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Mafs
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada458 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 19:57:53
June 06 2014 16:15 GMT
#3401
Guys I'm looking for a new mouse since mine recently isn't working properly.

I had an Ikari for about a year until it broke/something inside it fried after a power outage but that doesn't make sense since on 1 computer it works fine, and on mine it doesn't work at all (unrecognized driver issue or something). Tried many times to put it back on my computer but has failed 90% of the attempts, 10% of the time it works somehow for no reason.

After that I got an M510 which has been great for over a year now but the scroll button isn't as sensitive as it used to be.

I have an HD9 mousepad which made a previous mouse I used on it very glitchy and had extremely poor tracking. I found a nice $20 mouse but have no clue if it will work on the mouse pad because its optical and since its $20 I don't know if it will break in a month.

I'm looking for a mouse that probably won't break for years unless I try to purposely break it by throwing it at walls and putting it under water and still has decent tracking for <50. Never spending 100$ on a mouse ever again unless I know its unbreakable. Or if someone is knowledge able to help me with my Ikari since it still works but won't connect to my computer(maybe I have to take it apart and fix some stuff on the inside?).

Edit: Ikari still broken, probably need to trash it. Got a Delux M555 which is essentially a chinese counterfeit of a deathadder for 1/4 of the price($20). Great mouse, recommend it for anyone. Don't get a deathadder, totally overpriced.
snorsorbet
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
6 Posts
June 07 2014 15:45 GMT
#3402
Hai my mouse broke down it was a trusted companion and I loved using it. It was this mouse:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Pls help me in my search for a new mouse

1. What's your grip style?
Fingertip
2. What's your sensitivity?
low/medium I think
3. What's your maximum budget?
25$ ish
4. Do you want additional buttons?
no
5. What games do you play?
LoL
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yeah
7. Other relevant information:
I'm looking for something which is lighter to click than my previous mouse
v0rtex
Profile Joined November 2011
123 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-07 16:57:14
June 07 2014 16:57 GMT
#3403
Hey recently my mouse broke so I am looking to getting a good one. I have always just had shitty $10 mice but I was looking for something better.

1. What's your grip style?
Fingertip
2. What's your sensitivity?
medium
3. What's your maximum budget?
$60
4. Do you want additional buttons?
I don't really mind but its not necessary
5. What games do you play?
StarCraft 2, Brood War
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
Yes
7. Other relevant information:
I was looking at the Steelseries Sensei RAW, Steelseries Kinzu V2 or Roccat Kone Pure. Any ideas?
Any help is appreciated, thanks!
JD, Snute, TLO, Soulkey, $o$, HerO, Suppy, Hendralisk, MKP, Maru
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#3404
Just got my G400s. Review following soon!
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 07 2014 21:05 GMT
#3405
Just a warning, i bought a G100s a few months ago and while it is really nice, the buttons dont register clicks properly anymore.

I think for a higher priced mouse, this is unaccaptable. I didnt even play Starcraft or League much during this time.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 07 2014 21:27 GMT
#3406
On June 08 2014 06:05 LaNague wrote:
Just a warning, i bought a G100s a few months ago and while it is really nice, the buttons dont register clicks properly anymore.

I think for a higher priced mouse, this is unaccaptable. I didnt even play Starcraft or League much during this time.

Usually Logitech build quality is pretty good, and the G100 is pretty inexpensive. Could it just be a faulted product, a one timer?
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
June 08 2014 00:56 GMT
#3407
No, i have read about this on many forums, but i thought "how bad can it be, MINE will certainly work, its LOGITECH"
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 08 2014 08:39 GMT
#3408
On June 08 2014 09:56 LaNague wrote:
No, i have read about this on many forums, but i thought "how bad can it be, MINE will certainly work, its LOGITECH"

I guess you'll have to ask them to replace it until you end up with one that's perfect. Logitech has three years warranty or so, so it'll be fine in the end.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
June 09 2014 01:45 GMT
#3409
On June 08 2014 09:56 LaNague wrote:
No, i have read about this on many forums, but i thought "how bad can it be, MINE will certainly work, its LOGITECH"


Funnily enough I have never had a problem with Logitech products. I've owned a mini optical, G5, G100, MX Anywhere, and G502. The bad things that have happened were all related to the G5, which had the braided cable worn out and the left/right tilt mouse wheel being stuck (which was my fault due to bad housekeeping) but I fixed that by cleaning it.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 18:31:35
June 11 2014 18:31 GMT
#3410
So I have this weird problem with my new Deathadder 2013, that whenever I reboot my PC, I can't doubleclick anything. The fix is to go to hardware and sound -> mouse. If you open that menu, it begins to work. I have suspected that it might have some conflicts with my old Lachesis software. I uninstalled it but I still think there are some conflicts that's causing my new mouse to behave weird.
<3 bw
Praxy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 16:08:26
June 16 2014 14:40 GMT
#3411
So..... I need some serious help on selecting a new gaming mouse. Hopefully you can help.


1. What's your grip style?
I am a claw grip. Though occasionally I will migrate to finger-tip only.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Medium

3. What's your maximum budget?
I have no maximum budget.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
I don't need any extra buttons. Though I don't mind extra buttons as long as the feel "natural".

5. What games do you play?
Sc2 mostly; however, I have started playing FPS such as CoD ghosts and BF 4.

6. Do you mind angle snapping?
No preference.

7. Other relevant information:
I have tried the Razer Taipan and Death Adder. I like the Taipan for its small, comfortable feel. However the extra buttons felt like they always got in the way. The Death Adder had a much more comfortable, controllish grip; hoewver, the incline/hump felt too high with my claw grip and causes my thumb to hurt.

I was looking at the GX9 and/or Razer Orobus. But not sure if they are good for what I am looking for.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
June 16 2014 14:44 GMT
#3412
I think it's somewhat important to say what kind of sensitivity you use for FPS. A majority of the casual FPS players out of my friends run like 2-5cm for a 180 turn level of sensitivity, while another group uses ~20-45cm for a 180 degree turn. If you're part of the second group, you probably use a mouse way differently in an FPS game than you do in games like sc2 or LoL, including grip etc. It can change requirements quite a lot, and also demands a certain tier of sensor in regards to consistency and the max movement speed that they can track, in order to work well
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Praxy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States32 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 15:35:06
June 16 2014 14:54 GMT
#3413
On June 16 2014 23:44 Cyro wrote:
I think it's somewhat important to say what kind of sensitivity you use for FPS. A majority of the casual FPS players out of my friends run like 2-5cm for a 180 turn level of sensitivity, while another group uses ~20-45cm for a 180 degree turn. If you're part of the second group, you probably use a mouse way differently in an FPS game than you do in games like sc2 or LoL, including grip etc. It can change requirements quite a lot, and also demands a certain tier of sensor in regards to consistency and the max movement speed that they can track, in order to work well


I'd "prefer" to fit into the second group when playing a FPS such as CoD ghosts. From my experience; however, when I amp the sensitivity up that high to do 180 degree turns... I can't aim worth anything. As such I often just keep my sensitivity at medium.

EDIT: Also depends on what type of weapon I'm using. If I'm running around like a crazy man... 2-5cm CM is nice. If I'm trying to hit people from across the map... I won't be able to with 2-5cm CM.
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
June 16 2014 15:10 GMT
#3414
On June 16 2014 23:54 Praxy wrote:
Also depends on what type of weapon I'm using. If I'm running around like a crazy man... 20-45 CM is nice. If I'm trying to hit people from across the map... I won't be able to with 20-45 CM.


That seems somewhat backwards
Praxy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States32 Posts
June 16 2014 15:26 GMT
#3415
On June 17 2014 00:10 Iksf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 23:54 Praxy wrote:
Also depends on what type of weapon I'm using. If I'm running around like a crazy man... 20-45 CM is nice. If I'm trying to hit people from across the map... I won't be able to with 20-45 CM.


That seems somewhat backwards


how? I'm not very well versed in mouse terminology.
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 15:32:32
June 16 2014 15:30 GMT
#3416
Would have thought the lower sensitivity would be better for long distance aiming. If you have low sensitivity turning around quickly can be an issue. For example when I play CoD im normally on my mouses 400 DPI setting but for Quake style shooters I normally do 800
Praxy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States32 Posts
June 16 2014 15:34 GMT
#3417
On June 17 2014 00:30 Iksf wrote:
Would have thought the lower sensitivity would be better for long distance aiming. If you have low sensitivity turning around quickly can be an issue. For example when I play CoD im normally on my mouses 400 DPI setting but for Quake style shooters I normally do 800


I think I messed up on the CM definition... thank you. I will update my post.
I meant that. Thought higher CM meant faster sensitivity... oops.

Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-16 16:01:58
June 16 2014 15:52 GMT
#3418
On June 17 2014 00:34 Praxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 00:30 Iksf wrote:
Would have thought the lower sensitivity would be better for long distance aiming. If you have low sensitivity turning around quickly can be an issue. For example when I play CoD im normally on my mouses 400 DPI setting but for Quake style shooters I normally do 800


I think I messed up on the CM definition... thank you. I will update my post.
I meant that. Thought higher CM meant faster sensitivity... oops.



Nah, everyone just confused here

DPI isn't a method that you can use to determine sensitivity in an FPS game, because one player could use 400 DPI and 10 sensitivity in one engine, and another could use 800 DPI and 5 sensitivity, and their aim would turn 180 degrees with the same amount of mouse movement.


When i say 25cm/180, i mean your character does a 180 degree turn in 25 centimeters of mouse movement, 0.25 meters.


Many people, especially non competitive+researched, use things like fingertips or pivoting wrist to turn in an FPS game, and use only like 2-5 centimeters of movement to turn around completely. That's considered quite normal to them.

The other camp would often call "only" 10 centimeters to turn around a very high sensitivity, with many people using 20cm, 30cm or even 40cm+ in some games to turn around. It's often done because you can learn to move quickly and then it does not seriously compromise the amount of time you need to make quick turns, but lower sensitivity is widely accepted to allow for higher accuracy and far stronger muscle memory


They're so different, that some types of mice are completely acceptable to one group, but very difficult to use for the other


Here's an example of a very low sensitivity:



That's very very low though for snapping around

This sensitivity is listed as 70cm for a 360 turn, which is 35cm/180:



You can use double that sensitivity^ and still fall well into the second group using more than "very high" sens very comfortably. It's just that a ton of people use like 2-5 centimeters for a 180 turn, and a ton more use their hand/arm differently and use like 10-40cm.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Praxy
Profile Joined June 2014
United States32 Posts
June 16 2014 16:14 GMT
#3419
On June 17 2014 00:52 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 00:34 Praxy wrote:
On June 17 2014 00:30 Iksf wrote:
Would have thought the lower sensitivity would be better for long distance aiming. If you have low sensitivity turning around quickly can be an issue. For example when I play CoD im normally on my mouses 400 DPI setting but for Quake style shooters I normally do 800


I think I messed up on the CM definition... thank you. I will update my post.
I meant that. Thought higher CM meant faster sensitivity... oops.



Nah, everyone just confused here

DPI isn't a method that you can use to determine sensitivity in an FPS game, because one player could use 400 DPI and 10 sensitivity in one engine, and another could use 800 DPI and 5 sensitivity, and their aim would turn 180 degrees with the same amount of mouse movement.


When i say 25cm/180, i mean your character does a 180 degree turn in 25 centimeters of mouse movement, 0.25 meters.


Many people, especially non competitive+researched, use things like fingertips or pivoting wrist to turn in an FPS game, and use only like 2-5 centimeters of movement to turn around completely. That's considered quite normal to them.

The other camp would often call "only" 10 centimeters to turn around a very high sensitivity, with many people using 20cm, 30cm or even 40cm+ in some games to turn around. It's often done because you can learn to move quickly and then it does not seriously compromise the amount of time you need to make quick turns, but lower sensitivity is widely accepted to allow for higher accuracy and far stronger muscle memory


They're so different, that some types of mice are completely acceptable to one group, but very difficult to use for the other


Here's an example of a very low sensitivity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlqJlUqz-hA

That's very very low though for snapping around

This sensitivity is listed as 70cm for a 360 turn, which is 35cm/180:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQkRHJDRgA

You can use double that sensitivity^ and still fall well into the second group using more than "very high" sens very comfortably. It's just that a ton of people use like 2-5 centimeters for a 180 turn, and a ton more use their hand/arm differently and use like 10-40cm.



Thank you very much for the clarification. When playing a FPS I "prefer" lower sensitivity. Unfortunately I currently have my mouse set up on my keyboard tray, which only has approx 15-16 CM of room. As such I try to keep my CM at 10-12 (per 180). Occasionally faster if its a faster paced shooter.

I could try moving my mouse on top of my desk for more room, but then my entire hand is elevated. Not sure I like that.

Hopefully I can find a mouse that actually suits me xD
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
June 16 2014 16:19 GMT
#3420
On June 17 2014 01:14 Praxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 00:52 Cyro wrote:
On June 17 2014 00:34 Praxy wrote:
On June 17 2014 00:30 Iksf wrote:
Would have thought the lower sensitivity would be better for long distance aiming. If you have low sensitivity turning around quickly can be an issue. For example when I play CoD im normally on my mouses 400 DPI setting but for Quake style shooters I normally do 800


I think I messed up on the CM definition... thank you. I will update my post.
I meant that. Thought higher CM meant faster sensitivity... oops.



Nah, everyone just confused here

DPI isn't a method that you can use to determine sensitivity in an FPS game, because one player could use 400 DPI and 10 sensitivity in one engine, and another could use 800 DPI and 5 sensitivity, and their aim would turn 180 degrees with the same amount of mouse movement.


When i say 25cm/180, i mean your character does a 180 degree turn in 25 centimeters of mouse movement, 0.25 meters.


Many people, especially non competitive+researched, use things like fingertips or pivoting wrist to turn in an FPS game, and use only like 2-5 centimeters of movement to turn around completely. That's considered quite normal to them.

The other camp would often call "only" 10 centimeters to turn around a very high sensitivity, with many people using 20cm, 30cm or even 40cm+ in some games to turn around. It's often done because you can learn to move quickly and then it does not seriously compromise the amount of time you need to make quick turns, but lower sensitivity is widely accepted to allow for higher accuracy and far stronger muscle memory


They're so different, that some types of mice are completely acceptable to one group, but very difficult to use for the other


Here's an example of a very low sensitivity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlqJlUqz-hA

That's very very low though for snapping around

This sensitivity is listed as 70cm for a 360 turn, which is 35cm/180:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQkRHJDRgA

You can use double that sensitivity^ and still fall well into the second group using more than "very high" sens very comfortably. It's just that a ton of people use like 2-5 centimeters for a 180 turn, and a ton more use their hand/arm differently and use like 10-40cm.



Thank you very much for the clarification. When playing a FPS I "prefer" lower sensitivity. Unfortunately I currently have my mouse set up on my keyboard tray, which only has approx 15-16 CM of room. As such I try to keep my CM at 10-12 (per 180). Occasionally faster if its a faster paced shooter.

I could try moving my mouse on top of my desk for more room, but then my entire hand is elevated. Not sure I like that.

Hopefully I can find a mouse that actually suits me xD


Understandable, but being somewhat elitist, i wouldn't asking for a new mouse, but for a new desk/table ;p
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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