.
On a side note, i've have 2 SSD's from ocz, the original Vertex, die on me. 1 lasted for 6 months, the other lasted for about a month (was an RMA of the original).
Sounds like OCZ is having some major quality issues with their ssd's.
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OCZ will RMA your stuff generously; they even gave a friend of mine an upgrade b/c his version wasn't in production anymore (and actually old enough to allow them to refuse replacing it at all)
BUT OCZ will die. At least in my experience. For the stuff i know, for example 3 of 4 eSATA sticks are dead, the 4th being the one my friend only just received.
buy quality, be happy.
IBM, Kingston, Corsair. Anything else that uses Intel designs and doesnt cost half of the original probably too.
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just bought my vertex 2 a few months ago =(
guess i need to buy an external soon
least i got 3.0 usb =)
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Well this topic has scared me enough to not buy SSD vertex for a while, but we need to take into account that this thread is full of ppl with troubles.
Can ppl with no troubles, talk about how much they have with their SSD vertex??? because as i see
when one of this SSD die the owner just have a couple of months.
i think Intel have the best SSD
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yeah i have only ever had hardware problems with OCZ
mainly dodgy ram. I dont think this reflects on all SSd ... howver the problem is that it will die with no symptons .. that is goign to be common to any non mechanical component.
Cant wait to be able to afford some ssd drives though.
With computers you have always got hat you paid for
you find the gfx card you want 30 quid cheaper .. you can bet it got nerfed along the way.
Buy a cheap hard disk ... you can bet something will suck (like my samsung 1tb that thought it was 50 megs .... )
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On March 20 2011 06:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I would not recommend ever buying OCZ. They just pulled some really fishy shit even besides this crashing. Apparently the Vertex 2 drives, the ones that are listed as the "best" were switched from a 34nm architecture to a 25nm architecture. OCZ did NOT create a different model number for the different unit and package/advertise them as the 34nm. The reason that is bad is because the 25nm models have a halved life expectancy as well as a noticeable decrease in speed and storage because apparently you lose like another 8gb's of space with the new architecture. Oh and the only way to tell the two drives apart is to open it up, which voids the warranty. Long story short, buy Mushkin or Gskill SSD's. They have bad ass speeds and still have the 34nm architecture and don't act fishy as hell like OCZ did. http://www.overclock.net/ssd/942073-ocz-vertex-2-34nm-nand-versus.htmlOh, and it's also rumored that they were deleting posts off their site about the unannounced change to 25nm.
i was reading that too. 25nm is also much cheaper for OCZ. Considering OCZ's latest profit statements, SSDs are making them so much money they don't even need the RAM market anymore ... they even bought the makers of the Indilinx controller.
While 500mb/s Vertex 3 sounds so sweet, its things like this that always keep me on the edge of not recommending SSDs.
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On March 20 2011 07:04 hellsan631 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 05:10 mahnini wrote:yeah and if you really, REALLY needed the data you could probably swap the platters into new drive and recover the data. i don't think there's a way to do this with SSDs. 90% of the dead/bricked drives are due to the controller dieing, and not the memory. If one had the tools and knowledge, they could just as easily replace the controller and reset it to recover everything
I think the bitmap of where your data is stored is on the controller. The new controller would not know which blocks of flash correspond to what.
OCZ Vertex 2 is using the SandForce SF-1200 that many other product lines are using: Corsair Force, G.Skill Phoenix Pro, OCZ Agility 2, and many others. These all have pretty good performance. But the Vertex 2 uses custom firmware that the other SandForce drives aren't using, which improves random write performance. Maybe their firmware testing and QC is not so great?
Anyway, automatic backups is the way to go. (also, Intel SSDs, for reliability)
edit: if you look at the numbers for the flash endurance...no desktop user is ever going to run out of writes on these things, even the 25nm flash. Even if you run out of writes, the drive can still be read, anyway. The ECC and spare flash are additional measures for robustness. It's only really enterprise-type server workloads that are of concern for consumer SSDs--and that's why expensive SLC enterprise-class SSDs exist for those applications.
As mentioned above, it's the controller that usually dies. Flash durability is not a real concern when considering 34nm vs. 25nm.
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What have we learned in this thread? Don't buy stuff from ocz. I have a friend that works for them and he gives me the same advice. And he WORKS FOR THEM. I've had my 40Gb intel ssd and it works Luke a charm. Ocz may be cheaper but we all know you get what you pay for.
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On March 21 2011 01:54 orcslayermac wrote:
What have we learned in this thread? Don't buy stuff from ocz. I have a friend that works for them and he gives me the same advice. And he WORKS FOR THEM. I've had my 40Gb intel ssd and it works Luke a charm. Ocz may be cheaper but we all know you get what you pay for.
lol u hate OCZ
User was warned for this post
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imo you shouldn't have anything on your ssd but the programs you want to boot fast. i keep all my documents on my normal drive. Really should invest in a raid setup to backup but ii'm lazy. Heres to hoping my ssd doesn't die (corsair force)
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this most definitely doesn't happen to all the drives. good job on scaring people out of buying perfectly good SSD's.
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Russian Federation56 Posts
ssd tends to die once in a while, right before their warranty runs off, so you can change it to a new one. at least this is how it works in my neck of woods.
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just buy the crucial c300. same price, way faster, and much more reliable company.
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This is the nature of SSDs right now. They're a new technology and reliability will increase once the technology has advanced more. For the time being, they will not be as reliable as an HDD. I have an OCZ Agility 2 in my Macbook, I know they don't last long so I back up every other day with Time Machine.
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I think you should just store your OS & Apps on an SSD and keep an normal HDD with said OS & Apps always ready to take over. Any work should never be stored on just your SSD but rather on synced in multiple places, personally I use Dropbox to keep a synced copy of my latest works together synced across 2 pc's and online.
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I bought a Vertex 2 120GB for my new laptop, and it was DOA. I switched to the Intel X25-M instead, and there hasn't been any problems yet.
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I've had a Vertex 2 for 9 months and haven't had issues except for some recent corruption which may or may not be caused by the drive (I'll be reinstalling windows tonight). Although the data is limited, in the French study SSD failure rates are comparable to the median 1TB HDD failure rates. Looking at their numbers, I'll have to consider the slightly worse performance of an Intel for my next drive.
I read that the OCZ drives get better performance than other Sandforce drives because of a deal the companies have, which means Sandforce artificially slows down other companies' Sandforce drives through the firmware so that OCZ's will perform better. The Vertex 3 numbers are pretty amazing, and I'm tempted to try one. Luckily if my SSD ever dies, I only lose my browser's history and bookmarks, text files (I use for notes), and SC replays since my last backup. Backing up these three folders only takes about 1 minute, so it's easy to do weekly.
The scariest thing I noticed in that study was the 2TB Caviar Black drives, which I was considering building a new raid array with. An almost 10% failure rate is insane! I may go with 4-5 of the 1TB Spinpoints or Blacks instead. It looks like either 2TB drives aren't quite ready yet, or we're reaching the point where failure is going to be inevitable because of the size. A raid 6 array would make me feel a lot safer with my photographs.
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I've had a lot of OCZ ram fail on my had two two gig sticks and the both sets failed. RMA'd the first pair and now the second one has failed... starting the RMA process.
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I have a vertex 2 too.... So far it has been working for around 7 months now, luckily. Using ATTO benchmark, the speeds have decreased around 5 percent, however. That is pretty good, considering how most of the drive is full now. Have any of you seen a decrease in speed?
Question, I was considering buying a new drive for my laptop. There are some new SATA 3 drives out, but unfortunately, my laptop is not SATA 3 compatible... I know it's backwards compatible, but with that in mind, wouldn't it be slower than its potential, and probably slower than the SATA 2 drives already out? I was looking for a drive that is faster than the vertex 2.
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Haha fml I have a Vertex 2
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Just in case anyone didn't read all the links, the Vertex 2 may be among the highest, but its failure rate was only 2.9% in the study. You should be much more concerned if you have a 2TB HDD because a) it's a lot harder to back up that much data and b) it's probably more likely to fail than your SSD.
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On March 21 2011 05:36 LonelyMargarita wrote:
The scariest thing I noticed in that study was the 2TB Caviar Black drives, which I was considering building a new raid array with. An almost 10% failure rate is insane! I may go with 4-5 of the 1TB Spinpoints or Blacks instead. It looks like either 2TB drives aren't quite ready yet, or we're reaching the point where failure is going to be inevitable because of the size. A raid 6 array would make me feel a lot safer with my photographs.
But look at the failure rate of the 2TB Green, it's quite ok. If you're looking for a storage drive I would always recommend Greens over Blacks anyway, the additional performance of the Blacks is not as good as the lower power consumption and less noise the Green offers in that case.
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On March 21 2011 08:16 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 05:36 LonelyMargarita wrote:
The scariest thing I noticed in that study was the 2TB Caviar Black drives, which I was considering building a new raid array with. An almost 10% failure rate is insane! I may go with 4-5 of the 1TB Spinpoints or Blacks instead. It looks like either 2TB drives aren't quite ready yet, or we're reaching the point where failure is going to be inevitable because of the size. A raid 6 array would make me feel a lot safer with my photographs. But look at the failure rate of the 2TB Green, it's quite ok. If you're looking for a storage drive I would always recommend Greens over Blacks anyway, the additional performance of the Blacks is not as good as the lower power consumption and less noise the Green offers in that case.
As someone who had had to deal with people trying to use Greens inside servers, I can always recommend the exact opposite. God have mercy on your soul if you ever try to use them in RAID (without hacking its firmware to solve the issues, but voiding your warranty in the process).
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Hard drives can do the same thing, but yeah - backups are good... I just backed up 11 hours of work that was on my intel SSD
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Been using my Vertex 2 for a couple months now with no problems. Running OCZ ram for over 10 years now in various machines with no problems and great benchmarks. As mentioned, just use SSDs for your OS/games and run your basic applications/music/movies/etc on another drive.
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The failure rate of SSDs is lower than some hard drives, and not much higher than other hard drives - I wouldn't say it's too bad.
The main thing that will cause an SSD to fail is when it writes on so many blocks the blocks cannot be written on anymore (memory in SSDs can only be written to a limited number of times). Thing is, when such a failure occurs, the drive still reads 100% fine, you just can't perform writes on it anymore, so there is no lost data, which can be a HUGE benefit for people who use them with valuable data.
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Sorry for the bump... but for anyone running on this drive, other OCZ drives, or anything running a Sandforce controller and using a laptop, be very careful not to let your drive go to sleep/hibernate mode, let it run out of power, etc. This is a well-known problem with OCZ drives.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?84227-Dell-and-Laptop-users-with-issues-please-look-in
My first SSD drive ran into the well-known "time-warp" aka "groundhog day" problem, where it pretends to save things fine, but when you turn off / on your computer, it'll go back to the original state. My replacement just died within a few days, and can't even be recognized by the BIOS.
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?86697-OCZ-Vertex-2-time-warp-issue-again!
tl;dr -- don't buy an OCZ SSD drive. If you already have one and are on a laptop, avoid using sleep/hibernate!
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Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's.
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On April 02 2011 08:18 thehitman wrote:
Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's.
This is why, despite having a rig, that, counting peripherals and display, is worth over $1700, I'm still on spinnies.
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The issue with SSD reliability isn't in the inherent technology of flash memory, but the fact that the industry is fairly new. Until the firmware verification methodologies are in place that cover all corner cases and low quality companies are forced out of business due to quality control issues, you will probably have a wide range of SSD quality.
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On April 02 2011 01:45 Polemarch wrote:Sorry for the bump... but for anyone running on this drive, other OCZ drives, or anything running a Sandforce controller and using a laptop, be very careful not to let your drive go to sleep/hibernate mode, let it run out of power, etc. This is a well-known problem with OCZ drives. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?84227-Dell-and-Laptop-users-with-issues-please-look-inMy first SSD drive ran into the well-known "time-warp" aka "groundhog day" problem, where it pretends to save things fine, but when you turn off / on your computer, it'll go back to the original state. My replacement just died within a few days, and can't even be recognized by the BIOS. http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?86697-OCZ-Vertex-2-time-warp-issue-again!tl;dr -- don't buy an OCZ SSD drive. If you already have one and are on a laptop, avoid using sleep/hibernate!
Yup, exactly what happened to my OCZ. Hibernate... damn thing didnt wake up... i mean i tried CPR ;'( Ahh well, rocking an Intel x-25 now :D lower writes but better reliablilty... win win 
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Hmm, I was thinking about buying the OCZ vertex 3. Would be sort of untested since it's so new..
So many people here complaining about them but I'm also thinking that it's the most popular due to price and write speed so more drives would break down because of that. Also the title should attract the unlucky ones.. hmm.
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On April 02 2011 08:18 thehitman wrote:
Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's.
Where did you get this statistic from?
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On April 02 2011 13:03 Neighbor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 08:18 thehitman wrote:
Well thank you. I've been saying SSD are just not reliable and ton of people come down on me, telling me how HDD's aren't reliable, but in fact only 1 out of 10 HDD's break within a year, while its 5/10 for SSD's. Where did you get this statistic from?
Likewise, I'm curious. The only statistic I'm familiar with is this:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/810-6/taux-pannes-composants.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review/3
For those too lazy to click links, these are SSD failure rates per year by brand for according to Hardware.fr:
- Intel 0,59%
- Corsair 2,17%
- Crucial 2,25%
- Kingston 2,39%
- OCZ 2,93%
Some HDD stats are also in the link.
edit: it should be noted that if you somehow exhaust the number of writes and wear your flash memory out, you can still read from it. SSD failures as above tend to be the controller or other part of the device malfunctioning, not running out of writes (which should practically never happen, even on 25nm flash, unless you're running enterprise-style workloads on consumer-grade MLC flash).
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On March 20 2011 04:18 Lyzon wrote:
Hey all, basically my OCZ Vertex 2 SSD has died. It has entered a state called Panic Mode or Engineering Mode. Basically, renders the drive undetectable by the BIOS. Thing is, even though (apparently) OCZ can unlock a paniced drive, if you RMA u will lose all your data and get a fresh drive.
Before you put this in blogs, I just wanted to give out a word of warning to all SSD users....
BACK UP YOUR DATA BEFORE ITS TOO LATE. SSDS CAN DIE INSTANTLY WITH NO WARNING AND UR DATA IS GONE
* My SSD died after i put my laptop to hibernate. Luckly i keep backups of my most important work but stuff such as databases i forgot to backup and looks like its all lost now.
So please mods, leave this in tech support so people can see and backup before its too late, being in my position waiting for an RMA and wondering wtf to do with no data... is not fun
On March 20 2011 04:29 spoinka wrote:happened to me aswell after 2 weeks of working flawlessly... one day booted up and it wasnt detected by the bios. sent it in and got a new one
I just saw this after searching google and had to reply with my similar experiences.
I bought an OCZ Vertex II 180GB SSD for my laptop. I was thrilled with it for 2 weeks. Then one night I put it through windows shutdown as normal. Next time I go to turn it on, the SSD isn't detected. I tried it in two PC's and still couldn't see it in BIOS or Disk Management. I RMA'd to NCIX without any hassle.
After waiting a week for my replacement, I got it and I installed my new replacement SSD into my laptop. After less than 2 weeks, my replacement SSD can no longer be seen by my laptop. I tried the drive in another PC and it was seen in Disk Management, but said that the drive had yet to be initialized. I tried updating the firmware on the drive with OCZ's updater tool and it made the drive completely disappear. It can't be seen by OCZ's tool, BIOS, or Disk Management. That's 2 bad 180G SSD's in a row for me. Makes me concerned about the 2 other OCZ Vertex II 120GB SSD's I have in desktop setups.
Last time I put money into an OCZ product.
Colin
EDIT: NOTE that it was Windows "SHUT-DOWN" that was the final command given to my Toshiba L300 laptop before both my OCZ Vertex II 180GB SSD's died.
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On March 21 2011 08:29 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2011 08:16 clusen wrote:On March 21 2011 05:36 LonelyMargarita wrote:
The scariest thing I noticed in that study was the 2TB Caviar Black drives, which I was considering building a new raid array with. An almost 10% failure rate is insane! I may go with 4-5 of the 1TB Spinpoints or Blacks instead. It looks like either 2TB drives aren't quite ready yet, or we're reaching the point where failure is going to be inevitable because of the size. A raid 6 array would make me feel a lot safer with my photographs. But look at the failure rate of the 2TB Green, it's quite ok. If you're looking for a storage drive I would always recommend Greens over Blacks anyway, the additional performance of the Blacks is not as good as the lower power consumption and less noise the Green offers in that case. As someone who had had to deal with people trying to use Greens inside servers, I can always recommend the exact opposite. God have mercy on your soul if you ever try to use them in RAID (without hacking its firmware to solve the issues, but voiding your warranty in the process).
Larger capacity drives tend to have more failure rates because guys like Hitachi and Seagate cram a stupid number of platters into their drives increasing the possibility of failure astronomically.
As far as I know the WD fixed that head parking issue under Linux by releasing a new set of drives (I think the WD#0EARS models don't have this issue). But yeah, server operating systems like Windows Home Server and some small NAS boxes really, really hate the "Advanced Format" that a lot of Green drives use and refuse to form a RAID correctly.
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Sorry for being slightly uninformed, but aren't greens 5400RPM? Would you really want a slower drive like that when HDDs are slow already? RAID will help with the sequential IO, but with HDDs I hear there is very little benefit on small random IO with RAID.
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WD Green is nominally 5400 rpm, yeah. It's probably for RAID 0, 1, 5, or anything other than RAID 1 0 that uses forward error correction so you can reconstruct the original data if one of the drives fails.
edit: whoops somehow got 0 and 1 backwards
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The point of RAID is to add fault tolerance to the hard disks that are carrying your data. So if a hard disk kills itself, you don't lose all of the data on that disk - instead you take the dead disk out, put a new disk in, get the RAID array to rebuild itself, and if everything works as intended you end up with no lost data and just lost time.
A lot of people use Green drives because they're quiet, don't use a lot of power, are fairly cheap, and 5400RPM is good enough for simply storing data.
You're probably thinking of RAID 0 where the intended purpose is to simply improve performance.
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On March 20 2011 04:18 Lyzon wrote:
* My SSD died after i put my laptop to hibernate.
Same here. Or to be more precis the Sleep mode in Windows 7. Now my SSD is sleeping for good!
After I opened to lid to have it back from Sleep the Windows desktop had frozen, (although strangely the mouse pointer still worked, but everything else was unresponsive including ctrl + alt + del). After a hard reboot I'm told by BIOS that the Internal HDD is "Not Present".
I don't know if it's Sleep mode itself or just a faulty drive. It was an OCZ Vertex 2 E Series SATA II 2.5" SSD 60GB. It only lasted three months! (Sitting in a Dell Vostro 3700 laptop all the time.) For about a month I had also gotten repeated, unexplainable bsods that was probably related to the ssd since I've never gotten them with a hdd in the laptop, sometimes after returning from Sleep, and sometimes ssd content had been damaged so that Startup repair had to be run to prevent another bsod during boot.
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I got my OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB - my test was simple:·
1) I took the OCZ SSD and my trusted Crucial M4 SSD
2) I installed the same OS on both (same system, same everything)
3) I tried various scenarios such as pressing reset button when system idle, pulling the power chord out, filling up ram and causing a kernel panic, etc.
4) My Crucial was just fine in all tests, the OCZ Vertex showed severe filesystem corruption, large directories simply missing, etc in all tests - including the system freeze test!
I am sending my OCZ back on Monday.
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Even though OCZ has a bad rep, I'm a little curious about anyone who registers just to necro a thread to thrash them.
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On October 08 2011 09:48 JingleHell wrote:
Even though OCZ has a bad rep, I'm a little curious about anyone who registers just to necro a thread to thrash them.
Surprised his name isn't crucialOWNZ or something.
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And people are worried about OCZ (and anybody's really) SandForce SSDs. Vertex Plus is Indilinx, from back before OCZ bought Indilinx.
Then again, most of the other controllers from back in the day were not that reliable either. TBH I think that the hardware.fr SSD failure rates (returns really) that get quoted, are mostly looking at the time period when OCZ was mostly selling those Indilinx drives (pre SandForce).
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Well let's just get all technical and specific, Myrmidon. You're just an OCZ fanboy, I see right through your unbiased presentation and supporting evidence!
Wow, I could actually feel my IQ going down saying that. And I've heard it enough to have some karma saved up for it.
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TBH I'm starting to dislike my Kingston SSD, constant file corruptions and disc checks. I've had to reinstall windows twice so far.
I'll be going with intel in the near future.
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Had my OCZ for a while here, no problems.
*knock on wood*
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On October 08 2011 12:14 Stoids wrote:
Had my OCZ for a while here, no problems.
*knock on wood* I have one in my Mac, I am making no statements on its status so I don't jinks myself. Though I kinda want it to die so I can get a bigger drive. My dad won't let me get a bigger drive since he spent like $200 on it last Christmas for me. Instead I may replace the optical drive with a second hard drive. It is supposed to be really easy.
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ya, i have the OCZ 120gig SATA2 SSD for about 3 months on my main comp ( that i havn't been on much cuza work.....stay in school kids) and no major problems yet. however, i have noticed a certain scratchy sound whenever the SSD is looking for info. idk if its on its way out or what but i never heard this sound before on the comp. wondering if this is the begining of the end on this drive as i have heard numerous complaints about OCZ drives.
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SSDs do not make noise. What you're hearing is from something else...
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I have had mine for about 11 months. so far so good. even if it did crash I wouldnt really care. the only thing I have on it is my OS which can be reinstalled in an hour. all important data is on other drives.
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OCZ products are inherently unreliable. SSDs in general are also kind of funky what with the page/block relationship when writing and erasing data.
I'm currently using a Crucial M4 64GB
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My OCZ Vertex SSD (250gb) has been going strong for 2 years now. I really hope it doesn't die on me for at least another 2. If it does, I'm so fucked since I have all my programs and games on there.
Remember to never touch defrag and keep updating the firmware!
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My ssd just died, but it is picked up by the BIOS. When I try to boot from it, I get a blue screen saying windows has failed to start because of missing component. When I boot up from another hard drive, windows does not detect ssd at all, even though BIOS did. Does anyone know anything about this, looked around and it seemed to only happened to me.
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On October 08 2011 09:39 hackeron wrote:
I got my OCZ Vertex Plus 60GB - my test was simple:·
1) I took the OCZ SSD and my trusted Crucial M4 SSD
2) I installed the same OS on both (same system, same everything)
3) I tried various scenarios such as pressing reset button when system idle, pulling the power chord out, filling up ram and causing a kernel panic, etc.
4) My Crucial was just fine in all tests, the OCZ Vertex showed severe filesystem corruption, large directories simply missing, etc in all tests - including the system freeze test!
I am sending my OCZ back on Monday.
My crucial c300 (previous gen from m4) has massive data corruption issues. Fine when booting from HDD etc in same system using OS cloned FROM the ssd
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Slightly OT but most needed advice:
Always, and i mean ALWAYS, backup your data!! Regardless if its a SATA, SSD, SAS, internal or external drive. Every disk can die a sudden, unannounced death.
I work for a storage company and our customers deal with 2 problems:
1) physical data loss (i.e.: dead disks, power outage, dead raid array or burned datacenter)
2) logical data loss (i.e.: corrupted databases or a stupid admin/user who hit the wrong button)
Both of these points apply for private use as well so your minimal configuration should be a SSD for your daily doings and an external SATA disk to backup your stuff. If you have a gazillion of FABulous material on your PC so it wont fit the external drive, please at least backup your real important data such as personal documents, emails and pictures of your firstborn which you have not copied to someplace else yet. I get calls every week from friends who have friends who have a mate who told them that i can fix harddrives, simple fact is in 9 out of 10 cases you just cannot and without a valid backup you are doomed.
You have been warned! ;-)
Back top topic: I have an OCZ Vertex 2 in my gaming rig, an Intel in my desktop at work and a cruiser in my work laptop, all 3 have been totaly fine for over 1 - 2 years. I barely hybernate tho as a full reboot is a matter of seconds.
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SSD of my little brother died too last week (OCZ Vertex 2).
Thankfully he had a HDD where everything was backed up automatically.
To repeat after shubcraft:
- Use SSD + HDD
- If you use Windows 7: use Windows backup to save your data and an image of your SSD. If the SSD fails you can put in a new one and restore the image with the Windows install disc. Voila, you got your old Windows back. If you use other OS, use other backup software.
- Have off-site backup!
---- Save important stuff on Dropbox, SkyDrive or something.
---- Consider using online backup for everything (costs 5$ a month? totally worth it)
---- Use an external hard drive, and leave that at your parents' house for example.
Think about it, what do you loose when your house burns down?
Remember, you always think about making a backup when it's too late. Don't postpone.
Good luck keeping your data safe
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Anyone with an Intel SSD who had this problem?
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Not really, the major thing people don't like about Intel drives are the rather low benchmark results compared to modern Sandforce drives. The most "common" recent problem with the Intel 320 was that if your computer suffered from a power surge, it would fry the data on your drive. Or something like that. Its fixed with firmware update however.
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On November 22 2011 15:38 shubcraft wrote:
Slightly OT but most needed advice:
Always, and i mean ALWAYS, backup your data!! Regardless if its a SATA, SSD, SAS, internal or external drive. Every disk can die a sudden, unannounced death.
I work for a storage company and our customers deal with 2 problems:
1) physical data loss (i.e.: dead disks, power outage, dead raid array or burned datacenter)
2) logical data loss (i.e.: corrupted databases or a stupid admin/user who hit the wrong button)
Both of these points apply for private use as well so your minimal configuration should be a SSD for your daily doings and an external SATA disk to backup your stuff. If you have a gazillion of FABulous material on your PC so it wont fit the external drive, please at least backup your real important data such as personal documents, emails and pictures of your firstborn which you have not copied to someplace else yet. I get calls every week from friends who have friends who have a mate who told them that i can fix harddrives, simple fact is in 9 out of 10 cases you just cannot and without a valid backup you are doomed.
You have been warned! ;-)
Back top topic: I have an OCZ Vertex 2 in my gaming rig, an Intel in my desktop at work and a cruiser in my work laptop, all 3 have been totaly fine for over 1 - 2 years. I barely hybernate tho as a full reboot is a matter of seconds.
Backup is good, just don't do what I did and drop the backup drive on the ground right after you have made a clean install of windows. -_- I lost all of my media files as well as most of my saved work from university... Thankfully I'm such a messy organizer and could recover some of the more important things from usb drives and old computers.
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my Force 3 can't be read by the BIOS every so often. i jiggle the cord and it works again. anyone else have this problem ever? maybe the drive is dying, and i keep getting lucky. it happened to the first one i bought, and i RMA'ed but was too lazy to do it again on the second.
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Have you tried changing the sata cable?
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I decided to take the Intel SSDs with their recent huge mail in rebates being offered on the 80, 120 and 160 GB models of the 320 series. Heard too many bad things about OCZ to consider them..
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Heard a lot about them having like a 1/3 fail rate within a year. I'm deciding whether or not to buy an intel ssd for 80 dollars after rebate on newegg right now.
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intel fails slightly less than half as much as ocz drives.
the 320 drives aren't that fast, it's comparable to solid, maybe agility of the ocz series
and usually, the higher the capacity, the faster the drive.
the newegg black friday deals are pretty good, if it's your first drive, go for it
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I had the OCZ vertex 2 120GB SSD and after a month my computer randomly froze, so I restarted and the drive could not be detected.
I then was asked to get it replaced but I said I want a refund as there is no way I wanted to risk having to send it back to OCZ again. I also bought a corsair SSD drive a few months after I got my OCZ refunded, the Corsair was faulty aswell :@. SO got the COrsair SSD refunded also!
SSD's in my opinion are unreliable, although, I have heard that the Crucial and Intel drives use a different type of SSD and are more reliable but have much lower speed. Either way, I won't be touching SSD's again for at least a couple of years unless I see evidence of increased reliablility across the board.
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Crucial uses a Marvell controller and Intel uses it as well along with their own branded controller, both of which are much more reliable than the Sandforce controller used by OCZ and Corsair. Not to mention both Crucial and Intel use their own NAND. So you refunded the Vertex 2 for most likely an identical Vertex 2 but with Corsair branding... and you wonder why it was faulty as well -_- And a Crucial M4 is just as fast if not faster than a Vertex 3 - but all the modern SSDs are already way faster than an HDD so it's not like it matters how fast it is unless you benchmark all day.
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crucial m4's speed isnt muchhhhh lower, it's good enough that you won't notice the difference
basically if you're looking for more reliable with good speed ssds, but comes with a price premium go with intel 510, crucial m4
if you're looking for cheap, fast but more unreliable drives, you can roll the dice and go with a sandforce based drive (vertex, corsair, kingston, patriot). heard the later two has better QA so might be slightly more reliable. who knows
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well ocz vertex are known to be unreliable.
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I just put my important non-private data (basically work and other projects, like my home page or source code or stuff for the university like presentations) in a version control system.
Google Code for example gives you a free svn account. SVN is quite old however so I would look around and get one with git or mercurial because it's faster and better.
This achieves multiple things:
- it is really safe because unlike a usual backup it does not share a physical location
- you have the data backed up by a single "svn commit"
- you have the data on your new pcs with just "sv checkout"
- you have the data synchronized with your other pcs with just "svn update"
- someone needs the file from you and you're not at home? just browse to your google code site and give them the link.
- same if you are in another place and you need some of your files
- you don't have to spend much time to search for your backups and find the right one
- you can always restore to a very near point if you commit often enough
- even if you overwrite a file you can just restore the older version with one command
Problem is however that this puts up your data for everyone to see but for some files that is not an issue. Also it's not that good for binary files.
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On November 26 2011 17:26 Sxcerino wrote:
crucial m4's speed isnt muchhhhh lower, it's good enough that you won't notice the difference
basically if you're looking for more reliable with good speed ssds, but comes with a price premium go with intel 510, crucial m4
if you're looking for cheap, fast but more unreliable drives, you can roll the dice and go with a sandforce based drive (vertex, corsair, kingston, patriot). heard the later two has better QA so might be slightly more reliable. who knows
i agree 100%. ive seen 2 vertex drives die within a few weeks, my friend replaced with an intel 510 and it runs like a dream for months now. if you cant afford to spend that little extra for quality, i would recommend not getting an ssd until you can. if only to save you the head-aches that can ensue.
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My OCZ Agility died after several months of non-use (plugged in) then 2-3 months of use (optimized boot drive).
Wasn't a big deal that everything wasn't backed up, but it was a bit of an annoyance.
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I was recently shopping for a SSD myself and a friend that works in the industry told me something that I thought I'd pass on.
Most of you guys know that Crucial is the retail branch of Micron which is why the M4 / C400 are essentially the same drive except for the branding. However, it turns out that every drive Crucial gets actually goes through Micron first - and any drives that are below spec are automatically defaulted to Crucial.
So if you end up in a situation where you have to choose between the two with little to no price difference, the C400 is always the safer choice.
Edit - I feel like a shining star just passed over my head like on those "The More You Know" commercials.
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On November 26 2011 19:01 kirdie wrote:
I just put my important non-private data (basically work and other projects, like my home page or source code or stuff for the university like presentations) in a version control system.
Google Code for example gives you a free svn account. SVN is quite old however so I would look around and get one with git or mercurial because it's faster and better.
This achieves multiple things:
- it is really safe because unlike a usual backup it does not share a physical location
- you have the data backed up by a single "svn commit"
- you have the data on your new pcs with just "sv checkout"
- you have the data synchronized with your other pcs with just "svn update"
- someone needs the file from you and you're not at home? just browse to your google code site and give them the link.
- same if you are in another place and you need some of your files
- you don't have to spend much time to search for your backups and find the right one
- you can always restore to a very near point if you commit often enough
- even if you overwrite a file you can just restore the older version with one command
Problem is however that this puts up your data for everyone to see but for some files that is not an issue. Also it's not that good for binary files.
Try bitbucket for private hosting or even dropbox (You can setup dropbox as a GIT repository). But i think a SCM is a bit beyond the expertise of non coders.
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On November 28 2011 05:27 TapeDeckChris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 17:26 Sxcerino wrote:
crucial m4's speed isnt muchhhhh lower, it's good enough that you won't notice the difference
basically if you're looking for more reliable with good speed ssds, but comes with a price premium go with intel 510, crucial m4
if you're looking for cheap, fast but more unreliable drives, you can roll the dice and go with a sandforce based drive (vertex, corsair, kingston, patriot). heard the later two has better QA so might be slightly more reliable. who knows i agree 100%. ive seen 2 vertex drives die within a few weeks, my friend replaced with an intel 510 and it runs like a dream for months now. if you cant afford to spend that little extra for quality, i would recommend not getting an ssd until you can. if only to save you the head-aches that can ensue.
Even the intel 320s are good enough. There is honestly very little difference between the older 320s and the new 510s for real world usage.
I just got myself a 120GB 320s and I'm more than happy and paid $50 less compare to Crucial and $100 less compare to 510s.
So what if it's not SATA3 :/
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In most of the world, Crucial / Samsung / whatever pricing is about similar to Intel 320, sometimes less per GB.
btw 320 is newer than 510 actually. Or rather, the launch date is later, the flash is newer generation, the firmware version is presumably newer, but the controller is older.
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Vertex 2 has worked well for over a year, but I've never put my machine to hibernate, ever. Hoping that's the issue, I backup my data to an external every now and then anyways...
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ive had mine for bout a year now also... no issues but i also never hibernated my lappy. ive updated the latest firmware bout 3 months ago and i do a complete factory reset every 4 months. yea sux if my ssd died
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Why haven't you used the services of a salvage data compnay? I think they could save you files
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