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On October 05 2010 06:18 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote:
am interested in this keyboard was looking it up... what is the difference between the nkro model and the model without nkro? i see it says nkro is just so you can hold down multiple buttons and it registers them all? so without it it still has nkro but only up to 6 keys? i don't really get it if anyone can explain it to me do i really need this nkro model?
The NKRO model allows you to hold any combination of keys- up to 6 over USB or every key on the keyboard over PS/2. No key combination will fail.
The non-NKRO model has a matrix and no diodes like almost every other keyboard out there. It has minimum 2 key rollover (some combos of 3 or more fail).
If you look at the image that started this thread, a pro gamer is getting by fine without NKRO (you can tell because NKRO Filcos have a gold Filco logo, non-NKRO have silver Filco logos). Game designers have been working for years around crappy matrixes and controls are designed with non-NKRO keyboards in mind.
However, NKRO is technically superior and no combo will ever fail.
At the point where I broke 3 digits on a keyboard, I thought another $25 for NKRO was worth it.
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Read this to understand NKRO
Executive summary:
NKRO - you can hold down any number of keys and they'll all register (if connected via PS/2 adapter). When connected via USB you can hold down any six keys plus up to four modifier keys (limitation of the USB interface).
Non-NKRO - sometimes holding down multiple keys means some won't register. Some combinations will work with many keys, some will work with only a few. For example, on many keyboards, you won't be able to use A, S and X simultaneously (I put a link to a testing thing earlier in the thread). Usually this only matters for FPS games.
In the case of Filco, any two keys can be pressed together, even on the non-NKRO versions. For many combinations, three or more can be pressed. You won't notice this limitation during normal typing, and probably not in Starcraft either. You might notice it when performing certain combinations of actions in FPS games (like trying to throw a grenade while crawling diagonally.) The Filco keyboards spotted at GSL were non-NKRO.
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I am getting one of these. Can some one recommend the blue or the brown. I like the click sound, however is the blue like insanely loud?
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It is not insanely loud (quieter than a Model M). There are videos on youtube that give you an idea of the sound.
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Anyone getting a keyboard with cherry MX switches seriously should get black switches. I've tried them all and I've been using black switches since 2005 and it's awesome. So long as you don't mind a bit of clickity clack of course...
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On October 05 2010 06:52 BloodSire wrote:
I am getting one of these. Can some one recommend the blue or the brown. I like the click sound, however is the blue like insanely loud?
It is extremely loud in my opinion. A friend of mine uses the Das keyboard professional. I use the Das keyboard professional SILENT. My friend's keyboard is somewhat disruptively loud. He shares an apartment with another friend of mine, them each having their own rooms. My other friend can always clearly hear my friend typing on his Das keyboard.
I, however, use the silent version. It is by NO means silent, but it is a world of difference from the CLACK CLACK CLACK of the normal Das keyboard. Mine still feels extremely tactile and is a pleasure to use. Its just not excessively loud.
I'm not sure which exact switches the normal das the and the silent use. But I DO know that the noise can be an issue. And in my experience, the quieter ones feel just as good. Its just that some people like their keyboard to be extremely loud for some reason.
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Das Keyboard is Cherry MX blue. Das Keyboard Silent is Cherry MX brown.
On October 05 2010 07:55 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Anyone getting a keyboard with cherry MX switches seriously should get black switches. I've tried them all and I've been using black switches since 2005 and it's awesome. So long as you don't mind a bit of clickity clack of course...
Are you sure you've got blacks? They're one of the non clicky kinds.
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Blues are lighter and have a separate "clicker", with their powers combined they clack like crazy. The clicker actually doesn't do anything except make a clicky sound though, and the tactile feel from the clicker is actually at a different spot to the actuation point.
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i still want jangbi's checkered keyboard.
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On October 05 2010 11:19 geetarzero wrote:
i still want jangbi's checkered keyboard.
Pretty sure he just bought 2 DT35s, 1 black 1 white and replaced the keys.
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On October 05 2010 02:34 gruntrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 02:03 Bosu wrote:Best purchase I have made. I will never buy another keyboard. I agree, my wife bought me one for my birthday. Now I love her.
ROFL - now he loves her 
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I just realized the Black Widow has an unscuplted profile (i.e. it's flat and not cupped like a normal keyboard). That's a major strike against its ergonomics.
![[image loading]](http://drh1.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/razerusa/images/product/gallery/razer-blackwidow-gallery3.jpg)
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what is the special thing of this keyboard??
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An apple a day keeps the Terran away.
His mouse looks funky. Why the weird bump between the palm and the fingers?
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Is that an apple, or a plum?
Looks very plum-esque.
Clearly that is the reason behind his amazing skills.
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just ordered mine yesterday... let the pro gaming experience commence
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it's a Royal Gala Apple; excellent choice as it's got quite the nice taste.
perfect for selling, props to Cool for choosing it.
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I've been looking at getting one of these keyboards for months now. One thing that I'm really curious about is the non-NKRO boards. They do indeed have 2-KRO in certain situations but so does my g15 and I've never run into it. The keys needed to trigger it are combinations I will never use.
I'm wondering if I get the non-NKRO board then one day go to play CS and find I cant press shift(or control)+w+a+r.
Does anyone know of a diagram or document that specifies which keys do/do not cause blockage? Or better yet does anyone own a non-NKRO FILCO that can test?
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On October 06 2010 02:31 leetchaos wrote:
I've been looking at getting one of these keyboards for months now. One thing that I'm really curious about is the non-NKRO boards. They do indeed have 2-KRO in certain situations but so does my g15 and I've never run into it. The keys needed to trigger it are combinations I will never use.
I'm wondering if I get the non-NKRO board then one day go to play CS and find I cant press shift(or control)+w+a+r.
Does anyone know of a diagram or document that specifies which keys do/do not cause blockage? Or better yet does anyone own a non-NKRO FILCO that can test?
i just ordered the non-NKRO model yesterday should get it by the weekend i can check it out then... also was wondering if anyone knows a place where you can order custom keycaps for this board
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