EPTAnyone that has any experience on this issue? I played with the thought of RMA'ing it but there's tons of people who just seems to get another rattling copy of the mouse even though it's supposedly been fixed at a production level (no official source on that, though).
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
Anyone that has any experience on this issue? I played with the thought of RMA'ing it but there's tons of people who just seems to get another rattling copy of the mouse even though it's supposedly been fixed at a production level (no official source on that, though). | ||
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WellCrap
Sweden122 Posts
On September 09 2015 23:52 gillon wrote: So I recently got a g303 and noticed a bit of a rattling noise. I've tried holding down all movable parts and the rattle still persists, so it seems to be coming from inside the mouse. I googled a bit and found that there are quite a few people who's had issues with the sensor lens being a bit wobbly and therefore causing the rattle. Now, I can't really tell if there's an actual effect to this rattle like the ones I've seen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWsuDhmg0KY) but the rattle is there, so it still makes me concerned. Anyone that has any experience on this issue? I played with the thought of RMA'ing it but there's tons of people who just seems to get another rattling copy of the mouse even though it's supposedly been fixed at a production level (no official source on that, though). Yes its a common issue with that mouse. some have managed to fix it by just poking the lens with a qtip, Someone else opened it and used doublesided tape to fasten it. I would try RMA and then try to open it if the second one is as bad. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
On September 09 2015 16:28 writer22816 wrote: Is anyone else here still a fan of the IME 3.0? I bought one from ebay brand new for ~$35 here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Microsoft-Optical-IntelliMouse-Explorer-3-0-9000FPS-25G-54IPS-Optical-Mouse-/281692150940?hash=item4196291c9c Been using it for several months and its still great. It only has 400 dpi but that's all you need for CSGO. It's cheaper than pretty much all the other gaming mice these days and doesn't have any of the useless buttons that just get in the way or make the mouse look ugly (I'm looking at you, Logitech). It also has a nice clean design instead of this gamer LED nonsense that makes you (or at least me) embarrassed to use the mouse in public. Frankly, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the mice companies are completely out of touch with what gamers (or at least what I) want. If I'm paying $40+ for a fucking mouse, I don't want 30 buttons or 4000 dpi. I just want a rock-solid mouse with the build quality to last for many years. On September 09 2015 20:21 Nimix wrote: The new edition is actually 450 dpi. I still have mine and I tried to play with it, but the 125hz kinda sucks and makes continuous movements very jittery for me (I.E. while peeking corners). It's good enough to play with, but I'd rather get a rival for a few more dollars if I wanted a big palm mouse again, if only for the polling rate. But yeah, manufacturers going back to simpler designs and focusing on having a high performance product rather than a fancy 50k dpi rgb lit mouse would be cool. 400-450dpi is in the very low sens range for non-FPS games (like desktop use and starcraft 2). Also for FPS games, the perfect control speed is rather low and limiting, you can't use low sens and fast jerks with those mice otherwise you get imperfect tracking. 125hz mouse isn't really usable with a 144hz screen, as you get extremely jerky movement when turning around. That's due to 19 frames per second being created when there has not been a new mouse poll yet - so even when doing a very sharp turn motion, you will have a frame showing the turn and then the next frame will be generated before the second mouse poll and your character hasn't turned at all from that point; Then the third frame will come and it will spin around more suddenly than expected as the next mouse poll contains like 1.8 frames of movement data (carried over from the last frame which had none) OC'd to ~300hz you have notably higher input lag compared to 1000hz (and on that subject, those mice have non-negligable click latency too) but that issue is largely gone and it's usable for 144hz screen. Ideally you'd have ~1000hz polling for 144hz as ~300hz is on the low side (lacking a bit of consistency, notable latency) and ~500hz isn't wanted because it's a bad resonant frequency with 144hz (3 polls of movement are shown one frame, 4 polls the next frame, 3 polls the next frame, 4 polls the next frame which creates microstuttery turning and artificially increased motion blur) | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On September 10 2015 01:08 Cyro wrote: 400-450dpi is in the very low sens range for non-FPS games (like desktop use and starcraft 2). Also for FPS games, the perfect control speed is rather low and limiting, you can't use low sens and fast jerks with those mice otherwise you get imperfect tracking. 125hz mouse isn't really usable with a 144hz screen, as you get extremely jerky movement when turning around. That's due to 19 frames per second being created when there has not been a new mouse poll yet - so even when doing a very sharp turn motion, you will have a frame showing the turn and then the next frame will be generated before the second mouse poll and your character hasn't turned at all from that point; Then the third frame will come and it will spin around more suddenly than expected as the next mouse poll contains like 1.8 frames of movement data (carried over from the last frame which had none) OC'd to ~300hz you have notably higher input lag (and on that subject, those mice have non-negligable click latency too) but that issue is largely gone and it's usable for 144hz. Ideally you'd have ~1000hz polling for 144hz as ~300hz is on the low side (lacking a bit of consistency, notable latency) and ~500hz isn't wanted because it's a bad resonant frequency with 144hz (3 polls of movement are shown one frame, 4 polls the next frame, 3 polls the next frame, 4 polls the next frame which creates microstuttery turning and artificially increased motion blur) Nevermind, I guess joke's on me when I upgrade to a 144 hz monitor next year. What would be the natural successor to someone who likes the IME's shape then? The SS Rival? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
they were great mice but just a lot of little things adding up to make them awkward to use and limited in todays gaming | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 10 2015 02:25 writer22816 wrote: Nevermind, I guess joke's on me when I upgrade to a 144 hz monitor next year. What would be the natural successor to someone who likes the IME's shape then? The SS Rival? You could also try to overclock the USB connection to the mouse. There's drivers for that for Windows 7, and maybe someone will eventually get a version of those hacked drivers to run on Windows 10 now that more people stop using Windows 7. | ||
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WellCrap
Sweden122 Posts
EC series like nimix said. The Asus mouse with the replaceable switches maybe? I know some people that went IME-> deathadder. I'd try a rival, they seem to be fairly solidly built with a shape that a lot of people find to work well, no major button delay. Looks pretty imo. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
As is is, I'm on windows 10 now and have not messed around with overlocking the ports. The newer zowie mice are all driverless which I prefer as well. The DA is still a great mouse, albeit a bit heavy for my tastes. The rival is in the same situtation, I dislike heavy mice so I don't use it. I haven't checked out the new one. I would just reccomend getting an Fk2/Fk1 If I were in the market for mice. The Kinzu V3 looks pretty decent as well, unfortunately it appears they discontinued the kana line which was the most similar to the old WMO  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
On September 10 2015 05:16 Ropid wrote: You could also try to overclock the USB connection to the mouse. There's drivers for that for Windows 7, and maybe someone will eventually get a version of those hacked drivers to run on Windows 10 now that more people stop using Windows 7. They never got it working on w8 in the last 3 years AFAIK. When it was working, you'd have to use ~300hz (~500hz max but that's a bad frequency to use with a 144hz screen, maybe use 500hz with screen at 120) and accept the low DPI (not neccesarily bad for FPS game but limiting for non-FPS), low PCS (a big problem for a lot of people), minor cursor movement input lag and click delay (at least a slight annoyance) I just don't think it's worth today outside of maybe niche uses. I do have several of these microsoft mice in my house but i can't use them for non-FPS (~400-450dpi too low) or for FPS at my sens range (PCS too low) so i've used them for like a total of 3 hours in the last 5 years. Alucen-Will- have you tried 3366 yet? To be honest, the windows 10 limits (cursor and window movement is always vsynced unless you're playing a game in exclusive fullscreen mode) bother me more than some of the slight differences between sensors - but i don't really think that mlt04 has anything significant over 3366, while it has a lot of downsides. The main problem with 3366 is that it's in two mediocre shells at the moment - i think i'm doomed to get a new mouse once or twice a year forever. Also i think 60 vs 120-144hz dwarves most of the differences between sensors. It often makes me laugh to see r0ach complaining about cursor responsiveness from very minor OS tweaks that i can't detect any difference from at all, while meanwhile he's using a 60hz IPS monitor. The input lag difference alone between 60 and 144hz is large enough to blind test (~27ms vs 17ms in a roughly optimal usage case) and very easy to show with a camera while most of the stuff i've seen for mlt04 is more focused towards "it feels different" than "it's better than this mouse because X". Even then, i've seen a lot of mlt04 guys liking the 3366. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20008 Posts
On September 09 2015 09:21 Cyro wrote: They released new mice of similar sizes with better sensors (in ways that actually matter) I've got a g402 (pretty much same shell as 502) and a 303. The 402/502 forces palm grip and doesn't really let you do much else. The 303 on the other hand is pretty much the opposite as the shape isn't easily palmable, yet it's ideal for claw grips and workable for fingertip. I would consider g9x a fingertip/claw mouse (not palm) though i never used one Not necessarily, I have no problem with claw grip on my g400 and g502 but I also have pretty big hands so it'll vary person to person. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20284 Posts
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
I've heard that logitech g1 and mx300 have compatable feet with the mico so was planning on getting those to replace. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
edit : this kind of stuff http://www.coleparmer.com/Product/Cole_Parmer_Extra_Thick_PTFE_Adhesive_Tape_2_W_60mil_15ft_roll/EW-08277-22 | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
on that note 1. What's your grip style? Claw/Finger hybrid 2. What's your sensitivity? 800 DPi 3. What's your maximum budget? No limit for quality 4. Do you want additional buttons? No 5. What games do you play? Mostly Starcraft 2 some h1z1, csgo 6. Do you mind about prediction? not sure what that is, but pretty sure i dont want it 7. Other relevant information: A fan of small ambidextrous mice, started with a rdm microsoft mouse that comes standard with base comps. Bought a logitech g3 and loved it, then got razer lachesis (got used to it but was really big) got razer abyssus then bought zowie mico and absolutely loved it. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
EDIT: I just found this http://pcwaishe.cn/article-11245-1.html looks like another Chinese mico with way better mouse feet/skates you can order it off amazon but sadly it cant be shipped to my address. Also found the commatech m1 that I can order of taobao. I've had no experience ordering off that site so I don't kno if its trustworthy, also im pretty sure I read that the commatech has angle snapping and i think that is pretty bad for sc2 no? link to commatech http://world.taobao.com/item/18978471149.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a312a.7700824.w4004-10093786801.8.q2LavB | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
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