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deadmau
960 Posts
I've come down to the Leopold or Filco. The Leopold I'm purchasing from Elite Keyboards and the Filco from KeyboardCo. Given I can get them for equal price which keyboard do you guys think I should get. The Filco I can buy now, the Leopold not till end of March. Although I don't necessarily need any of them right away, I just want to pick the best one. Again price is not factoring in to my decision thanks again! | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
I can't compare with the Leopold (afaik they are really similar), but as price doesn't matter and the Filco is available, you can blindly go for it. | ||
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
So basically you have to consider price (where are you that they are equal in price? In the US leopold is 99+shipping, filco is 130 and up) the detachable usb cord that leopold has, and the slight aesthetic difference in that leopold has a more significant "roundness" to it. And I guess the way the logo looks. I personally think that filco looks slightly better, but given the fact that no US sellers carry filco tenkeyless I'd go for the leopold right now. But that might change by the time I get a chance to get another mech keyboard, so we'll see. | ||
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brumzy
United States85 Posts
Has Filcos and the prices are with DHL shipping already added in. I just ordered my Filco with cherry browns (same exact keyboard as FruitDealers) My 3rd purchase from this store. Great seller. | ||
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m4gdelen4
United States416 Posts
i rely on them a lot for macro and they the f2, f3, f4 keys seem further from #1-#5 than on my keyboard. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:29 m4gdelen4 wrote: just wondering - how do you guys feel about the layout of the f keys on these mechanical keyboards? i rely on them a lot for macro and they the f2, f3, f4 keys seem further from #1-#5 than on my keyboard. Obviously can't compare to your keyboard, but they work fine for me. However I have bound one of the side buttons on my mouse to CTRL so I press that and F2 to save that camera position for example. Pressing ctrl F2 with one hand is very awkward now that I try it. If you bind it to Shift F2 it's fine though. | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
Here's a review on overclock.net: http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/883735-elitekeyboards-replacement-filco-tenkeyless-leopold-fc200r.html | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Leopold TenkeyLess Review Though personally, i would buy the leopold but still use my topre 103UB 55g, elitekeyboards are only selling it for $100 now, its a nice price considering similarities between the two keyboards, filco and leopold. | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
Leopolds are going to be cheaper as they'll be stocked by EK, whereas you need to get Filcos from overseas. Amazon stocks them, but at 150USD you may be able to find a cheaper price from Armygroup or PCHome (assuming they restock soon). Filco will be coming out with the Majestouch 2 in a few weeks/months, so you might want to be on the lookout for that. Not sure what's changed, the guys over at Geekhack have a thread all about the new Filco so you can check there for more information. Good luck! | ||
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deadmau
960 Posts
I think I'll just wait for the Elite Keyboards - CherryMX Brown TenKeyless "OTAKU" Took me awhile to decide between the regular printed keycap Cherry Brown, but the OTAKU is just too cool. I'm hoping I don't run into any issues where having NON-printed keys will actually slow me down lol. Anyone with the OTAKU Filco experience can chime into any potential problems haha | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
On March 08 2011 07:23 deadmau wrote: Thanks for all the help guys, I guess there really is no way to tell which of the two is better till people can get their hands on the Leopolds end of March. I think I'll just wait for the Elite Keyboards - CherryMX Brown TenKeyless "OTAKU" Took me awhile to decide between the regular printed keycap Cherry Brown, but the OTAKU is just too cool. I'm hoping I don't run into any issues where having NON-printed keys will actually slow me down lol. Anyone with the OTAKU Filco experience can chime into any potential problems haha Brian from EliteKeyboards has this to say about Filcos versus Leopolds. Very detailed review from the man himself. As for printed versus non-printed issue: I'm a touch typist myself and don't have any issues with regular typing. But when it comes to looking for symbols, I have to look down at my keyboard. And when playing SC2, there are occasions where I also look down at my keyboard to make sure my hands are on the right keys as they're positioned differently than when I am typing. It's just a mental thing for me to have the prints on there, but YMMV. If they had black on black keycaps available for purchase like the ones on the HHKB topre boards or the Ducky 1087 boards, I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. | ||
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ReadySteady
Netherlands34 Posts
 and sixty review on geekhack convinced me too to get the leopold. However I would be equally satisfied if I bought a filco if the leopold did not exist  btw I have korean layout keyboard and it is awesome :D | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
On March 08 2011 08:45 hitman133 wrote: Does Leopold has white tenkeyless, blue switch ? I'm unsure, but it looks as though EliteKeyboards will only carry Black Tenkeyless Brown, Blue, and Brown "OTAKU" keycaps initially at the end of this month. I suggest contacting their support team for a quick answer. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:24 brumzy wrote: http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/803343 Has Filcos and the prices are with DHL shipping already added in. I just ordered my Filco with cherry browns (same exact keyboard as FruitDealers) My 3rd purchase from this store. Great seller. Except for the fact that it's ridiculously overpriced? o_O | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On March 08 2011 00:24 brumzy wrote: http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/803343 Has Filcos and the prices are with DHL shipping already added in. I just ordered my Filco with cherry browns (same exact keyboard as FruitDealers) My 3rd purchase from this store. Great seller. I hope you realize that amazon now sells filcos for a lot less. On March 08 2011 08:45 hitman133 wrote: Does Leopold has white tenkeyless, blue switch ? White as in the color of the keyboard? No. Currently, there are black tenkeyless blue and brown switches and an 'otaku' version of the brown which just means that the keys are blank. They will eventually have fullsize keyboards and they are also considering cherry red keys which are linear like blacks, but have a actuation force less than a brown. | ||
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krazymunky
United States727 Posts
On March 08 2011 11:23 EZjijy wrote: I hope you realize that amazon now sells filcos for a lot less. lol that guy was trolling and was advertising. thats why it was closed. depends where you live. if youre in the US. go to amazon. if europe i would say keyboardco. before amazon stocked filcos (from keyboardco) most people bought it from pchome but you would either need to be able to read chinese or use the geekhack guide to order from there. I think pchome still has the $10 shipping to anywhere in the world. | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
Totally waiting for Lepold cause its wayy cheaper | ||
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pandaminion
United States270 Posts
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
I like the keycaps on the leopold better but the Filco "seems" nicer (maybe just because I've used it longer of the two?) Not sure which is betterr but considering you can order the Leopold for just $99 from elite keyboards that may play a role in your decision. Just hard to find Filcos at a decent price anymore in the states....... | ||
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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
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mullerhun
Hungary12 Posts
Which one should i get then? (ive read reviews referred in thread) | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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Virtue
United States318 Posts
I like the integrated lights in the keys that use them, like the caps lock, and the removable cable is great. It even has an attached Velcro tie to keep it tidy when you are transporting it. | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?17967-Interview-with-Carl-Matsu-designer-of-Filco-Majestouch-and-Leopold I have a tenkeyless Filco with blue switches and love it. | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
Gogo leopold! | ||
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Majesty
Iceland33 Posts
I have only tried mine and blackwiddow and I think the blackwiddow sucked compared to my filco no idea how the leopold is | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
Besides, tenkeyless is really good for gaming. The difference is huge and all good IMHO. One can now position the mouse and mouse pad more comfortably (no more extreme right or left placement), especially on a cluttered or small desk. Or use a bigger mousepad in the saved space (probably important to low-sens(itivity) gamers. Typing itself (for forums, for work etc.) also feels vastly better, especially on a cluttered, small desk like mine. I type many hours a day for a living (I'm a translator and was a lawyer before and write code from time to time), so I know what I'm talking about. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/ | ||
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Junbugger
United States118 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On August 26 2011 20:59 NewbieOne wrote: The Black Widow does appear inferior to Filco in terms of quality, although my contact has been limited to pushing the keys through the hole put in the box by design. Same switch as my Filco, similar price, yet a worse feel. Besides, tenkeyless is really good for gaming. The difference is huge and all good IMHO. One can now position the mouse and mouse pad more comfortably (no more extreme right or left placement), especially on a cluttered or small desk. Or use a bigger mousepad in the saved space (probably important to low-sens(itivity) gamers. Typing itself (for forums, for work etc.) also feels vastly better, especially on a cluttered, small desk like mine. I type many hours a day for a living (I'm a translator and was a lawyer before and write code from time to time), so I know what I'm talking about. Quite inferior actually. Press the shift key, it wobbles like a drunk homeless man. Cheap wire stabilizers, something the filco and leopold does NOT have. I'm waiting for a leopold with reds. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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ryan1894
Australia264 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:28 Phayze wrote: Quite inferior actually. Press the shift key, it wobbles like a drunk homeless man. Cheap wire stabilizers, something the filco and leopold does NOT have. I'm waiting for a leopold with reds. The Filco uses wire stabilizers... Yea I agree about the tenkeyless being better. If you desperately need a numpad, then just buy a filco numpad separate so you can place it on the left side of the keyboard... | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
On August 31 2011 15:28 Phayze wrote: Quite inferior actually. Press the shift key, it wobbles like a drunk homeless man. Cheap wire stabilizers, something the filco and leopold does NOT have. I'm waiting for a leopold with reds. Using one of these now if you're interested. Not sure how local supply goes for you though. It's the best thing I've ever used. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17950 | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On August 31 2011 18:44 CooDu wrote: Using one of these now if you're interested. Not sure how local supply goes for you though. It's the best thing I've ever used. http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17950 leopold with red cherries I HATE YOU, those are hard to find anywhere else for a decent price. | ||
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On August 31 2011 18:51 CooDu wrote: First one that PC case shipped was the red cherry, great price too compared to what the usual cost is over here. Not sure if that is expensive for you guys (US) noone sells these boards, and the aussie sites don't ship international  ya, after checking like 5 different taiwan websites, and aussie websites, noone ships internationally without like a $50 increase in price, bleh hopefully elitekeyboards will be smart enough to sell reds, but reds aren't popular in the states | ||
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
On August 31 2011 18:52 Boblhead wrote: noone sells these boards, and the aussie sites don't ship international ya, after checking like 5 different taiwan websites, and aussie websites, noone ships internationally without like a $50 increase in price, bleh hopefully elitekeyboards will be smart enough to sell reds, but reds aren't popular in the states :O I've had the opportunity to to try the cherry reds and they are fantastic. softer blacks is what i would describe them with. however they are usually so much more expensive than brown, blues and blacks, thats why i ended up buying a brown instead ;P | ||
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Slowhand
United States47 Posts
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CooDu
Australia899 Posts
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On August 31 2011 21:36 Slowhand wrote: Red switches are super expensive on Filco boards. They're around the same price as a Realforce. ;_; The Filco w/ cherry mx reds is way overpriced, i think the 10keyless is like $250 on ebay which is so stupid. you can get a fc500r full sized for $115 us, but the only thing is you have to find a supplier that will be kind enough to actually ship the product :S, I have been talking to a AUS and TW supplier in to letting me buy the board and paying the extra for shipping costs, if you can get those leopolds in the US, you can make like a $50 profit from each board. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On September 01 2011 04:39 Boblhead wrote: The Filco w/ cherry mx reds is way overpriced, i think the 10keyless is like $250 on ebay which is so stupid. you can get a fc500r full sized for $115 us, but the only thing is you have to find a supplier that will be kind enough to actually ship the product :S, I have been talking to a AUS and TW supplier in to letting me buy the board and paying the extra for shipping costs, if you can get those leopolds in the US, you can make like a $50 profit from each board. If you (or anyone) ever find a good store to buy the Leopold fc500r fullsize that ship in Canada let me know plz! I'm trying to decide between a Leopold and a Filco but the thing is, so far I can only find Leopold in tenkeyless version and I can find the Filco fullsize but the price is around 160$ shipping included. If I could pay less for a Leopold fullsize I would be happy  | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19029 Posts
I can't really attest as the only time I've used a Filco was a few years ago at my friend's place, and I'm not even sure what switches it had. Regardless, I recommend Leopold because I've had my brown tenkeyless for a while and I love it. Also, if you're a DIY type person you can buy a pair of brown and blue keyboards, then swap all the brown's springs out for the blue's and now you've got a Ghetto Red board (but it still runs you about $250 because you need 2 keyboards and S&H). | ||
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