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The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 38
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Medrea
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On February 26 2012 00:45 Blasterion wrote: Damn 450 dpi You must have to use the entire mouse pad. I use the same DPI and I only move the mouse like 1.5 inches to go screenwide. Anyone get the feeling that something is really fucking wrong here? Crazypills.gif | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
I love the grip of my xai, but the tracking is sub par. I've heard good things about the relatively new Zowie AM. How is it guys? Is the sensor any good? | ||
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jackdaleaper
Philippines1216 Posts
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On February 28 2012 19:57 theBALLS wrote: With this mouse being a figment of my imagination, what can I do now? I love the grip of my xai, but the tracking is sub par. I've heard good things about the relatively new Zowie AM. How is it guys? Is the sensor any good? Are you using a cloth mousepad? If you are, you might want to get a hardpad before getting a new mouse. Laser traditionally doesn't track as well on cloth. The AM is using the new Avago 3090, which is supposedly an open source 3888 (DA sensor), so tracking should be pretty good. It has a really low LOD, tracking might be finicky, so if you're thinking about getting the AM you probably should be looking into a specific pad that works with it. http://www.overclock.net/t/1182539/zowie-am-review OH, also GS means glossy sides if you're wondering. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:38 wo1fwood wrote: Are you using a cloth mousepad? If you are, you might want to get a hardpad before getting a new mouse. Laser traditionally doesn't track as well on cloth. Incorrect. Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney, with hard and soft making a lot less difference than texture, color, and reflectivity. I used to own a Razer Vespula hard mat. With the textured side, my RAT 7 (Phillips Twin Eye) was utterly useless, with the smooth side, it tracked fairly well, but the mouse feet polished the surface to a semi-gloss in around a year, making it utter shit. I temporarily replaced it with a cloth pad until a QXC Mass could get in. Basically, as long as the surface is un-textured, it helps, it MUST be a matte surface, and lots of color changes help but aren't mandatory. In fact, in my personal tests, more harder surfaces are bad for it than soft, out of stuff intended to be a mousing surface, as a lot of them have fancy textures or shiny stuff on them. | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:38 wo1fwood wrote: Are you using a cloth mousepad? If you are, you might want to get a hardpad before getting a new mouse. Laser traditionally doesn't track as well on cloth. The AM is using the new Avago 3090, which is supposedly an open source 3888 (DA sensor), so tracking should be pretty good. It has a really low LOD, tracking might be finicky, so if you're thinking about getting the AM you probably should be looking into a specific pad that works with it. http://www.overclock.net/t/1182539/zowie-am-review OH, also GS means glossy sides if you're wondering. Nope. I'm using a SS 4HD. I just don't really like the acceleration on this mouse. No one here has really tried the Zowie AM? Because it ALMOST looks like the perfect mouse. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 00:55 theBALLS wrote: Nope. I'm using a SS 4HD. I just don't really like the acceleration on this mouse. No one here has really tried the Zowie AM? Because it ALMOST looks like the perfect mouse. From their product page: The SteelSeries 4HD is a hard plastic composition specifically engineered for professional gamers who demand extremely consistent precision, accuracy, and stability. The finely textured surface consists of tens of thousands of light reflecting microscopic points, optimized to enhance the tracking capabilities of next-generation gaming mice. http://steelseries.com/us/products/surfaces/steelseries-4hd I can almost guarantee it's your pad, no matter how they hype it. There's a reason the vast majority of their sponsored players use the QXC. Reflection is terrible for laser. | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
So does the old Kinzu not work on a newer system with windows 7 or am I missing something? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 01:20 Kevan wrote: I have an old Steelseries Kinzu lying around but it doesn't work. When I plug it in it says that the device is not detected or that the drivers for the mouse couldn't be installed. So I went and downloaded the drivers from their website and I have the Kinzu configuration thing installed. Still the same result as before(not detected). So does the old Kinzu not work on a newer system with windows 7 or am I missing something? Does the Kinzu work on other PCs? DIfferent USB ports? Does it work at all, just not with all the fancy stuff, or is it truly not detected? | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
On February 29 2012 01:27 JingleHell wrote: Does the Kinzu work on other PCs? DIfferent USB ports? Does it work at all, just not with all the fancy stuff, or is it truly not detected? It doesn't work on my laptop either(which has windows 7 too) and using different USB ports does not work. And it is truly not detected. And I'm pretty sure that it isn't broken. I think it used to work on my old pc though(which had vista). | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On February 29 2012 01:00 JingleHell wrote: From their product page: http://steelseries.com/us/products/surfaces/steelseries-4hd I can almost guarantee it's your pad, no matter how they hype it. There's a reason the vast majority of their sponsored players use the QXC. Reflection is terrible for laser. Lol so you're saying that the Xai is a good mouse? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 01:33 Kevan wrote: It doesn't work on my laptop either(which has windows 7 too) and using different USB ports does not work. And it is truly not detected. And I'm pretty sure that it isn't broken. I think it used to work on my old pc though(which had vista). You need to test it on another PC with another OS to be sure. The wires could be broken inside the cable without it being obvious. It could be some weird thing, but ruling out a dead mouse first is a REALLY good idea for your sanity. Nothing worse than spending 6 hours trying to make something work because it used to work, and then finally realizing it's actually just dead. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 01:34 theBALLS wrote: Lol so you're saying that the Xai is a good mouse? Never used it specifically, but I know plenty of people do actually like it. What I AM saying is that finding a mousepad that works with high sensitivity laser mice is like trying to do a psych eval on a pregnant woman. And a surface+mouse combo that doesn't work out well with a laser mouse can feel like a serious prediction problem. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:48 JingleHell wrote: Incorrect. Laser traditionally is bitchy and whiney, with hard and soft making a lot less difference than texture, color, and reflectivity. I used to own a Razer Vespula hard mat. With the textured side, my RAT 7 (Phillips Twin Eye) was utterly useless, with the smooth side, it tracked fairly well, but the mouse feet polished the surface to a semi-gloss in around a year, making it utter shit. I temporarily replaced it with a cloth pad until a QXC Mass could get in. Basically, as long as the surface is un-textured, it helps, it MUST be a matte surface, and lots of color changes help but aren't mandatory. In fact, in my personal tests, more harder surfaces are bad for it than soft, out of stuff intended to be a mousing surface, as a lot of them have fancy textures or shiny stuff on them. Incorrect. First of all: The Phillips Twin Eye is fundamentally different from the 9500 in the Xai. Ironically PTE sensors do have problems on soft mouse pads: they do track in such a precise way, that they even register when you're pressing a mouse button/listening to bass heavy music. Also: The Xai and generally most mice with the 9500 have problems on cloth pads. To quote maybe the mouse expert on overclock.net (Skylit): "The Sensei utilizes Avago's ADNS-A9500 Laser sensor and while I've had and replaced a handful of 9500 mice in the past, I ultimately came to the conclusion that these mice just suck on cloth pads." However there seems to be hope: the Sensei handles cloth pads significantly better, than all other 9500 mice. Maybe future mice utilizing the 9800 laser sensor will be even better (but chances are not that good, sadly). Still: laser technology has the potential to be the best sensor technology in town. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Honestly I really dont see the point. I dont think better tracking is something we should be pursuing at all. Better polling rates and full DPI adjustability is something the market should be heading towards. But goddam it people keep treating DPI like its some sort of benchmark. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 08:45 IPS.Blue wrote: Incorrect. First of all: The Phillips Twin Eye is fundamentally different from the 9500 in the Xai. Ironically PTE sensors do have problems on soft mouse pads: they do track in such a precise way, that they even register when you're pressing a mouse button/listening to bass heavy music. Also: The Xai and generally most mice with the 9500 have problems on cloth pads. To quote maybe the mouse expert on overclock.net (Skylit): "The Sensei utilizes Avago's ADNS-A9500 Laser sensor and while I've had and replaced a handful of 9500 mice in the past, I ultimately came to the conclusion that these mice just suck on cloth pads." However there seems to be hope: the Sensei handles cloth pads significantly better, than all other 9500 mice. Maybe future mice utilizing the 9800 laser sensor will be even better (but chances are not that good, sadly). Still: laser technology has the potential to be the best sensor technology in town. Uhm, no, you're basically just wrong. Texture and reflectiveness are what matters. Obviously, if the mat is shifting around under it, that can cause issues, but that's frequently due to the desk underneath it, or excessive force, not the pad itself. I've had acceptable results with more cloth mats than hard for my RAT. And I went through most of Fry's selection, returning the ones that didn't work well, and in the end, bought a QXC mass. Works better than my old Vespula did, even when it was new. Also, the insanity with a phillips twin eye and heavy bass is only at stupidly high DPI settings, and even then, depends on grip, surface, and other things. I can max my mouse, and, shifting my grip a bit, go from absolute stability to having the pulse in my thumb twitch it. At lower DPI settings, it's still precise, but doesn't get all jumpy. And I did specify my mouse, as I'm aware it's different. But the biggest thing making Phillips Twin Eye what it is is the dual sensor. Lasers still tend to be more picky about surface than optical or ball mice. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
It takes a certain amount of force to start moving an object on a surface at all. Less than the amount to keep it in motion. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On February 29 2012 09:29 Medrea wrote: The pulse from your thumb wont really move the cursor will it? It takes a certain amount of force to start moving an object on a surface at all. Less than the amount to keep it in motion. You can get it to work, but it's not a real-world circumstance. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Blasterion was going on about he needs more DPI than his mouse can give and he is already at something huge like 3600 DPI but his mousing experience is similar to my 450 DPI. No idea whats going on. | ||
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