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So I went to my first LAN ever! Very fun  But I was asking for advice on choosing a new faster mouse than my Diamondback 3G (1800 DPI) because I said it wasn't fast enough. Then they all looked at me like I was stupid. I play with my mouse on LUDICROUS SPEED (Max settings) apparently, but I asked everyone else and they all UNANIMOUSLY said they don't use the max speed, or even more than half sometimes because of the ability to control the cursor.
I play comfortably with the highest settings, and my mouse control is very fine, but still feel its a little slow.
The others have mouses that go up to 5600 DPI, but I really don't see the sense in buying such a mouse if they aren't going to go that high.
What is the point of getting a mouse like that?
I noticed that Pro SC players can move their cursors at the speed of light.
Would a player with high DPI benefit more than a player with low DPI because he doesn't have to take a long time to move around the map? Or would a player with low DPI be better than a high DPI because he can more accurately control his units?
And to others who like high DPI, what is the highest setting you are able to play comfortably?
I have an 1800 DPI mouse and have the Razer settings at 10/10 and windows settings at max, and SC setting at 100%. Still feel its slow. My hand moves about 1cm on the mouse pad to go across a 1920pixel screen, and I feel very comfortable and accurate with it.
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Higher DPI doesn't just mean higher speed, it also means higher accuracy of the mouse cursor. If you have a very low speed and your mouse has a very high DPI (those two are not the same things), you can move your mouse cursor in really small discrete steps, as opposed to a really low dps mouse where the cursor will literally make jumps of 10 pixels or more as opposed to smooth movements.
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Are you sure you're accurate enough with it? With my settings, I take my mouse and can click on the lower right of and move to the upper left of an icon on my desktop in about 2 quick motions. 1 that mostly selects, and another that refines the selection. When I put the sensitivity up much higher though, I find that I take an extra movement to make the start of the box on the lower right, and a few more small moves to get the selection just right in the upper left.
People should experiment with this sort of thing. I'm curious to know how good your mouse handling really is.
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yea just tried, i can do it in two jumps like you
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It all depends on the person, and how much practice you've gotten on whatever sensitivity you're trying out. To get a good idea of how good you are at clicking precisely, the game osu! rhythm is just a click away is a pretty good; so long as you can keep a beat .
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I use 3000DPI and pretty high sensitivity, if I would go above that I would loose a LOT of the precision I have.
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the dpi has nothing to do with pixel jumping... rather the diffrence between windows and game speed, like stated in anther very usefull thread here on TL, so if you acturly listen to that post, you should only be using DPI as a means to adjust your mouse speed. (running 2800 dpi on a mouse able to do 6000)
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I use 800 dpi in windows and for starcraft. I don't think DPI really matters as much as long as you're comfortable with it and you don't skip pixels. In an FPS game however, I max out my mouse at 3200 dpi since the difference between missing a headshot by a pixel and killing the guy matters so much.
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Fingertip mouse. You can use low dpi for more accruacy (800 dpi for most resolutions). The reason you can use less dpi is because the acceleration of a fingertip mouse is much faster than palm. Best kind for sc2 imo.
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I can pick up each rice grain with my chopsticks.
I can't pick up a rice grain with a pair of nun-chucks...
Can you split your workers 1 by 1? Can you properly split your marines?
It's a question of precision vs speed and I really don't think that the speed boost from increasing mousespeed will give more benefit than having accurate mouse movement...
How much time would you be saving by being able to move the mouse cursor to the thing you want to click??? Like 20ms? is your brain that fast that you can fully use the mouse to the fullest capability so that the precision loss is outweighed by the speed you gain?
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement... 800 dpi is 800 pixels per inch. 1600 is 1600pixels per inch. if i take 1 second to move my mouse 1 inch, then I would move faster on the 1600dpi mouse even though my hand speed is the same because the rate at which the cursor moves is determined by DPI.
If you really can play as accurately as a player with a 800dpi mouse with default windows sensitivity, no acceleration, and no ingame mouse speed boost, then I would say go for it. You will spend less timing moving your mouse.
But realistically, I really doubt you're playing the game accurately with those settings imo. esp. if you want a mouse with dpi as high as 5600 or greator. but SC2 isnt that intensive on the micro compared to BW so... I'd say you're fine -.-
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On March 15 2011 17:48 Lmui wrote:
I use 800 dpi in windows and for starcraft. I don't think DPI really matters as much as long as you're comfortable with it and you don't skip pixels. In an FPS game however, I max out my mouse at 3200 dpi since the difference between missing a headshot by a pixel and killing the guy matters so much.
there will never be any pixel skipping if you turn off acceleration and speed all the mousespeeds at default.... playing with 3200 dpi doesnt give you more accuracy. You're understanding it wrong. It's more accurate to think of it as pixel movement on the screen per inch.
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You shouldnt be playing on 11/11 windows settings afaik, cause you wont have a 1:1 ratio on your mouse and you'll have pixel skipping. There's a topic somewhere on the forum that explains this all. Same for starcraft sensitivity, it should be on 51%-54%. You can only change your dpi
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From my understanding of it:
DPI is dots per inch. Therefore you can have any speed mouse and move at any speed per inch (there's an upper limit on lower end mice though). Mouse speed is a filter of dots/ticks. Full speed is no filter, half speed is 50% filter. So basically if you have a full speed 1800 dpi mouse it's the same as having a 3600dpi mouse at 50% speed. However, sometimes the mouse is going to make mistakes and with twice as much detail being read into your mouse movements (and the surface the mouse is on) the 3600dpi /50% filter mouse/setting is going to be a lot smoother and more precise. So therefore it's good to have as high a dpi mouse as possible, since you can then get speed and smoothness.
Personally I use an 1800dpi mouse on max speed (it's sortof medium in sc2 though), but kind've wishing I'd shelled out for a 5600dpi one, it makes a huge difference. Like there's plenty of times when I'm trying to scroll 1 pixel, but it's actually scrolling 2 (and I know my hand is doing the right amount of movement), and no doubt that'd be much reduced on higher dpi mice with a bigger filter.
I guess it's also worth pointing out that screen resolution makes a difference for this too, since it is dots per inch (dots being pixels). So you'll need to use a faster setting on 1920x1080 than 1280x1024. However a higher resolution would be more precise as well.
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pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
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On March 15 2011 18:08 IKenshinI wrote:
pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
I found turning up my mouse speed really helped my playing. I was forced to adapt and be accurate with it, yet moving the mouse to the minimap to move to a location became way faster. I guess with gamers that you find really important, turn it down, and just force your hand to move a lot faster.
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On March 15 2011 18:08 IKenshinI wrote:
pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
This pretty much sums it up. There is no "correct" mouse speed. I used to play cs:s competitively with maxed out dpi (think it was 3200 at the time), max mouse speed AND acceleration. Today I don't have nearly that high settings, but its what worked for me at the time. You can follow advices from as many people as you want, but in the end, it all comes down to what you are comfortable with.
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You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity.
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On March 15 2011 18:21 Phayze wrote:
You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity.
Can anyone actually confirm this?
I always have a quite high speed, and DPI, on my mouse, but don't want to develop RSI's..
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Ideally you want to use high DPI and low sensitivity. That way your mouse is as accurate as possible.
I'm lazy and use 5600 DPI and 6/10 windows sensitivity (and 50% SC2 sensitivity) soooo yeah. I know I should use the same DPI and something like ~10% sensitivity so I can make a lot more accurate mouse decision (the amount of times I box the wrong marines when splitting vs banelings is retarded) but it's so hard to get out of habit.
Also never set your in game sensitivity about 55% or your windows mouse sensitivity about 6/10.
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On March 15 2011 17:52 nitdkim wrote:
I can pick up each rice grain with my chopsticks.
I can't pick up a rice grain with a pair of nun-chucks...
Can you split your workers 1 by 1? Can you properly split your marines?
It's a question of precision vs speed and I really don't think that the speed boost from increasing mousespeed will give more benefit than having accurate mouse movement...
How much time would you be saving by being able to move the mouse cursor to the thing you want to click??? Like 20ms? is your brain that fast that you can fully use the mouse to the fullest capability so that the precision loss is outweighed by the speed you gain?
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement... 800 dpi is 800 pixels per inch. 1600 is 1600pixels per inch. if i take 1 second to move my mouse 1 inch, then I would move faster on the 1600dpi mouse even though my hand speed is the same because the rate at which the cursor moves is determined by DPI.
If you really can play as accurately as a player with a 800dpi mouse with default windows sensitivity, no acceleration, and no ingame mouse speed boost, then I would say go for it. You will spend less timing moving your mouse.
But realistically, I really doubt you're playing the game accurately with those settings imo. esp. if you want a mouse with dpi as high as 5600 or greator. but SC2 isnt that intensive on the micro compared to BW so... I'd say you're fine -.-
i tryid it lol. Was funny and it worked! But iswitched back to a spoon cause it is way easyer 
DPI @ 3000. Windows mouse settings on 6/11. Dno if it is good, i am finy with it ^^
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