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So I went to my first LAN ever! Very fun  But I was asking for advice on choosing a new faster mouse than my Diamondback 3G (1800 DPI) because I said it wasn't fast enough. Then they all looked at me like I was stupid. I play with my mouse on LUDICROUS SPEED (Max settings) apparently, but I asked everyone else and they all UNANIMOUSLY said they don't use the max speed, or even more than half sometimes because of the ability to control the cursor.
I play comfortably with the highest settings, and my mouse control is very fine, but still feel its a little slow.
The others have mouses that go up to 5600 DPI, but I really don't see the sense in buying such a mouse if they aren't going to go that high.
What is the point of getting a mouse like that?
I noticed that Pro SC players can move their cursors at the speed of light.
Would a player with high DPI benefit more than a player with low DPI because he doesn't have to take a long time to move around the map? Or would a player with low DPI be better than a high DPI because he can more accurately control his units?
And to others who like high DPI, what is the highest setting you are able to play comfortably?
I have an 1800 DPI mouse and have the Razer settings at 10/10 and windows settings at max, and SC setting at 100%. Still feel its slow. My hand moves about 1cm on the mouse pad to go across a 1920pixel screen, and I feel very comfortable and accurate with it.
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Higher DPI doesn't just mean higher speed, it also means higher accuracy of the mouse cursor. If you have a very low speed and your mouse has a very high DPI (those two are not the same things), you can move your mouse cursor in really small discrete steps, as opposed to a really low dps mouse where the cursor will literally make jumps of 10 pixels or more as opposed to smooth movements.
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Are you sure you're accurate enough with it? With my settings, I take my mouse and can click on the lower right of and move to the upper left of an icon on my desktop in about 2 quick motions. 1 that mostly selects, and another that refines the selection. When I put the sensitivity up much higher though, I find that I take an extra movement to make the start of the box on the lower right, and a few more small moves to get the selection just right in the upper left.
People should experiment with this sort of thing. I'm curious to know how good your mouse handling really is.
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yea just tried, i can do it in two jumps like you
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It all depends on the person, and how much practice you've gotten on whatever sensitivity you're trying out. To get a good idea of how good you are at clicking precisely, the game osu! rhythm is just a click away is a pretty good; so long as you can keep a beat .
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I use 3000DPI and pretty high sensitivity, if I would go above that I would loose a LOT of the precision I have.
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the dpi has nothing to do with pixel jumping... rather the diffrence between windows and game speed, like stated in anther very usefull thread here on TL, so if you acturly listen to that post, you should only be using DPI as a means to adjust your mouse speed. (running 2800 dpi on a mouse able to do 6000)
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I use 800 dpi in windows and for starcraft. I don't think DPI really matters as much as long as you're comfortable with it and you don't skip pixels. In an FPS game however, I max out my mouse at 3200 dpi since the difference between missing a headshot by a pixel and killing the guy matters so much.
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Fingertip mouse. You can use low dpi for more accruacy (800 dpi for most resolutions). The reason you can use less dpi is because the acceleration of a fingertip mouse is much faster than palm. Best kind for sc2 imo.
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I can pick up each rice grain with my chopsticks.
I can't pick up a rice grain with a pair of nun-chucks...
Can you split your workers 1 by 1? Can you properly split your marines?
It's a question of precision vs speed and I really don't think that the speed boost from increasing mousespeed will give more benefit than having accurate mouse movement...
How much time would you be saving by being able to move the mouse cursor to the thing you want to click??? Like 20ms? is your brain that fast that you can fully use the mouse to the fullest capability so that the precision loss is outweighed by the speed you gain?
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement... 800 dpi is 800 pixels per inch. 1600 is 1600pixels per inch. if i take 1 second to move my mouse 1 inch, then I would move faster on the 1600dpi mouse even though my hand speed is the same because the rate at which the cursor moves is determined by DPI.
If you really can play as accurately as a player with a 800dpi mouse with default windows sensitivity, no acceleration, and no ingame mouse speed boost, then I would say go for it. You will spend less timing moving your mouse.
But realistically, I really doubt you're playing the game accurately with those settings imo. esp. if you want a mouse with dpi as high as 5600 or greator. but SC2 isnt that intensive on the micro compared to BW so... I'd say you're fine -.-
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On March 15 2011 17:48 Lmui wrote:
I use 800 dpi in windows and for starcraft. I don't think DPI really matters as much as long as you're comfortable with it and you don't skip pixels. In an FPS game however, I max out my mouse at 3200 dpi since the difference between missing a headshot by a pixel and killing the guy matters so much.
there will never be any pixel skipping if you turn off acceleration and speed all the mousespeeds at default.... playing with 3200 dpi doesnt give you more accuracy. You're understanding it wrong. It's more accurate to think of it as pixel movement on the screen per inch.
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You shouldnt be playing on 11/11 windows settings afaik, cause you wont have a 1:1 ratio on your mouse and you'll have pixel skipping. There's a topic somewhere on the forum that explains this all. Same for starcraft sensitivity, it should be on 51%-54%. You can only change your dpi
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From my understanding of it:
DPI is dots per inch. Therefore you can have any speed mouse and move at any speed per inch (there's an upper limit on lower end mice though). Mouse speed is a filter of dots/ticks. Full speed is no filter, half speed is 50% filter. So basically if you have a full speed 1800 dpi mouse it's the same as having a 3600dpi mouse at 50% speed. However, sometimes the mouse is going to make mistakes and with twice as much detail being read into your mouse movements (and the surface the mouse is on) the 3600dpi /50% filter mouse/setting is going to be a lot smoother and more precise. So therefore it's good to have as high a dpi mouse as possible, since you can then get speed and smoothness.
Personally I use an 1800dpi mouse on max speed (it's sortof medium in sc2 though), but kind've wishing I'd shelled out for a 5600dpi one, it makes a huge difference. Like there's plenty of times when I'm trying to scroll 1 pixel, but it's actually scrolling 2 (and I know my hand is doing the right amount of movement), and no doubt that'd be much reduced on higher dpi mice with a bigger filter.
I guess it's also worth pointing out that screen resolution makes a difference for this too, since it is dots per inch (dots being pixels). So you'll need to use a faster setting on 1920x1080 than 1280x1024. However a higher resolution would be more precise as well.
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pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
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On March 15 2011 18:08 IKenshinI wrote:
pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
I found turning up my mouse speed really helped my playing. I was forced to adapt and be accurate with it, yet moving the mouse to the minimap to move to a location became way faster. I guess with gamers that you find really important, turn it down, and just force your hand to move a lot faster.
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On March 15 2011 18:08 IKenshinI wrote:
pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
This pretty much sums it up. There is no "correct" mouse speed. I used to play cs:s competitively with maxed out dpi (think it was 3200 at the time), max mouse speed AND acceleration. Today I don't have nearly that high settings, but its what worked for me at the time. You can follow advices from as many people as you want, but in the end, it all comes down to what you are comfortable with.
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You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity.
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On March 15 2011 18:21 Phayze wrote:
You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity.
Can anyone actually confirm this?
I always have a quite high speed, and DPI, on my mouse, but don't want to develop RSI's..
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Ideally you want to use high DPI and low sensitivity. That way your mouse is as accurate as possible.
I'm lazy and use 5600 DPI and 6/10 windows sensitivity (and 50% SC2 sensitivity) soooo yeah. I know I should use the same DPI and something like ~10% sensitivity so I can make a lot more accurate mouse decision (the amount of times I box the wrong marines when splitting vs banelings is retarded) but it's so hard to get out of habit.
Also never set your in game sensitivity about 55% or your windows mouse sensitivity about 6/10.
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On March 15 2011 17:52 nitdkim wrote:
I can pick up each rice grain with my chopsticks.
I can't pick up a rice grain with a pair of nun-chucks...
Can you split your workers 1 by 1? Can you properly split your marines?
It's a question of precision vs speed and I really don't think that the speed boost from increasing mousespeed will give more benefit than having accurate mouse movement...
How much time would you be saving by being able to move the mouse cursor to the thing you want to click??? Like 20ms? is your brain that fast that you can fully use the mouse to the fullest capability so that the precision loss is outweighed by the speed you gain?
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement... 800 dpi is 800 pixels per inch. 1600 is 1600pixels per inch. if i take 1 second to move my mouse 1 inch, then I would move faster on the 1600dpi mouse even though my hand speed is the same because the rate at which the cursor moves is determined by DPI.
If you really can play as accurately as a player with a 800dpi mouse with default windows sensitivity, no acceleration, and no ingame mouse speed boost, then I would say go for it. You will spend less timing moving your mouse.
But realistically, I really doubt you're playing the game accurately with those settings imo. esp. if you want a mouse with dpi as high as 5600 or greator. but SC2 isnt that intensive on the micro compared to BW so... I'd say you're fine -.-
i tryid it lol. Was funny and it worked! But iswitched back to a spoon cause it is way easyer 
DPI @ 3000. Windows mouse settings on 6/11. Dno if it is good, i am finy with it ^^
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Dpi has nothing to do with mouse SPEED, it's dots per inch. Higher dpi doesn't not mean higher speed. Sure, higher dpi allows higher speed, but most of all it is more accurate.
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On March 15 2011 18:35 lundell100 wrote:
Dpi has nothing to do with mouse SPEED, it's dots per inch. Higher dpi doesn't not mean higher speed. Sure, higher dpi allows higher speed, but most of all it is more accurate.
Increasing DPI will increase speed. For maximum precision you want Windows sens on 6/11 and Sc2 on 51%-54%, after that you alter your DPI to whatever speed you want to have.
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DPI and senstitivity are somewhat personal preference in most cases. There are "optimal settings" to get a 1:1 ratio etc but there are differing opinions on what DPI to use.
In sc2 I use 750DPI of the possible 4000 my lachesis can use, I find this to be a nice medium between fast mouse movement and lack of accuracy (If i put it up high i just end up scrolling around the screen instead of playing lol).
For FPS games I have been told I'm somewhat weird with my settings, when I am using a pistol or rifle I have high very DPI so that i can flip around fast to pick off enemies to the side or behind me, but when I get out a sniper rifle I drop the DPI right down so that i can make larger movements without losing my target. This apparently is weird, many people have told me they prefer high DPI for sniping so they can be more accurate, for me high DPI while sniping has the opposite effect.
tl:dr mouse settings are a personal thing, if you are used to a setting you will usually do better with it than another setting. While there might be an "optimal setup" for a particular game, hardly anyone will use those exact settings, we are all different
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I'd be interested to hear what pro gamers use (windows setting, mouse DPI, starcraft setting)
I'm about 120-140APM player, using a RAT7 (5600 DPI) at 2850dpi 51% starcraft setting, 6/11 windows.
Sometimes I feel pretty accurate, sometimes I don't. I'm a diamond player.
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I use 1600 DPI for first person shooters, SC2, and SC1 (Windowed mode, 2x size. 800 DPI if I play full screen). Normal use is 2400 DPI. 800 feels infuriatingly slow with default windows settings for mouse speed. I experimented with 2400 for FPSs and I simply couldn't be accurate with it, even though I stuck with it for a pretty significant period of time. I'm still debating whether I want to use 2400 DPI for SC2 or not. I'll often use 800 DPI if I'm sniping for the extra accuracy, but it sometimes throws me off. For anyone with a logitech G500, I use 15.8 grams of weight. I like a little extra weight, it feels better when I'm playing.
My resolution is 1980x1080, by the way. Since that makes a difference.
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I recently switched from a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 at about 400 dpi to a Razer Abyssus at 3500, with the sensitivity turned down a bunch. It took me a few nights of playing Starcraft to adapt to it, but once I did, I've felt like I'm more successful clicking accurately on units. Ultimately it's a qualitative thing -- maybe just having a different feel has given me some kind of placebo effect sense that things are better, but having more confidence with micro that involves clicking individual units helps my game whether it's a real effect or not.
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im using 2160 dpi with 6/11 windows sensitivity settings and 51% sens in sc2 on a 1920x1080 screen. feels perfect to me, not too slow, not too fast.
my micro has always sucked and will always suck though.  
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On March 15 2011 18:24 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 18:21 Phayze wrote:
You dont want to use high sensitivity, you are less accurate, and contrary to what you may think, moving the mouse hand less is BAD. you end up slowing bloodflow, slowing your hand and having a higher risk to develop RSI's, which are mainly caused by lack of bloodflow. Many players use large mousepads not to restrict movement and use a medium sensitivity. Can anyone actually confirm this? I always have a quite high speed, and DPI, on my mouse, but don't want to develop RSI's..
Well, what he said is certainly true if you are a counterstrike player. Using massive mouse mats and low dpi + low sensitivity will obviously be the most accurate way to use a mouse. I still play SC like that and I'm very quick and accurate in my clicking.
But since most of my gaming experience is in fps I can't really say if that is the official "1337pr0h4x0r" way of using your mouse in rts games.
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I think he wanted a confirmation of the possible medical implications of using high mouse sensitivity. It is certainly true. To add, if you are using high sensitivities you are putting quite considerable more force to grip the mouse, because you have to be so accurate moving the house so little you have to grip quite hard, so added on with moving the mouse less and promoting less bloodflow you are putting alot of stress on your fingers and your wrist. Building blocks of many hand RSI's.
Also dont rest your elbow on an elbow rest Reduces bloodflow in the hand as you are putting pressure on the unlar nerve, which can also cause ulnar nurve compression or cubital tunnel syndrome.
From a FPS perspective low sensitivity is better, I played several CEVO M seasons in CS, and two cevo-P seasons. With RTS you want a medium sensitivity, a sens that will promote accuracy but will also allow you to move from the minimap to the other corner in a reasonable time. Everyone is different but if you are using max dpi on your mouse, and max in game sensitivity it's probably wayyy to high and you will be more likely to develop an rsi.
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On March 15 2011 16:19 heishe wrote:
Higher DPI doesn't just mean higher speed, it also means higher accuracy of the mouse cursor. If you have a very low speed and your mouse has a very high DPI (those two are not the same things), you can move your mouse cursor in really small discrete steps, as opposed to a really low dps mouse where the cursor will literally make jumps of 10 pixels or more as opposed to smooth movements.
the higher the dpi the higher the acceleration also, i prefer low dpi every time
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you can disable mouse acceleration 100% on optical, I know many laser mice have inherent mouse acceleration that is hardware related and cannot be disabled, Steel Series Xai for example. Which is odd because most laser mice have really high dpi, and if acceleration increases with DPI, 5600 DPI laser mice look like a horrendous choice given the problems with laser sensors (eg tracking 6 inches above the surface etc)
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Using a 3500DPI Razer Deathadder with no acceleration nor speed increase on StarCraft settings and Windows settings.
I feel like those speed increases jump pixels, which is never good. It makes you feel like your mouse is faster, but not precise.
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I use 3200 DPI, 6/11 windows sensitivity, and 43% in-game sensitivity - 1920x1080 resolution.
I find that upping sensitivity in windows or in-game causes me to be inaccurate. At the same time I prefer relatively high sensitivity, (3200 DPI is much higher than what most people use, despite the slightly reduced in-game sensitivity), as I pivot with my wrist and need to limit the range of motion my hand must make to get cross-screen. I don't want any elbow movement.
Its all based on style though. If you watch moon play, his arm is flailing all over the place, indicating a pretty low sensitivity... yet he is known for having some pretty damn good micro.
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People have to remember that resolution plays a role in this too.
I'm at 2560x1600 with a 3500DPI Deathadder (6/11 windows, 54% sc2) and it's barely fast enough. Using the same settings on 1280x800 yield totally different results (mouse is 2x as fast).
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fact is, pro sc:bw and sc2 players, at the topest topest levels dont use their mouse as much as players in the lower levels, rather they use hotkeys to go around the map, which is the fastest way to play
and another thing is most pro anything tend to use very low sensitivity, combined with a big mouse pad for the highest possible accuracy. this is true for cs 1.6 cs:s etc. this is because wrist movement is less consistent and accurate than arm movement.
tldr, get used to low sensitivity if u're planning to go pro in this game
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On March 15 2011 20:47 MasterJack wrote:
People have to remember that resolution plays a role in this too.
It doesn't just play a "role"...it's everything lol.
As you said, if you are using ludicrous high resolution, then using double the DPI of your friends means nothing at all. It's astonishing how many people throws around with DPI, settings and stuff without actually taking notice of the simple fact that "dots per inch" requires you to also state how many "dots" there are on your screen while playing the game.
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why do you need such preciosn when the size of the pixle box your clicking on to control units is soo big anyways
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I think the mousepad makes more difference than the mouse or the speed and DPI you're using. I'm using mx518 (1800 DPI) and Ulti-Mat breathe x3 mousepad (soft mousepad).
With a good mousepad my accuracy is spot on and with a bad mousepad mouse movement feels stiff and sticky.
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Just use whatever you're comfortable with. That being said, I think most (but not all) progamers use low DPI/sensitivity for more accuracy, especially in FPS games. If you get a higher DPI mouse and like a fast mouse, higher DPI may help you be more accurate. But ask yourself if you really need it. DPI "stats" are kind of blown out of proportion for marketing I guess. I have a Logiteh G500 that goes up to 5600 DPI or something like that, but I keep mine at 800, 6/10 in Windows and about halfway in SC2.
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I'm using a Razer Imperator with 3600 with 33% sensitivity in starcraft and 6/11 in windows, was pretty hard to get up from 1600 but in the end it feels just way smoother and "balanced out" when you are playing.
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If you want your mouse to be faster than your current mouse then get a higher dpi mouse. Given that that's the case I don't understand why you say you don't understand the point of a 5600 dpi mouse? I smell a stealth brag post here anyways.
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I play on 1024x768 and use 100% sensitivity. One of the things that has made me not want to switch to 1920x1080 is the decrease and change in sensitivity.
100% on 1920x1080 feels too slow for me. I'd prolly eventually get used to it, but I rather want to keep my fast chaotic speed.
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1600 is fine for me but i think 3200 work better if i got used to it. It just the higher up you go, the more sensitive the mouse will react to the shake of your hand muscle (which always exist even at a very small scale) and display it on the screen create you an illusion of things getting out of controll.
I dont think high DPI is good for RTS, it is more like an FPS or war3 kinda thing.
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Slow Accuracy will always trump Fast in-Accuracy. But Fast Accuracy will trump both. The best way to put it.
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I use a wireless mouse with 1000 dpi. I just changed mousepads so right now I'm still trying to adjust...
anyways, the most important thing is the hardware itself. Make sure it's the right weight/comfort/grip for you, then you can work around that and find the sensitivity thats best for you.
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On March 15 2011 22:26 LaLuSh wrote:
I play on 1024x768 and use 100% sensitivity. One of the things that has made me not want to switch to 1920x1080 is the decrease and change in sensitivity.
100% on 1920x1080 feels too slow for me. I'd prolly eventually get used to it, but I rather want to keep my fast chaotic speed.
So get a really high DPI mouse and it will still feel as fast on 1920x1080 o_O?
Having 100% sensitivity results in pixel skipping anyway-.-
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I enjoy having higher DPI + speed because it's much easier on the wrists. After years of gaming I'm starting to feel my wrists become more sluggish, and gladly take any excuse to make the minimal movements.
What DPI do I play at? 4025, with 51% accuracy. The only thing I'm incapable of is doing my scout-worker patrol circle on the minimap, I always aim a little to short causing him to dive into the mineral lines and die.
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On March 16 2011 01:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 22:26 LaLuSh wrote:
I play on 1024x768 and use 100% sensitivity. One of the things that has made me not want to switch to 1920x1080 is the decrease and change in sensitivity.
100% on 1920x1080 feels too slow for me. I'd prolly eventually get used to it, but I rather want to keep my fast chaotic speed. So get a really high DPI mouse and it will still feel as fast on 1920x1080 o_O? Having 100% sensitivity results in pixel skipping anyway-.-
Exactly.
Try playing Osu! with 100% sensitivity and you'll feel those pixels being skipped :p
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Everyone can agree that
6/11 window sensitivity
51-54% SC2 sensitivity
Is optimal since it makes sure you don't skip pixels and have a 1:1 ratio.
It might feel weird to change but it is better. Just like changing inefficient hotkeys to closer ones is better but it will feel/be slower at first until your brain readjusts to it.
Use the DPI to choose how "fast" you want your mouse to be, obviously there is no correct or perfect setting its user preference. If you have a razer mouse, use the razer mouse sensitivity to adjust your DPI and if you max it out at 10/10 then switch on the bottom of the mouse to a higher mechanical dpi and start again at 1/10.
Everyone should be using 16 : 9 as well as their screen resolution too...it shows more of the game than other resolutions.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191998
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i use pretty high DPI, my wrist is the only part of my arm that moves when i play sc2. i think it allows me to play more because my arm doesnt get tired lol
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I use a Logitech G700 @1000dpi with sensitivity at 51% ingame and middle in windows. It can go up to 5600 but I found it hard to get a nice sensitivity setting so I just use it at 1000dpi.
I used to use a Logitech MX1000 which has a max static 1000dpi but it wasn't smooth if you tested it drawing lines and such in paint. But the G700 is very smooth at drawing lines so the accuracy is better even though its also using only 1000dpi setting.
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6/11 windows, DPI @ 4500 , 51% ingame sensitivity.
Its all personal preference, but since you should mostly be using minimap/hotkeys, you don't really need to move a lot.
oh wait, i use xai.. so its 4500 (CPI) LoL
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On March 15 2011 16:15 ieatpasta wrote:So I went to my first LAN ever! Very fun But I was asking for advice on choosing a new faster mouse than my Diamondback 3G (1800 DPI) because I said it wasn't fast enough. Then they all looked at me like I was stupid. I play with my mouse on LUDICROUS SPEED (Max settings) apparently, but I asked everyone else and they all UNANIMOUSLY said they don't use the max speed, or even more than half sometimes because of the ability to control the cursor. I play comfortably with the highest settings, and my mouse control is very fine, but still feel its a little slow. The others have mouses that go up to 5600 DPI, but I really don't see the sense in buying such a mouse if they aren't going to go that high. What is the point of getting a mouse like that? I noticed that Pro SC players can move their cursors at the speed of light. Would a player with high DPI benefit more than a player with low DPI because he doesn't have to take a long time to move around the map? Or would a player with low DPI be better than a high DPI because he can more accurately control his units? And to others who like high DPI, what is the highest setting you are able to play comfortably? I have an 1800 DPI mouse and have the Razer settings at 10/10 and windows settings at max, and SC setting at 100%. Still feel its slow. My hand moves about 1cm on the mouse pad to go across a 1920pixel screen, and I feel very comfortable and accurate with it.
i used to play like this, i recorded myself playing once (not SC2... but still) and holy shit i was so fucking inaccurate.
i was SO comfortable with it, but seriously i died thousands of time not because i didn't shoot first or did a stupid move, but because my aim was fucked up due to not being able to properly place it where i wish it would go. and i never felt it in game, i just thought it was the recoil that messed up or some shit.
today i play 3200 DPI, 3 windows, 23 in game. takes about 5-7 ish CM to get across my 22" 1680x1050 screen. it's still very fast and i can do fast scrolling and movements but since i did this, my accuracy in ALL games have gone up by thousand percents.
seriously, try it, get used to it, you'll never go back. yes you are comfortable now, but you'll be far more comfortable at a lower speed when your accuracy is actually what you're doing with your mouse, not what you manage to do with your mouse
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Hi guys, I got a question, what does the mouse speed in windows have to do with DPI? I know if you turn it up the cursor moves faster, does this mean, that makeing it less than 10/10 is decreasing the DPI? Sorry if its a noob question
Also has anyone used a Logitech M115 or M90?
Just wanted to ask because I am about to get one, and since I am dirt shirt poor, I can afford no better.
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This has nothing to do with your thread, but I thought the title was muta speed high dps vs low dps when I first clicked.
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I use relatively low DPI for my resolution with my G9X. I used to use 1800DPI with a Razer Death Adder but it crapped out.
I use the following for playing at 1920x1080:
6/11 in WIndows
1000 DPI in Setpoint
333 report rate
52% in SC2 menu.
Hot Pink lights (This is important)
When I play BW or other games that are low res I drop DPI to 600. I only go above 1000 in FPSs. I also use no grip or weights so my mouse is tiny and super light.
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logitech g9x.
4 x 7gram weights
smooth black-poly-carbonite case on (similar to some phone cases)
i tell it to not use windows drivers:
point spd: 0
dpi: 5700
ingame mosue sens: 51%
to go diagonal on a 23in monitor 1920 x 1080 resolution is about 3.25-3.75inches
basically, with the flick of my wrist I go from one side of my screen to the other.
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On March 15 2011 17:52 nitdkim wrote:
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement...
but with windows settings you could half that 1/2 : 1 so you have better precision and better DPI... ?
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On August 28 2011 18:29 doktorfrost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 17:52 nitdkim wrote:
DPI is how much pixels you move per inch of movement...
but with windows settings you could half that 1/2 : 1 so you have better precision and better DPI... ?
Which is then rounded into dots per inch... why did you bump?
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i wanna know if high dpi is better when mouse speed is set to slower so it has the same speed..
1) 6000 dpi; Mouse speed: 1/2x
2) 3000 dpi; Mouse speed: 1x
whats better?
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They are the same.. the only reason you want to have high DPI is if you have a large resolution and want a fast sensitivity with it...
Point of reference.. I played UT competitively and with a 3200dpi mouse I used a DPI setting of only 180. 180/3200, 6/11 windows was all the speed I needed.
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It depends where you're setting mouse speed. In Windows, it should always be 6/11. In SC2, I know in the past it upped Windows sens if you moved it past 59% but I'm not sure if it's still the case. Technically they're the same, but I'd go with #2 in case the above problem still exists. You never want to move Windows speed above 6/11.
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On August 28 2011 18:41 pksens wrote:
They are the same.. the only reason you want to have high DPI is if you have a large resolution and want a fast sensitivity with it...
Point of reference.. I played UT competitively and with a 3200dpi mouse I used a DPI setting of only 180. 180/3200, 6/11 windows was all the speed I needed.
but if the mouse has double the information then maybe it is more accurat? or maybe it is even worse cause more data has to be send? i m just asking here.. really dont know much of the details of the electronics and the protocols used in mouse transfer data..
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It's down to the mouse sensor and what it's capabilities are. Listing its max DPI is sometimes a smoke screen by the company to portray "higher" accuracy, when infact it's no different to some of its counter parts. Having the High Dpi is just another way for them to advertise, when really it's as simple as a 2nd mouse sensitivity toggle like windows 6/11.
for example the Steelseries XAI that I have;
You can set DPI from 100-5001. It's native hard DPI is around 1620/5001 I believe. It uses software to calculate your DPI rather than the sensor when you use different settings of DPI, which infact is less accurate than some other DPI settings.
F.e. you want to stick to intervals of 90 dpi with a XAI, because if you set say 104, it will do 90DPI and adjust your sensitivity through software to ~~~104, with room for error. Infact I was using a few tests back in my UT days that it didn't show hardly any difference when I was changing between small increments of DPI until I hit some thresholds.
I would personally suggest using native mouse DPI's if you have a game that allows you to change the sensitivity (not the windows setting), otherwise:
Use 6/11 windows, set SC2 to 51-54% (6/11 windows), and adjust your DPI to the sensitivity that you desire. In case if's a Xai, use increments of 90.
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Speed depends on a number of factors, including individual settings on the mouse itself, in Windows and in the affected game. Even "ehance pointer" affects speed significantly (e.g. in 1920*1080 my 1000 dpi mini mouse stops being playable with it, while the sub-2400 dpis of my cheap A4tech gaming mouse become much more playable than they used to be, 2400 becoming preferable to 3200; but I also switched off acceleration with a registry tweak).
I used to be a big fan of travelling large distances by a minuscule, barely visible movement of the hand. This especially when I had a nice, accurate ball mouse. Nobody else could use my computer. Can't really do that with huge dpis on optical and laser mouse, especially with big screens.
Burst movements may combine well with acceleration, actually, as travelling distance of the cursor is then determined basing on speed rather than actual distance covered by the mouse. Hence, with the right muscle memory, a player can limit himself to delivering short impulses of varied strength, basically. I liked doing that until something changed in my muscle pains and it became more painful than just dragging it (it was the opposite before).
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I play also with pretty high DPI, i have a razer deathadder and i play with max dpi on that and 50% on sc2 and the 4th bar on windows settings.
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dpi have nothing to do with precision its the same as adjust your mouse speed
everything in windows above 6/11 slider give the person positive accelaration
there for there are faster mouses with more dpi to fix that problem for the humans that need more speed without losing precision
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I think this also depends on the game. Even from broodwar to sc2 i use diffrent speed since for me its so much diffrent.
There are so many things that actually have an impact here that its kinda stupid :D.
Pixels, aspect ratios, size of monitor, ammount of details in the game, size of the cursor, minimap size (in rts games), fingers size in relation to mice size, mice weight, pad size, arm size...
I think i covered some of them. The way this affects your gameplay is personal so i cant give "good" settings.
But if you are unsure, get some imposibly fast ums (like the broodwar ghost sniping called 1a2a3a), and test each new setting for at least 1 hour to get used to it. (if you dont get used to it first it will always seem bad).
Or spend countless hours in missionred.
I no longer do that, i just play :D.
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Is there a reason to adjust the sc2 settings before DPI?
Let's say you're comfortable with 800 dpi with 6/11 windows and 54% sc2. Is there a reason to not increase the DPI on the mouse to 1600 and scaling down your sc2 sensitivity accordingly?
Or increasing your dpi to 5600 and further syncing down sc2 settings.
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On October 10 2011 02:27 chipman wrote:
Is there a reason to adjust the sc2 settings before DPI?
Let's say you're comfortable with 800 dpi with 6/11 windows and 54% sc2. Is there a reason to not increase the DPI on the mouse to 1600 and scaling down your sc2 sensitivity accordingly?
Or increasing your dpi to 5600 and further syncing down sc2 settings.
I usually try to adjust in-game settings to match similar game types, and then have a DPI setting for different types of games, but thats just me.
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On October 10 2011 02:27 chipman wrote:
Is there a reason to adjust the sc2 settings before DPI?
Let's say you're comfortable with 800 dpi with 6/11 windows and 54% sc2. Is there a reason to not increase the DPI on the mouse to 1600 and scaling down your sc2 sensitivity accordingly?
Or increasing your dpi to 5600 and further syncing down sc2 settings.
you should always have the SC2 settings at 6/11 windows and likw 54% in sc2 because that way there's no acceleration. The rest you'll set up via the mouse drivers.
I currently use a 1080p screen with Razer Abyssus at 3500DPI and in drivers its at 8.5/10 so that equals around 3000 DPI. If you're a palm gripper / play FPS the higher DPI is useless.
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I guess that makes sense, since any mouse that calls itself a "gaming mouse" will allow you to store different profiles//a way to change dpi on the fly, usually on the mouse itself.
I guess I'm just confused how everything comes together.
You have your DPI or pixels per inch of movement, then you have the windows adjustment (and a box for "enhance precision"?) and then you have the sensitivity adjustments in the games as well as reslution.
It's pretty confusing to someone new to the concept of dpi. I'm looking to buy my first gaming mouse and I want to buy the right one. I love my basic logitech anywhere. I grip it between my thumb and my ring finger and rest my pinky either right below my ring finger or just naturally kind of keep it just above the surface to the side, like I were holding a cup. This gives me a mostly claw/fingertip grip where I pretty much just almost plant my wrist on the table/pad and pivot at my wrist (I'm a guitar player, it's natural) as well as move a little with my fingers, there is a small/medium space between my palm and the top/back of the mouse. Right now I have my sc2 settings pretty high because I don't like making large sweeping movements (I have limited space to operate in too).
Thinking about grabbing a SSeries Sensei or a G9X, though since I'm used to claw gripping I may be leaning more towards the logi.
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On March 15 2011 18:08 IKenshinI wrote:
pick a setting and stick with it until you are pinpoint accurate with it and are able to go anywhere on your screen accurately without thinking about it ~_~ if you have that, then no "setting" really matters, be it dpi or speed
take it from more than a decade ago quake pro, this is bad advice if youre a high level player. having the right mouse with the right sensitivity and no accel or snapping/prediction is extremely important in achieving as close to perfection as you possibly can
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nice and well done necro you got there, son.
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On August 28 2011 18:43 Jibba wrote:
It depends where you're setting mouse speed. In Windows, it should always be 6/11. In SC2, I know in the past it upped Windows sens if you moved it past 59% but I'm not sure if it's still the case. Technically they're the same, but I'd go with #2 in case the above problem still exists. You never want to move Windows speed above 6/11.
Since the thread got necro'd anyway id like to add that the "money window" is 51-54%, and not 59 for 6/11 windows sens in sc2
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so with my 400dpi mouse im basically screwed in terms of accuracy if i go to 8/11 or above?
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On January 01 2012 04:16 ayrsen wrote:
so with my 400dpi mouse im basically screwed in terms of accuracy if i go to 8/11 or above?
Above 6/11 will skip pixels, and acceleration will cause a ton of problems yes. Honestly with a 400dpi mouse just use whatever settings you want on the 1-11 slider, skipping pixels is better than acceleration etc, and 400dpi is far too low for most people to work with.
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On January 01 2012 04:16 ayrsen wrote:
so with my 400dpi mouse im basically screwed in terms of accuracy if i go to 8/11 or above?
Yeah pretty much. Unless you can adjust the DPI.
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I use a Steelseries Xai on a Razer Sphex, with 1000DPI, 6/11, 51% and 2560x1600
I also used a registry patch to disable the Windows mouse acceleration (you can't actually disable it completely in control panel)
Having a high DPI with 1:1 pixel mapping in software tends to mean your mouse cursor moves fast relative to your hand movement. This means you have to have higher accuracy with your hand movements to get the same on-screen accuracy.
So, low sensitivity is more accurate. But you don't exactly want to have to drag your mouse three kilometres to reach each end of the screen either.
So, I'd recommend you put your DPI to a low setting that's high enough for you to move between each screen edge comfortably.
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I use g500 with dpi at between 4000 and 5700 depending on the game but have sensertivty very low I do this to stop pixel skipping this effect is more apparent on larger screens bf3 I have dpi of 5700 and sensertivty at its minimum IMO allowing more accurate control give it a try before you critisize
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Using 1950 Dpi @ 6/11 , and 52% Sc2.
Perfect to me, not to slow not to fast.
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My point was all to do with accuracy not speed I just hate picsal skip
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