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lundell100
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden232 Posts
March 15 2011 09:35 GMT
#21
Dpi has nothing to do with mouse SPEED, it's dots per inch. Higher dpi doesn't not mean higher speed. Sure, higher dpi allows higher speed, but most of all it is more accurate.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
March 15 2011 09:41 GMT
#22
On March 15 2011 18:35 lundell100 wrote:
Dpi has nothing to do with mouse SPEED, it's dots per inch. Higher dpi doesn't not mean higher speed. Sure, higher dpi allows higher speed, but most of all it is more accurate.

Increasing DPI will increase speed. For maximum precision you want Windows sens on 6/11 and Sc2 on 51%-54%, after that you alter your DPI to whatever speed you want to have.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
March 15 2011 09:55 GMT
#23
DPI and senstitivity are somewhat personal preference in most cases. There are "optimal settings" to get a 1:1 ratio etc but there are differing opinions on what DPI to use.

In sc2 I use 750DPI of the possible 4000 my lachesis can use, I find this to be a nice medium between fast mouse movement and lack of accuracy (If i put it up high i just end up scrolling around the screen instead of playing lol).

For FPS games I have been told I'm somewhat weird with my settings, when I am using a pistol or rifle I have high very DPI so that i can flip around fast to pick off enemies to the side or behind me, but when I get out a sniper rifle I drop the DPI right down so that i can make larger movements without losing my target. This apparently is weird, many people have told me they prefer high DPI for sniping so they can be more accurate, for me high DPI while sniping has the opposite effect.

tl:dr mouse settings are a personal thing, if you are used to a setting you will usually do better with it than another setting. While there might be an "optimal setup" for a particular game, hardly anyone will use those exact settings, we are all different
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Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 10:05:17
March 15 2011 10:04 GMT
#24
I'd be interested to hear what pro gamers use (windows setting, mouse DPI, starcraft setting)

I'm about 120-140APM player, using a RAT7 (5600 DPI) at 2850dpi 51% starcraft setting, 6/11 windows.

Sometimes I feel pretty accurate, sometimes I don't. I'm a diamond player.
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ArcticVanguard
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
March 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#25
I use 1600 DPI for first person shooters, SC2, and SC1 (Windowed mode, 2x size. 800 DPI if I play full screen). Normal use is 2400 DPI. 800 feels infuriatingly slow with default windows settings for mouse speed. I experimented with 2400 for FPSs and I simply couldn't be accurate with it, even though I stuck with it for a pretty significant period of time. I'm still debating whether I want to use 2400 DPI for SC2 or not. I'll often use 800 DPI if I'm sniping for the extra accuracy, but it sometimes throws me off. For anyone with a logitech G500, I use 15.8 grams of weight. I like a little extra weight, it feels better when I'm playing.

My resolution is 1980x1080, by the way. Since that makes a difference.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
March 15 2011 10:25 GMT
#26
I recently switched from a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 at about 400 dpi to a Razer Abyssus at 3500, with the sensitivity turned down a bunch. It took me a few nights of playing Starcraft to adapt to it, but once I did, I've felt like I'm more successful clicking accurately on units. Ultimately it's a qualitative thing -- maybe just having a different feel has given me some kind of placebo effect sense that things are better, but having more confidence with micro that involves clicking individual units helps my game whether it's a real effect or not.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 10:31:11
March 15 2011 10:30 GMT
#27
im using 2160 dpi with 6/11 windows sensitivity settings and 51% sens in sc2 on a 1920x1080 screen. feels perfect to me, not too slow, not too fast.

my micro has always sucked and will always suck though.
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flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
March 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#28
On March 15 2011 18:24 Giku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 18:21 Phayze wrote:
You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity.

Can anyone actually confirm this?
I always have a quite high speed, and DPI, on my mouse, but don't want to develop RSI's..

Well, what he said is certainly true if you are a counterstrike player. Using massive mouse mats and low dpi + low sensitivity will obviously be the most accurate way to use a mouse. I still play SC like that and I'm very quick and accurate in my clicking.

But since most of my gaming experience is in fps I can't really say if that is the official "1337pr0h4x0r" way of using your mouse in rts games.
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Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 11:23:23
March 15 2011 11:18 GMT
#29
I think he wanted a confirmation of the possible medical implications of using high mouse sensitivity. It is certainly true. To add, if you are using high sensitivities you are putting quite considerable more force to grip the mouse, because you have to be so accurate moving the house so little you have to grip quite hard, so added on with moving the mouse less and promoting less bloodflow you are putting alot of stress on your fingers and your wrist. Building blocks of many hand RSI's.

Also dont rest your elbow on an elbow rest Reduces bloodflow in the hand as you are putting pressure on the unlar nerve, which can also cause ulnar nurve compression or cubital tunnel syndrome.

From a FPS perspective low sensitivity is better, I played several CEVO M seasons in CS, and two cevo-P seasons. With RTS you want a medium sensitivity, a sens that will promote accuracy but will also allow you to move from the minimap to the other corner in a reasonable time. Everyone is different but if you are using max dpi on your mouse, and max in game sensitivity it's probably wayyy to high and you will be more likely to develop an rsi.
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Mangemongen
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden125 Posts
March 15 2011 11:22 GMT
#30
On March 15 2011 16:19 heishe wrote:
Higher DPI doesn't just mean higher speed, it also means higher accuracy of the mouse cursor. If you have a very low speed and your mouse has a very high DPI (those two are not the same things), you can move your mouse cursor in really small discrete steps, as opposed to a really low dps mouse where the cursor will literally make jumps of 10 pixels or more as opposed to smooth movements.



the higher the dpi the higher the acceleration also, i prefer low dpi every time
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 11:26:31
March 15 2011 11:24 GMT
#31
you can disable mouse acceleration 100% on optical, I know many laser mice have inherent mouse acceleration that is hardware related and cannot be disabled, Steel Series Xai for example. Which is odd because most laser mice have really high dpi, and if acceleration increases with DPI, 5600 DPI laser mice look like a horrendous choice given the problems with laser sensors (eg tracking 6 inches above the surface etc)
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Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
March 15 2011 11:32 GMT
#32
Using a 3500DPI Razer Deathadder with no acceleration nor speed increase on StarCraft settings and Windows settings.
I feel like those speed increases jump pixels, which is never good. It makes you feel like your mouse is faster, but not precise.
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Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
March 15 2011 11:35 GMT
#33
I use 3200 DPI, 6/11 windows sensitivity, and 43% in-game sensitivity - 1920x1080 resolution.

I find that upping sensitivity in windows or in-game causes me to be inaccurate. At the same time I prefer relatively high sensitivity, (3200 DPI is much higher than what most people use, despite the slightly reduced in-game sensitivity), as I pivot with my wrist and need to limit the range of motion my hand must make to get cross-screen. I don't want any elbow movement.

Its all based on style though. If you watch moon play, his arm is flailing all over the place, indicating a pretty low sensitivity... yet he is known for having some pretty damn good micro.
MasterJack
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada215 Posts
March 15 2011 11:47 GMT
#34
People have to remember that resolution plays a role in this too.

I'm at 2560x1600 with a 3500DPI Deathadder (6/11 windows, 54% sc2) and it's barely fast enough. Using the same settings on 1280x800 yield totally different results (mouse is 2x as fast).
jHERO
Profile Joined August 2010
China167 Posts
March 15 2011 12:32 GMT
#35
fact is, pro sc:bw and sc2 players, at the topest topest levels dont use their mouse as much as players in the lower levels, rather they use hotkeys to go around the map, which is the fastest way to play

and another thing is most pro anything tend to use very low sensitivity, combined with a big mouse pad for the highest possible accuracy. this is true for cs 1.6 cs:s etc. this is because wrist movement is less consistent and accurate than arm movement.

tldr, get used to low sensitivity if u're planning to go pro in this game
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 12:39:35
March 15 2011 12:38 GMT
#36
On March 15 2011 20:47 MasterJack wrote:
People have to remember that resolution plays a role in this too.


It doesn't just play a "role"...it's everything lol.

As you said, if you are using ludicrous high resolution, then using double the DPI of your friends means nothing at all. It's astonishing how many people throws around with DPI, settings and stuff without actually taking notice of the simple fact that "dots per inch" requires you to also state how many "dots" there are on your screen while playing the game.
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TibblesEvilCat
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom766 Posts
March 15 2011 12:42 GMT
#37
why do you need such preciosn when the size of the pixle box your clicking on to control units is soo big anyways
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Clownz
Profile Joined February 2009
Finland53 Posts
March 15 2011 12:48 GMT
#38
I think the mousepad makes more difference than the mouse or the speed and DPI you're using. I'm using mx518 (1800 DPI) and Ulti-Mat breathe x3 mousepad (soft mousepad).

With a good mousepad my accuracy is spot on and with a bad mousepad mouse movement feels stiff and sticky.
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Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
March 15 2011 12:51 GMT
#39
Just use whatever you're comfortable with. That being said, I think most (but not all) progamers use low DPI/sensitivity for more accuracy, especially in FPS games. If you get a higher DPI mouse and like a fast mouse, higher DPI may help you be more accurate. But ask yourself if you really need it. DPI "stats" are kind of blown out of proportion for marketing I guess. I have a Logiteh G500 that goes up to 5600 DPI or something like that, but I keep mine at 800, 6/10 in Windows and about halfway in SC2.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
March 15 2011 12:58 GMT
#40
I'm using a Razer Imperator with 3600 with 33% sensitivity in starcraft and 6/11 in windows, was pretty hard to get up from 1600 but in the end it feels just way smoother and "balanced out" when you are playing.
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