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On February 29 2012 09:33 Medrea wrote:
Oh I see what your saying.
Blasterion was going on about he needs more DPI than his mouse can give and he is already at something huge like 3600 DPI but his mousing experience is similar to my 450 DPI.
No idea whats going on.
He's insane or his surface (or mouse) is bad. I run between 600-2k depending on the use. Some games have screwy default sensitivities due to console porting and shit. Skyrim, in particular, makes me happy for on-the-fly, since I need 2k for most stuff, but I drop to 600 and use the "sniper mode" to halve that again for lockpicking hard locks.
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Well console ports notwithstanding I mean.
Speaking of shitty surfaces.
When i go to a friends house I dick around on the spare machine he has there. But he switched the mousepad from an actual mousepad from a long time ago.
To this paper notebook mousepad wannabe. The tracking is so bad I cant stand it but he doesnt see the problem since his mousing habits are awful. (7/11 sensitivity)
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Yeah, some people don't think the little things matter. And most of them are so busy being stubborn about it that they won't let themselves notice the difference when they do try the better stuff.
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Well he uses a Mouse Wheel Optical. Which doesnt have enough DPI for him. And the MWO is driverless so you cant adjust the DPI afaik.
The paper notebook seems to limit my maximum move speed, which is high than his so I guess he never notices it.
Having your cursor completely ignore your movements is the most irritating thing ever.
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Oh believe me, I know. That's why I tried a bunch of mats when the vespula got worn shiny by my mouse feet.
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Honestly the only surface I can recommend outside of cloth is a pure titanium surface.
Remember those? I cant seem to find anyone that sells them anymore.
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On February 29 2012 09:25 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 08:45 IPS.Blue wrote:On February 28 2012 22:48 JingleHell wrote:
Incorrect. Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney, with hard and soft making a lot less difference than texture, color, and reflectivity. I used to own a Razer Vespula hard mat. With the textured side, my RAT 7 (Phillips Twin Eye) was utterly useless, with the smooth side, it tracked fairly well, but the mouse feet polished the surface to a semi-gloss in around a year, making it utter shit. I temporarily replaced it with a cloth pad until a QXC Mass could get in.
Basically, as long as the surface is un-textured, it helps, it MUST be a matte surface, and lots of color changes help but aren't mandatory. In fact, in my personal tests, more harder surfaces are bad for it than soft, out of stuff intended to be a mousing surface, as a lot of them have fancy textures or shiny stuff on them. Incorrect. First of all: The Phillips Twin Eye is fundamentally different from the 9500 in the Xai. Ironically PTE sensors do have problems on soft mouse pads: they do track in such a precise way, that they even register when you're pressing a mouse button/listening to bass heavy music. Also: The Xai and generally most mice with the 9500 have problems on cloth pads. To quote maybe the mouse expert on overclock.net (Skylit): "The Sensei utilizes Avago's ADNS-A9500 Laser sensor and while I've had and replaced a handful of 9500 mice in the past, I ultimately came to the conclusion that these mice just suck on cloth pads." However there seems to be hope: the Sensei handles cloth pads significantly better, than all other 9500 mice. Maybe future mice utilizing the 9800 laser sensor will be even better (but chances are not that good, sadly). Still: laser technology has the potential to be the best sensor technology in town. Uhm, no, you're basically just wrong. Texture and reflectiveness are what matters. Obviously, if the mat is shifting around under it, that can cause issues, but that's frequently due to the desk underneath it, or excessive force, not the pad itself. I've had acceptable results with more cloth mats than hard for my RAT. And I went through most of Fry's selection, returning the ones that didn't work well, and in the end, bought a QXC mass. Works better than my old Vespula did, even when it was new. Also, the insanity with a phillips twin eye and heavy bass is only at stupidly high DPI settings, and even then, depends on grip, surface, and other things. I can max my mouse, and, shifting my grip a bit, go from absolute stability to having the pulse in my thumb twitch it. At lower DPI settings, it's still precise, but doesn't get all jumpy. And I did specify my mouse, as I'm aware it's different. But the biggest thing making Phillips Twin Eye what it is is the dual sensor. Lasers still tend to be more picky about surface than optical or ball mice.
You quoted someone who stated that a Xai doesn't track well on cloth pad. You did specify your mouse, but did proceed non the less to state that "Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney". That sounds as if the Phillips Twin Eye is the same as the 9500 of the Xai. Which it is not. The Sensei for example takes up to 12.000 frames per second. Your Philips Twin Eye sensor takes - none. To quote the Philips homepage: Philips Laser Doppler sensors employ laser Doppler self-mixing technology. Laser Doppler refers to the phenomenon that laser light, reflected on a moving target, contains information about the target’s velocity. Self-mixing refers to the fact that a single laser is used both for emitting and receiving the reflected light.
So basically: Your experiments with the PTE can not be applied to Avago laser sensors.
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On February 29 2012 11:53 IPS.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 09:25 JingleHell wrote:On February 29 2012 08:45 IPS.Blue wrote:On February 28 2012 22:48 JingleHell wrote:
Incorrect. Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney, with hard and soft making a lot less difference than texture, color, and reflectivity. I used to own a Razer Vespula hard mat. With the textured side, my RAT 7 (Phillips Twin Eye) was utterly useless, with the smooth side, it tracked fairly well, but the mouse feet polished the surface to a semi-gloss in around a year, making it utter shit. I temporarily replaced it with a cloth pad until a QXC Mass could get in.
Basically, as long as the surface is un-textured, it helps, it MUST be a matte surface, and lots of color changes help but aren't mandatory. In fact, in my personal tests, more harder surfaces are bad for it than soft, out of stuff intended to be a mousing surface, as a lot of them have fancy textures or shiny stuff on them. Incorrect. First of all: The Phillips Twin Eye is fundamentally different from the 9500 in the Xai. Ironically PTE sensors do have problems on soft mouse pads: they do track in such a precise way, that they even register when you're pressing a mouse button/listening to bass heavy music. Also: The Xai and generally most mice with the 9500 have problems on cloth pads. To quote maybe the mouse expert on overclock.net (Skylit): "The Sensei utilizes Avago's ADNS-A9500 Laser sensor and while I've had and replaced a handful of 9500 mice in the past, I ultimately came to the conclusion that these mice just suck on cloth pads." However there seems to be hope: the Sensei handles cloth pads significantly better, than all other 9500 mice. Maybe future mice utilizing the 9800 laser sensor will be even better (but chances are not that good, sadly). Still: laser technology has the potential to be the best sensor technology in town. Uhm, no, you're basically just wrong. Texture and reflectiveness are what matters. Obviously, if the mat is shifting around under it, that can cause issues, but that's frequently due to the desk underneath it, or excessive force, not the pad itself. I've had acceptable results with more cloth mats than hard for my RAT. And I went through most of Fry's selection, returning the ones that didn't work well, and in the end, bought a QXC mass. Works better than my old Vespula did, even when it was new. Also, the insanity with a phillips twin eye and heavy bass is only at stupidly high DPI settings, and even then, depends on grip, surface, and other things. I can max my mouse, and, shifting my grip a bit, go from absolute stability to having the pulse in my thumb twitch it. At lower DPI settings, it's still precise, but doesn't get all jumpy. And I did specify my mouse, as I'm aware it's different. But the biggest thing making Phillips Twin Eye what it is is the dual sensor. Lasers still tend to be more picky about surface than optical or ball mice. You quoted someone who stated that a Xai doesn't track well on cloth pad. You did specify your mouse, but did proceed non the less to state that "Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney". That sounds as if the Phillips Twin Eye is the same as the 9500 of the Xai. Which it is not. The Sensei for example takes up to 12.000 frames per second. Your Philips Twin Eye sensor takes - none. To quote the Philips homepage: Philips Laser Doppler sensors employ laser Doppler self-mixing technology. Laser Doppler refers to the phenomenon that laser light, reflected on a moving target, contains information about the target’s velocity. Self-mixing refers to the fact that a single laser is used both for emitting and receiving the reflected light.So basically: Your experiments with the PTE can not be applied to Avago laser sensors.
Thank you for telling me what I intended my words to mean, since I was unaware. Laser IS traditionally bitchy and whiney about surface. Instead of trying to argue semantics, or talk about technical differences that are only relevant if I let myself be dragged into your semantics argument, you could try providing evidence that I'm wrong. As I'm obviously labelling mine as an anecdote, providing evidence that my anecdote is case specific would be a contribution. Telling me my personal experience didn't happen is wrong. If you can PROVE that the stated limits of that experience put me in a weird niche, I might be convinced. Telling me I'm wrong with nothing supporting it, and expecting me to just ignore the facts sitting on my desk is kind of silly.
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On February 29 2012 09:33 Medrea wrote:
Oh I see what your saying.
Blasterion was going on about he needs more DPI than his mouse can give and he is already at something huge like 3600 DPI but his mousing experience is similar to my 450 DPI.
No idea whats going on.
Yeah I find it weird. I'm pretty sure I've got more screen real estate than him (2 x 24", both 16:10) and I'm doing fine on about 1.2k CPI.
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On February 29 2012 20:15 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 09:33 Medrea wrote:
Oh I see what your saying.
Blasterion was going on about he needs more DPI than his mouse can give and he is already at something huge like 3600 DPI but his mousing experience is similar to my 450 DPI.
No idea whats going on. Yeah I find it weird. I'm pretty sure I've got more screen real estate than him (2 x 24", both 16:10) and I'm doing fine on about 1.2k CPI. Yeah, I agree. I'm fine on 1K CPI for 3 monitors, a 19", 20", and 23".
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Has anyone tried the Zowie AM? I'm looking to replace my WMO and IMO 1.1 that both tragically passed recently and it seems like a very similar style mouse.
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On February 27 2012 11:37 Kambing wrote:
For folk (like myself) that were interested in trying out the CM storm spawn, Amazon has a pretty good deal for it. It's currently listed at:
$60 - $30 - $10 rebate = $20.
Just got my CM storm spawn in the mail. The left-mouse click button squeeked until I played for about an hour with it, and the side buttons wiggle in place awkwardly. That and the fact that it's a little uncomfortable in my hand (I fingertip rather than claw) means it's going back to Amazon. =(
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Anyone know if razer still sells the diamondback 3g? It always says unavailable on their website, if it's discontinued is there anywhere i can still get one?
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Was sick and tired of my Kana. I just hate hate hate the TTC switches so much, I find them so hard to press, and the shape wasn't for me, it made my wrist feel strained when I claw gripped it. Just bought an Abyssus and I am sooooo happy with it.
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On March 01 2012 09:36 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 11:37 Kambing wrote:
For folk (like myself) that were interested in trying out the CM storm spawn, Amazon has a pretty good deal for it. It's currently listed at:
$60 - $30 - $10 rebate = $20. Just got my CM storm spawn in the mail. The left-mouse click button squeeked until I played for about an hour with it, and the side buttons wiggle in place awkwardly. That and the fact that it's a little uncomfortable in my hand (I fingertip rather than claw) means it's going back to Amazon. =(
aww. sux that you didn't like the spawn =( i'm using the spawn right now and i think its quite nice
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On March 01 2012 08:16 DannyJ wrote:
Has anyone tried the Zowie AM? I'm looking to replace my WMO and IMO 1.1 that both tragically passed recently and it seems like a very similar style mouse.
Want to know this as well.
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On March 02 2012 00:25 exousia_7 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 09:36 Kambing wrote:On February 27 2012 11:37 Kambing wrote:
For folk (like myself) that were interested in trying out the CM storm spawn, Amazon has a pretty good deal for it. It's currently listed at:
$60 - $30 - $10 rebate = $20. Just got my CM storm spawn in the mail. The left-mouse click button squeeked until I played for about an hour with it, and the side buttons wiggle in place awkwardly. That and the fact that it's a little uncomfortable in my hand (I fingertip rather than claw) means it's going back to Amazon. =( aww. sux that you didn't like the spawn =( i'm using the spawn right now and i think its quite nice
Yeah I'm sad too because I was really looking forward to it with the deal and all.
I think I'm coming around to recommending the g9x for any fingertip grip folk without reservation. The more I play around with other mice (I'm currently using a Kinzu because my g9x broke due to overuse), the more I'm finding how well balanced the g9x is.
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I have a death adder and I really love it.
great mouse, not so expensive. overall, great;
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On March 02 2012 06:04 Kznn wrote:
I have a death adder and I really love it.
great mouse, not so expensive. overall, great;
Yep I agree. While it's true that Razer still has to work on it's quality, I think that people give them too much shit, they make two of the best mice available, and unlike what competitors claim they do, they don't just put fancy lights on their products, they actually innovate, like you can tell they're one of the only companies shifting away from laser, albeit investing into the currently flawed twin-eye sensor.
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