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In case anyone was curious, Fruit Dealer is using a Filco Majestouch "Tactile Touch" with Cherry MX Brown switches. I have the tenkeyless version of this keyboard.
Fruit Dealer's Keyboard
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
In case anyone was curious, Fruit Dealer is using a Filco Majestouch "Tactile Touch" with Cherry MX Brown switches. I have the tenkeyless version of this keyboard. | ||
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torq
United States44 Posts
any1 knows what that mouse is ?? | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
i was already planning to get this or the black widow when it comes out (which uses cherry blue keys) | ||
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rsol
Australia117 Posts
Now I feel like a baller. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Secondly, there's already keyboard topics around, such as with Filcos, and think it could just be mentioned there. Personally I have a Cherry MX browns switch keyboard as well, and don't really care for it too much, but it is pretty nice. It feels like there's more distance to travel with the keys (than rubber dome), and it's pretty hard to tell when the keys are being pressed as well, since browns are hardly tactile at all, which made me pretty disappointed. On October 04 2010 07:51 Zelniq wrote: thanks, good to know i was already planning to get this or the black widow when it comes out (which uses cherry blue keys) If you can, test out a MX blues board before making choice, because I haven't, and think I might like them. There is a bit of talk about key-press hysteresis, but I've heard that it's not a major issue. Black widow is also substantially cheaper than a majestouch as far as I know also. | ||
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Phybur
United States48 Posts
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fisheh
Canada13 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
For typing I personally do not recommend the linear Black switches, though I can't comment authoritatively on their suitability for gaming. The choice between Brown or Blue depends on whether or not you like the clicking sound. I find it irritating personally, but it's really a matter of personal preference. | ||
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x89
United Kingdom276 Posts
Personally I went for the Das Keyboard and if it's similar then it's a good keyboard! | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:54 Xapti wrote: Does this really need it's own topic? If do, it makes more sense to be in general thread than SC2 because this is about the keyboard. If a mod wants to move it, that's fine by me. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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IKenshinI
United States132 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:51 torq wrote:any1 knows what that mouse is ?? Mouse is G9 // G9x by logitech. No real difference between the two | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Bubu
Germany29 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using its a red one. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:03 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I'm not certain, but I believe the apple is a Fuji. lmao! | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
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Grettin
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 http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkbn104meb | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
I didn't recognize HopeTorture's keyboard as anything in particular. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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slowzerg
United States62 Posts
 Anyone see what Clide was using? | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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ChaosShadow
United States79 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:19 QuothTheRaven wrote: That mousepad looks so cheap and terrible. its kespa mosuepad, other then that his keyboard looks really familiar to mine but it obviously cost like 100+$ lol becuz i only bang cheap stuff | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:22 slowzerg wrote: From what I saw from Artosis' GSL qualifier video Tester/sSKS has the same model. I wonder if it's TSL's official keyboard? Anyone see what Clide was using?Dunno, but the funny thing is that the clan has a sponsor called Nkeyboard, and afaik they aren't making those keyboards. But guess they don't have to use their product. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:25 gogogadgetflow wrote: How can one decide between this and the Steelseries 7g? Main difference is in the switches. 7G uses cherry blacks while this one uses browns. The black switches require more force to press than the brown ones, and I also think there is atleast some tactile feedback to the press compared to the 7G that is linear all the way. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
http://www.steelseries.com/products/keyboards/steelseries-7g Any idea how the two stack up? I'm interested in a new keyboard O_O Nice find btw! Gives me a few more options lol~ | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:35 NuKedUFirst wrote: http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkbn104meb http://www.steelseries.com/products/keyboards/steelseries-7g Any idea how the two stack up? I'm interested in a new keyboard O_O Nice find btw! Gives me a few more options lol~ I've got the 7G, and I desperately want to try out a tenkeyless (because I find the numpad useless and in the way) majestouch with brown switches. Mostly because I just think it'd be nicer if the buttons were a tad bit easier to press down. The 7G is still a really good keyboard, though. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
Plus you have to have the red escape key and the lavender WASD kit. | ||
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btlyger
United States470 Posts
Once you start using a mechanical keyboard its hard to switch back. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Hammy
France828 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:42 btlyger wrote: Once you start using a mechanical keyboard its hard to switch back. Set aside the technology, could you explain why that is? Is a mechanical keyboard more comfortable? Or were you just joking? | ||
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Memoria
Korea (South)36 Posts
yeah i guess if i order this 1 ill play like cool wont i ? otherwise 180 bucks wasted .... i guess they bought it kidna cheap or even get paid for using this equipment . no way i korean will spend that much money on a keyboard if can buy a dt35 for 10 bucks... User was warned for this post | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
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rsol
Australia117 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:50 Memoria wrote: HAHAHA 200 bucks for a keyboard yeah i guess if i order this 1 ill play like cool wont i ? otherwise 180 bucks wasted .... i guess they bought it kidna cheap or even get paid for using this equipment . no way i korean will spend that much money on a keyboard if can buy a dt35 for 10 bucks... It's not really a lot when you consider people pay similar amounts for garbage keyboards like the g15 | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:54 SONE wrote: fuji apples, humm too used to RED DELICIOUS Red delicious is like the worst apple you can buy. Its only popular because it can grow most seasons :/ | ||
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Phant
United States737 Posts
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GTR
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
anyway that keyboard looks tasty as well | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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ci_esteban
United States217 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using LOL. Aight close the thread. We're done here. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:06 floor exercise wrote: While at first it may appear to be your run of the mill Fuji apple, a more discerning eye will note its lop-sided appearance and immediately recognize it as an imported York apple. Though I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it is a Fuji this late in the apple season, however just as he requires the tactile feel of a mechanical switch under his fingertips it is unlikely Fruitdealer would settle for anything less than the tart, crisp and flavorful York Imperial especially with $80,000 on the line. I was gonna guess that the apple was a Gala until I saw this and got my socks rocked. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:01 quarky wrote: Cox Orange, boskoop and Granny Smith are the best apples! anyway that keyboard looks tasty as well seriously granny smith??? could it be my favorite? a Pink Lady apple? ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/rGsfQ.jpg) | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:54 Xapti wrote: Does this really need it's own topic? If do, it makes more sense to be in general thread than SC2 because this is about the keyboard. Secondly, there's already keyboard topics around, such as with Filcos, and think it could just be mentioned there. Personally I have a Cherry MX browns switch keyboard as well, and don't really care for it too much, but it is pretty nice. It feels like there's more distance to travel with the keys (than rubber dome), and it's pretty hard to tell when the keys are being pressed as well, since browns are hardly tactile at all, which made me pretty disappointed. If you can, test out a MX blues board before making choice, because I haven't, and think I might like them. There is a bit of talk about key-press hysteresis, but I've heard that it's not a major issue. Black widow is also substantially cheaper than a majestouch as far as I know also. I have a friend who owns keyboards with blue, brown, and blue cherry switches. He hates the blacks and likes the other two equally. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:56 benjammin wrote: this keyboard will make me play better ! !! ! ! ! Maybe not, but it will certainly make your hands feel better. | ||
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McCheese
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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Lemure
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On October 04 2010 09:16 McCheese wrote: what do the switches do? http://www.elitekeyboards.com/support.php?lang=en | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:18 Glasse wrote: inb4 the sales of this very keyboard skyrockets I think elitekeyboards has been making a LOT of money since SC2 was released. | ||
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Arovien
United States123 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:06 floor exercise wrote: While at first it may appear to be your run of the mill Fuji apple, a more discerning eye will note its lop-sided appearance and immediately recognize it as an imported York apple. Though I wouldn't fault anyone for thinking it is a Fuji this late in the apple season, however just as he requires the tactile feel of a mechanical switch under his fingertips it is unlikely Fruitdealer would settle for anything less than the tart, crisp and flavorful York Imperial especially with $80,000 on the line. Didn't know actual fruit dealers were fans of "A Fruit Dealer". Heck, I just admire him because he is the top Zerg player in the world. *bites into an apple* | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:10 gogogadgetflow wrote: seriously granny smith??? could it be my favorite? a Pink Lady apple? Defiantly not pink lady tho they are delicious | ||
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
:-P Let me introduce this: http://shop.de.ts.fujitsu.com/Zubehor/ctl500000040/cp/si500416734/cl1/KB500-Tastatur Super short stroke, superb resistance tuning, awesome looks. Could be a tad lighter when new but after some wear in they are perfect and the "Sanwa" of keyboards for me. sidenote: no keyboard has been made that matches the characteristics of a Sanwa arcade button. It would be awesome. And pro users only ;-) | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:37 aztrorisk wrote: I have a regular keyboard. Whats the difference between a gaming one and a regular one? The gaming one looks fancier. | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:42 illumination wrote: its a waste of money... Take your gf out on a few dates instead Taking your GF out on dates is a waste of practice time though. Which is far more valuable than money. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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ironman31
United States2 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using Looks like a Braeburn. EDIT: Oh damn, floor exercise showed me up. | ||
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monterto
Canada103 Posts
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tetracycloide
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On October 04 2010 09:32 FoxSpirit wrote: :-P Let me introduce this: http://shop.de.ts.fujitsu.com/Zubehor/ctl500000040/cp/si500416734/cl1/KB500-Tastatur Super short stroke, superb resistance tuning, awesome looks. Could be a tad lighter when new but after some wear in they are perfect and the "Sanwa" of keyboards for me. sidenote: no keyboard has been made that matches the characteristics of a Sanwa arcade button. It would be awesome. And pro users only ;-) Notebook feel with soft touch keys sounds really stressful on the hands. Personally I find 'notebook feel' to feel very... ambiguous for lack of a better word. Not exactly the best thing to be feeling when operating a device that needs to be responsive to split second reactions. I supposed I could suffer through it can get used to it but why bother when mechanical keys feel better to begin with? On October 04 2010 09:42 illumination wrote: its a waste of money... Take your gf out on a few dates instead What, you can't afford both? | ||
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United States134 Posts
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FuryX
Australia495 Posts
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:09 CharlieMurphy wrote: seriously, That g9x seemed to bulky. I'll have to try it out at my friends house. when i saw what mouse my friend was using i actually laughed and went "oh shit how could anyone play on a malformed piece of crap like that?" he was using a G9. then one day i tried playing on it. what did it feel like you wonder? It felt like the heavens <3 okay maybe a little to over the top but yeah, it's an amazing mouse, the mousebuttons have AMAZING response and it really goes where you want it to go p.s what's the difference between those "blue" and "brown" key things on the keyboard? | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:05 TheNomad wrote: I enjoy my Saitek keyboard, Cyborg or 2, they both rape and are pretty! Saiteks rank up there in terms of best feel from a rubber dome board for me. Not bad at all. The paint or whatever strips right off the Cyborg's keys though  The Logitech Internet 350 is also decent, along with Keytronic's boards | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:31 lindn wrote: when i saw what mouse my friend was using i actually laughed and went "oh shit how could anyone play on a malformed piece of crap like that?" he was using a G9. then one day i tried playing on it. what did it feel like you wonder? It felt like the heavens <3 okay maybe a little to over the top but yeah, it's an amazing mouse, the mousebuttons have AMAZING response and it really goes where you want it to go p.s what's the difference between those "blue" and "brown" key things on the keyboard? Blue switches have a tactile click during the keypress that indicates activation. Brown switches have a tiny tactile "bump" (difficult to even notice) that indicates activation. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:33 terr13 wrote: I personally think dropping hundreds on mice and keyboards is a waste. There are slight benefits, but for the most part I think it's more about personal preference. If I recall correctly, most SC1 progamers use Logitech Mini Optical and Samsung DT35, which together should cost less than 100, then you have this keyboard for 140 by itself. he just won 80000$, i would buy all kinds of pointless crap with that! | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:49 CaptainFwiffo wrote: So, I was watching the GSL finals and noticed something familiar: In case anyone was curious, Fruit Dealer is using a Filco Majestouch "Tactile Touch" with Cherry MX Brown switches. I have the tenkeyless version of this keyboard. >.> This was in the other keyboard thread. Tester uses one as well. You saw them use it in the offline qualifiers on the artosis cam. | ||
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using Not sure... But it sure ain't a Mac! :O | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:49 CaptainFwiffo wrote: So, I was watching the GSL finals and noticed something familiar: In case anyone was curious, Fruit Dealer is using a Filco Majestouch "Tactile Touch" with Cherry MX Brown switches. I have the tenkeyless version of this keyboard. Holy shit this is the exact keyboard I just bought last week! I'm gonna be so gosu now. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
It's like saying "You can get a used Ford Focus really cheap, why would you get a [your favorite luxury car brand]?" Just because you can get a 15" monitor for $89 or something, doesn't mean someone is wasting their money because they drop several hundred or a grand on a 24" or 30" screen. EDIT: I should add though, I don't think a better keyboard or mouse will make you a better gamer unless your current kb/mouse are in such crappy shape that they're screwing with your play. A quality keyboard will improve the accuracy of your typing, and maybe makes a small difference for high-level gamers. They're also much more comfortable (the principal benefit) and will reduce the risk of RSI. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:44 Gentso wrote: I don't get it... you can feel a click half way through pressing a key with this keyboard? No, there's a tiny bump in the keypress with the one pictured in the OP. The ones with green LEDs have the click. | ||
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:57 Tabbris wrote: Red delicious is like the worst apple you can buy. Its only popular because it can grow most seasons :/ I never said it was good, i said i was used to it. are you a fruitseller? | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:46 SONE wrote: I never said it was good, i said i was used to it. are you a fruitseller? Why do you go out of your way to by something with your money that isnt good when you can get something that is for the same price? And no... | ||
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SONE
Canada839 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:49 Tabbris wrote: Why do you go out of your way to by something with your money that isnt good when you can get something that is for the same price? And no... wow did i hurt your feelings saying red delicious? i don't even like apples, they all taste the same and they make my lips itchy. there i said it. .... ? this isnt even about apples, you just took it too seriously | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:33 terr13 wrote: I personally think dropping hundreds on mice and keyboards is a waste. There are slight benefits, but for the most part I think it's more about personal preference. If I recall correctly, most SC1 progamers use Logitech Mini Optical and Samsung DT35, which together should cost less than 100, then you have this keyboard for 140 by itself. its because you've clearly never used a mechanical keyboard and are not a progamer. its like saying you dont think dropping hundreds on shoes for runners is worth it cuz there are only slight benefits. progamers dont use the DT35 because its the best, they use it cuz its cheap and honestly I think they'd get more bang for their buck if they invested in a decent mechanical keyboard. there are plenty for <100 | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:51 SONE wrote: wow did i hurt your feelings saying red delicious? i don't even like apples, they all taste the same and they make my lips itchy. there i said it. .... ? this isnt even about apples, you just took it too seriously Where did you get the idea that you hurt my feelings? Im just having a talk about some god damn apples. You respond so i replied...simple as that so chill man. . | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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cmh
United States88 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:22 slowzerg wrote: From what I saw from Artosis' GSL qualifier video Tester/sSKS has the same model. I wonder if it's TSL's official keyboard? Anyone see what Clide was using?Clide doesnt have a Filco, I can't remember what he is using at the moment. TSL is sponsored by nKeyboard and near the end of GSL Fruit Dealer used a nKeyboard once vs oGsTOP. After that I figured they all would be obligated to use nKeyboard, but next match Tester was still using his Filco and Fruit Dealer went back to his after that. I'm sure their manager is trying his best to influence them to promote their sponsors, but even having a Filco shows you did a little research for a good keyboard and its hard to make compromises. I can attest to the build quality of Filco keyboards. It feels expensive just holding one. Not a cheap quality on it, and rightfully so when you pay that much for one lol. I used a DT35 for 7 years and my first impressions after getting my Filco was that I probably could of been content using the DT35 and saving $100 USD. That much for a keyboard is hard to justify, but after a week of using the Filco my DT35 will never return out of my closet only to collect dust. Even if you are not a gamer typing on a mechanical keyboard feels great. If you get one don't waste your money on NKRO, when are you really going to need to press 6 buttons down and the same time?! Does anyone here have 6 fingers on one hand? Both Tester and Fruit Dealer have the one without NKRO. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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illgottengains
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On October 04 2010 08:03 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I'm not certain, but I believe the apple is a Fuji. I'm no apple expert, but it does look like a fuji. | ||
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:58 GTR wrote: fuji are the best because they have the crunch factor no other variety of apple has. agreed ^^, and I was thinking about buying this keyboard too. But i'm waiting on my friend's to come, so i can try it out before I buy it. | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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ShivaN
United States933 Posts
If you're in the market for a new keyboard and don't mind spending a good bit on an extremely high quality keyboard, definitely look into getting a Filco! These things are not cheap, you definitely get what you're paying for. The keyboard itself is over 5lbs! | ||
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JIJI_
United States123 Posts
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Drayne
Canada239 Posts
i wasnt sure if it was worth it, but seeing fruit dealer use is really putting the pressure.. i need to buy it now, if filco gave him this keyboard i am total fish. | ||
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Yammiez
Canada186 Posts
If I get what I`m paying for, will I be honestly able to say it`ll last me for 5 yearsÉ I do like clicky blues =D | ||
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IKenshinI
United States132 Posts
On October 04 2010 11:22 cmh wrote: Clide doesnt have a Filco, I can't remember what he is using at the moment. TSL is sponsored by nKeyboard and near the end of GSL Fruit Dealer used a nKeyboard once vs oGsTOP. After that I figured they all would be obligated to use nKeyboard, but next match Tester was still using his Filco and Fruit Dealer went back to his after that. I'm sure their manager is trying his best to influence them to promote their sponsors, but even having a Filco shows you did a little research for a good keyboard and its hard to make compromises. I can attest to the build quality of Filco keyboards. It feels expensive just holding one. Not a cheap quality on it, and rightfully so when you pay that much for one lol. I used a DT35 for 7 years and my first impressions after getting my Filco was that I probably could of been content using the DT35 and saving $100 USD. That much for a keyboard is hard to justify, but after a week of using the Filco my DT35 will never return out of my closet only to collect dust. Even if you are not a gamer typing on a mechanical keyboard feels great. If you get one don't waste your money on NKRO, when are you really going to need to press 6 buttons down and the same time?! Does anyone here have 6 fingers on one hand? Both Tester and Fruit Dealer have the one without NKRO. How many keys does the non-NKRO allow you to press at a time? (including modifiers but listed separate) | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On October 04 2010 10:38 theqat wrote: It's not necessarily pointless. Ret has talked about buying a new keyboard per month or every three months or something to keep his equipment in prime shape. sounds like total overkill , even membranes last for years with good maintenance as i mentioned before im typing on this american made IBM Model M mechanical keyboard made in 1991 , all i do is clean it every few months and it looks and types as good as new the filco looks pretty good , the only downside i see with it is the keys could rub off easier than the ibm (something to do with laser etching vs using ink) and also it has windows keys which isn't preferable.On the plus side it doesn't take up as much real estate and weighs less (better for shipping etc) | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:01 IKenshinI wrote: Mouse is G9 // G9x by logitech. No real difference between the two There's a big difference in tracking but for rts, yes no difference really. If you play fps games at anything but high sens the orignal is not a good choice. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On October 04 2010 17:24 lynx.oblige wrote: That's a huge plus, IMO. Even the 104 key FILCOs take less real estate than a huge majority of the keyboards of it's size. I look at a FILCO and just see efficiency. yes theres less junk keys like sleep , shut down , media keys and all the other clutter they put on keyboards now. if anyone is interested they did make a space saver ibm model m with no numpad keys , there was also an ergonomic model similar to those microsoft keyboards that split in the middle but better build quality.of course these special models don't come cheap or easy to find.probably easier to stick with these modern boards and keep an eye out at charity stores and computer recyclers etc for the older mechanical boards for use as backups or to give to friends etc.it is a shame to see superior keyboards going to landfill when they work perfectly fine. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
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NET
United States703 Posts
On October 04 2010 11:27 Jibba wrote: Cool just made Elitekeyboards a lot of money... No kidding. Was thinking the same thing. I'm using the filco tenkeyless black switch keyboard. It almost makes me wanna get the brown switch. Almost. Many people assume you need to press the key down all they way, but I can barely tap the key and it will be recognized by the computer. I think theres a reason why all the "gaming" keyboards use the black switch... But, it could also be preference. Anyone out there that can help clarify why browns are better for RTS's, because I really don't see them being better then blacks (the extra force needed to press the keys is really dismal, at least imo). | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On October 04 2010 16:59 Yammiez wrote: I feel like I`m in the same boat as above. Been thinking about getting a keyboard for a while, and I did come into some extra money. It would be pretty sweet to have a keyboard I can really rely on. If I get what I`m paying for, will I be honestly able to say it`ll last me for 5 years? I do like clicky blues =D It will defintely last more than 5 years. I still have a DEC mechanical keyboard that was manufactured in the early 90s (can't remember exactly what date). It still works today - my brother is using it. I prefer my Filco with MX browns though and it is going great. Mechanical keyboards are built to last, they don't slide around your desk like a cheap bit of plastic, they are hefty pieces of serious hardware. Once you've gotten used to it for a couple of weeks you will turn your nose up at having to use your friends cheap membrane keyboards, I know I do You will not be disapointed. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 04 2010 17:10 IKenshinI wrote: How many keys does the non-NKRO allow you to press at a time? (including modifiers but listed separate) According to Geekhack's rollover thread, non-NKRO Filcos have minimum two key rollover. I'm not sure of the maximum That's pretty typical for most non-NKRO keyboards though. | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
$134.00 Each O.O' thats unfortunate, actually need a new one but thats a bit too pricey;p | ||
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mikado
Australia407 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:59 mikado wrote: lol that's ridiculous, no way that thing is worth $140, it looks like a $10 keyboard It's what's inside that counts. There are plenty of poorly built flashy keyboards with bad rollover, short lifespans, and miserable feel. On the flashier side, there's the DAS keyboard, the Razer BlackWidow (& BW Ultimate), and Deck keyboards. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:57 ZaaaaaM wrote: Purchase Details $134.00 Each O.O' thats unfortunate, actually need a new one but thats a bit too pricey;p I got the Rosewill RK-9000 for $72 (unfortunately, retail is currently $100 - it may go on sale on October 11th for $80). As far as we can tell it's a Costar board (same body, same warranty seal, rubber feet, same info label spot, almost identical packaging except the branding, etc - I own a Filco Tactile Touch NKRO & an ABS M1, two other Costar boards). The internal board isn't known - the ABS M1 (also a Newegg house brand) used the Costar CST-105A, the Filcos use the CST-104. If I had any ability whatsoever I'd dissect the thing, but trust me, it'd be destroyed. Quality plate mounted mechanical with N-key rollover for under $100. Specs & body equal to that of the Tactile Click NKRO ($146.50 shipped within US) I'm liking the blues, but I wish they had an option with MX browns too. Probably a turnoff to many gamers. I game fine on them, but I'm hardly a professional - I'll freely admit that I'm pretty casual. | ||
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givemefive
United States300 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On October 04 2010 21:59 mikado wrote: lol that's ridiculous, no way that thing is worth $140, it looks like a $10 keyboard Thing that I find funny is people spend hundreds on video cards, cpus, ram, hard drives, massive monitors but then cheap out on the keyboard/mouse. $140 is a small price to pay for not getting RSI 10 years down the track, I spend most of my day in front of my computer for work and then gaming etc at night. $140 is nothing. | ||
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Demi9OD
United States56 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:24 ChaosShadow wrote: The mouse is a Logitech g9/g9x with the precision grip, I'm pretty sure ssks uses the same one too. Cool is not using a grip in that image. That would reduce the bulkiness of the mouse. | ||
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Avokodo
South Africa81 Posts
http://www.vortez.co.uk/contentteller/articles_pages/logitech_g9x_laser_mouse_review,4.html to see for youreself | ||
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:26 Tabbris wrote: Defiantly not pink lady tho they are delicious That is definitely a fuji all the way, it cant be a breaburn because as you can see on the first picture the brown/green/yellowish part doesnt start early enough on the bottom of the apple, although it does on the top. And no one would be using pink ladies at that level, that is such a low-skill apple! Gtr got it just right | ||
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Daewon
127 Posts
On October 04 2010 22:33 Demi9OD wrote: Cool is not using a grip in that image. That would reduce the bulkiness of the mouse. Wrong, he's using the precision grip | ||
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Demi9OD
United States56 Posts
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:21 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I do not believe it is the NKRO version of the Filco; I think the NKRO versions all come with gold logos (though I could be wrong about other odd versions or foreign layouts.) But I don't think NKRO would be a huge benefit, as I don't think you're going to be holding down more than 6 keys simultaneously during an RTS game. All you need for the full NKRO is the USB to PS2 adapter that already comes with it. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:03 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I'm not certain, but I believe the apple is a Fuji. You are correct. | ||
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 04 2010 23:55 sc2lime wrote: All you need for the full NKRO is the USB to PS2 adapter that already comes with it. That is not correct. There are different versions of this keyboard, some have NKRO, some do not. Because the USB HID interface design is limited to 6-key-rollover (plus 4 modifier keys), you must use the PS/2 adapter if you want full NKRO (in practice, you're extremely unlikely to need more than 6-key; you're going to have one hand on the mouse while gaming, and your other hand typically has five fingers). The NKRO versions are about $25 more expensive. The 87-key (tenkeyless) versions are all NKRO, as are the 104 key ones with the gold Filco logo (again, only when used with the PS/2 adapter). The 104 key ones with the silver logo are not NKRO even with the PS/2 adapter. For reference: Filco Majestouch 104-key Filco Majestouch 87-key (tenkeyless) Filco Majestouch numeric keypad | ||
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
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dberube
United States8 Posts
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
Also Tester uses the same board as him...it must run in their training house. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 05 2010 00:59 asdfTT123 wrote: You can't tell from the pic whether or not he's using one with Cherry MX Blue, Brown, or Black switches. Heck, it could even be Red...there's no way to tell from the pic alone. Incorrect. MX Blue Filcos have green LEDs, MX Black Filcos have red LEDs. Since his num lock light is quite clearly blue, it's MX Brown. Since the logo is silver, it isn't an NKRO model. It's a Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch. | ||
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RxBorG
United States505 Posts
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87meb *drool* | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On October 05 2010 01:18 muchadoaboutnothing wrote: Incorrect. MX Blue Filcos have green LEDs, MX Black Filcos have red LEDs. Since his num lock light is quite clearly blue, it's MX Brown. Since the logo is silver, it isn't an NKRO model. It's a Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch. Well, nice catch there. Though those were all Blue LED(since I have a Brown one) NKRO model is just some marketing strategy. Who the hell is gonna press more than 6 keys at the same time in an RTS game? or in any games that I can think of. | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
On October 05 2010 01:18 muchadoaboutnothing wrote: Incorrect. MX Blue Filcos have green LEDs, MX Black Filcos have red LEDs. Since his num lock light is quite clearly blue, it's MX Brown. Since the logo is silver, it isn't an NKRO model. It's a Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch. Are you absolutely sure? I own both a Majestouch NKRO Tactile Touch (MX Brown) and a Majestouch NKRO Tenkeyless Tactile Click (MX Blue) and they both have blue LED lights with the gold logo. Perhaps it's only the care for the Tenkeyless version (w/o numpad) so you might be right. But nobody in their right mind should go for Black or Red switches over Brown and Blue, IMO. EDIT: Nevermind, just checked my Filco Blue board and it's green LEDs. I suppose I thought it was the same since my Browns get all the use. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 05 2010 01:40 Caphe wrote: Well, nice catch there. Though those were all Blue LED(since I have a Brown one) NKRO model is just some marketing strategy. Who the hell is gonna press more than 6 keys at the same time in an RTS game? or in any games that I can think of. NKRO just ensures that any combo will pass. The non-NKRO Filcos, like most non-NKRO keyboards, have minimum 2 key rollover (some combos of 3 or more will not go through) | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
There is a different problem called ghosting where multiple simultaneous key-presses will cause keys to register that you never pressed. For example, you might have several keys on the left side of your keyboard pressed, and suddenly a comma will register out of nowhere. Microsoft keyboards are notorious for this. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On October 05 2010 01:38 OPSavioR wrote: omg all of thier keyboards look so damn good.... http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_87key&pid=fkbn87meb *drool* Best purchase I have made. I will never buy another keyboard. | ||
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gruntrush
Canada134 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:03 Bosu wrote: Best purchase I have made. I will never buy another keyboard. I agree, my wife bought me one for my birthday. Now I love her. | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
I'm curious how these compare to the likes of a Filco, etc. | ||
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OnEMoReTrY
United States99 Posts
From a strictly performance perspective my WPM went from 135 to 165 as it is much easier to type quickly on then a membrane keyboard, and my average APM went from 330 to 400. My gaming performance has improved in part because I am not as lazy anymore because it doesn't take as much effort to do the commands I want to do. This coming from a 1950~ point player so while I am not a pro at sc2, I feel like I'm decent enough that my experience with this keyboard can be taken for what it's worth. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:47 SpaceYeti wrote: On the topic of keyboards, as anyone had a chance to test the Razer Black Widow out? I don't believe they are available yet, but I have to imagine they've demo'd them at various conventions, etc. I'm curious how these compare to the likes of a Filco, etc. People on Overclock.net have gotten the board early- at least one guy in Singapore bought it from a mall. 2 key rollover (comparable to non-nkro filcos), decent software bundle. OEMed by iOne from what we can tell, but no one has disassembled it yet as far as I am aware | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Hazzah
Poland37 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17254 Posts
On October 05 2010 03:28 Hazzah wrote: Buying 'his' keyboard wont make you as imba as he is Exactly. I really don't get people fascination with pro-gamer equipment. If you're bad, no hardware/peripherals in the world are going to help you. If you're good, you probably already have your likes/dislikes when it comes to such equipment and you're able to decide for yourself. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
Very happy with my Filco Blue Tenkeyless btw :D | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On October 05 2010 03:39 Manit0u wrote: Exactly. I really don't get people fascination with pro-gamer equipment. If you're bad, no hardware/peripherals in the world are going to help you. If you're good, you probably already have your likes/dislikes when it comes to such equipment and you're able to decide for yourself. This is actually a very good keyboard and would suit people who type a lot e.g. Programmers, Writers etc, it is not exclusive to gamers. So all in all I would say its a worth well investment. | ||
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rane
Finland17 Posts
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 05 2010 00:25 CaptainFwiffo wrote: That is not correct. There are different versions of this keyboard, some have NKRO, some do not. Because the USB HID interface design is limited to 6-key-rollover (plus 4 modifier keys), you must use the PS/2 adapter if you want full NKRO (in practice, you're extremely unlikely to need more than 6-key; you're going to have one hand on the mouse while gaming, and your other hand typically has five fingers). The NKRO versions are about $25 more expensive. The 87-key (tenkeyless) versions are all NKRO, as are the 104 key ones with the gold Filco logo (again, only when used with the PS/2 adapter). The 104 key ones with the silver logo are not NKRO even with the PS/2 adapter. For reference: Filco Majestouch 104-key Filco Majestouch 87-key (tenkeyless) Filco Majestouch numeric keypad My bad. I thought it was the tenkeyless version. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
Cherry MX Blue - If you like a clicking sound, or you're used to an old-skool mechanical keyboard like a Model M these are the ones for you. Great for typing, great for gaming if you like the clickyness. Has both a tactile "bump" and the clicking sound to let you know it's activated (you don't need to bottom it out like a membrane keyboard). Cherry MX Brown - Similar feel and a little lighter than Blue. Has a light tactile "bump" in the keystroke to let you know it's activated, but no "click". This is probably the "safe" choice. It's quieter than a blue, so if you have a quiet work environment or just don't like the clicking sound. Great for typing or for gaming or any other use other than scuba diving. If it matters to you, both Tester and Fruit Dealer seem to be using Filcos with this switch. I prefer this switch, and I bought my keyboard primarily for typing on all day. It would still be my first choice if I were to get a keyboard primarily for gaming. Cherry MX Black - Linear switch, heavier than Blue or Brown. Some people think these are better for FPS games, but not everyone agrees. Most agree these are inferior for typing. There is no tactile or audio feedback. In theory, you could double hit keys very quickly with this switch with less finger movement if you had a good feel for it. The quietest of the three (even browns tend to be louder than membrane keyboards). Other Cherry colors (e.g. reds, clears) are rare, mostly only found in specialized POS keyboards and the like, probably aren't deserving of any particular mystique. Other switches: Alps - poor man's cherries. A small minority of people really like them. Buckling spring - Old skool, loud as hell clicky keyboards like an IBM Model M. If people hear you typing on one of these, they know you're freaking serious (clackity clackity clack). Topre - Something completely different, all keyboards featuring this switch are north of $200. I've typed on one once, and it's very unique. Very very smooth capacitive switch. Scissor switch - laptop style keyboards. If you just don't know, Cherry MX Brown is a safe bet. You're not going to get one and think "oh, this is rubbish." It will be obvious that you're using a quality, luxurious object. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:18 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: am interested in this keyboard was looking it up... what is the difference between the nkro model and the model without nkro? i see it says nkro is just so you can hold down multiple buttons and it registers them all? so without it it still has nkro but only up to 6 keys? i don't really get it if anyone can explain it to me do i really need this nkro model? The NKRO model allows you to hold any combination of keys- up to 6 over USB or every key on the keyboard over PS/2. No key combination will fail. The non-NKRO model has a matrix and no diodes like almost every other keyboard out there. It has minimum 2 key rollover (some combos of 3 or more fail). If you look at the image that started this thread, a pro gamer is getting by fine without NKRO (you can tell because NKRO Filcos have a gold Filco logo, non-NKRO have silver Filco logos). Game designers have been working for years around crappy matrixes and controls are designed with non-NKRO keyboards in mind. However, NKRO is technically superior and no combo will ever fail. At the point where I broke 3 digits on a keyboard, I thought another $25 for NKRO was worth it. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
Executive summary: NKRO - you can hold down any number of keys and they'll all register (if connected via PS/2 adapter). When connected via USB you can hold down any six keys plus up to four modifier keys (limitation of the USB interface). Non-NKRO - sometimes holding down multiple keys means some won't register. Some combinations will work with many keys, some will work with only a few. For example, on many keyboards, you won't be able to use A, S and X simultaneously (I put a link to a testing thing earlier in the thread). Usually this only matters for FPS games. In the case of Filco, any two keys can be pressed together, even on the non-NKRO versions. For many combinations, three or more can be pressed. You won't notice this limitation during normal typing, and probably not in Starcraft either. You might notice it when performing certain combinations of actions in FPS games (like trying to throw a grenade while crawling diagonally.) The Filco keyboards spotted at GSL were non-NKRO. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
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BloodSire
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:52 BloodSire wrote: I am getting one of these. Can some one recommend the blue or the brown. I like the click sound, however is the blue like insanely loud? It is extremely loud in my opinion. A friend of mine uses the Das keyboard professional. I use the Das keyboard professional SILENT. My friend's keyboard is somewhat disruptively loud. He shares an apartment with another friend of mine, them each having their own rooms. My other friend can always clearly hear my friend typing on his Das keyboard. I, however, use the silent version. It is by NO means silent, but it is a world of difference from the CLACK CLACK CLACK of the normal Das keyboard. Mine still feels extremely tactile and is a pleasure to use. Its just not excessively loud. I'm not sure which exact switches the normal das the and the silent use. But I DO know that the noise can be an issue. And in my experience, the quieter ones feel just as good. Its just that some people like their keyboard to be extremely loud for some reason. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 05 2010 07:55 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Anyone getting a keyboard with cherry MX switches seriously should get black switches. I've tried them all and I've been using black switches since 2005 and it's awesome. So long as you don't mind a bit of clickity clack of course... Are you sure you've got blacks? They're one of the non clicky kinds. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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geetarzero
United States217 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On October 05 2010 11:19 geetarzero wrote: i still want jangbi's checkered keyboard. Pretty sure he just bought 2 DT35s, 1 black 1 white and replaced the keys. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:34 gruntrush wrote: I agree, my wife bought me one for my birthday. Now I love her. ROFL - now he loves her | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
![[image loading]](http://drh1.img.digitalriver.com/DRHM/Storefront/Company/razerusa/images/product/gallery/razer-blackwidow-gallery3.jpg) | ||
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mikou
France24 Posts
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
His mouse looks funky. Why the weird bump between the palm and the fingers? | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Looks very plum-esque. Clearly that is the reason behind his amazing skills. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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Gokain
United States49 Posts
perfect for selling, props to Cool for choosing it. | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
I'm wondering if I get the non-NKRO board then one day go to play CS and find I cant press shift(or control)+w+a+r. Does anyone know of a diagram or document that specifies which keys do/do not cause blockage? Or better yet does anyone own a non-NKRO FILCO that can test? | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On October 06 2010 02:31 leetchaos wrote: I've been looking at getting one of these keyboards for months now. One thing that I'm really curious about is the non-NKRO boards. They do indeed have 2-KRO in certain situations but so does my g15 and I've never run into it. The keys needed to trigger it are combinations I will never use. I'm wondering if I get the non-NKRO board then one day go to play CS and find I cant press shift(or control)+w+a+r. Does anyone know of a diagram or document that specifies which keys do/do not cause blockage? Or better yet does anyone own a non-NKRO FILCO that can test? i just ordered the non-NKRO model yesterday should get it by the weekend i can check it out then... also was wondering if anyone knows a place where you can order custom keycaps for this board | ||
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Vorenus
Brazil1 Post
So the brown ones are actually the best for RTS? Too late now I guess... | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On October 06 2010 02:34 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: i just ordered the non-NKRO model yesterday should get it by the weekend i can check it out then... also was wondering if anyone knows a place where you can order custom keycaps for this board I remember reading a discussion about the caps at http://geekhack.org/ but I don't recall what the conclusion was, you need to make an account to use the search function as far as I can tell. | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On October 06 2010 02:44 Vorenus wrote: Damn, and I just bought a keyboard with black switches (more specifically the Steelseries 6Gv2) because I thought they were the best for gaming So the brown ones are actually the best for RTS? Too late now I guess... Its all personal preference, some people enjoy the black ones. My guess is the OGS guys are used to the old korean keyboards that do have a tactile feel and somewhat clicky sound. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
Be zen about it; there is no perfect keyboard, no perfect mousepad, no perfect monitor, no perfect girlfriend. Be satisfied with "damn good". | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On October 06 2010 02:44 Vorenus wrote: Damn, and I just bought a keyboard with black switches (more specifically the Steelseries 6Gv2) because I thought they were the best for gaming So the brown ones are actually the best for RTS? Too late now I guess... Black and brown are both great for gaming (and RTS). It's just personnal preference. Fruitdealers uses brown switches but IdrA has a steelseries 7g with black switches. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
(Sorry, I just can't stop engaging in self parody of my own thread) | ||
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:20 CaptainFwiffo wrote: So Cherry MX based keyboards are great for Zerg (Idra, Fruit Dealer), and for Protoss (sSKS), but what's the best keyboard for Terran, HMM? (Sorry, I just can't stop engaging in self parody of my own thread) i've seen terrans in gsl using filco keyboards too, but cant remember who it was :D | ||
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sl10
Canada37 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 06 2010 06:07 Shodaa wrote: Black and brown are both great for gaming (and RTS). It's just personnal preference. Fruitdealers uses brown switches but IdrA has a steelseries 7g with black switches. Lol buying a new keyboard isn't going to make you play any faster. Why don't you buy a better computer instead of a better keyboard lol he already has a nice one it's fine. edit: as by request of fake steve + Show Spoiler [apples be warned] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rGsfQ.jpg) | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 06 2010 08:59 sl10 wrote: Anyone know where I can get a cheaper alternative to the FILCO [ in Canada]? 100 seems a bit steep for me for a keyboard considering my budget >< http://ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=101&subminorcatid=1065 Well for some reason ncix is the only Canadian website I could find that sells mechanical keyboards. In that list, the Solidtek KB-6600BU is the only one lower than $100 (although I think it has Cherry Blue switches). | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201040&Tpk=rosewill mechanical | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 05 2010 22:17 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I just realized the Black Widow has an unscuplted profile (i.e. it's flat and not cupped like a normal keyboard). That's a major strike against its ergonomics. I'm guessing, that is a mistake in that particular 3D graphic. This is from the US Cherry website: ![[image loading]](http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/images/mx_keydim_cyl.gif) Found here: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On October 06 2010 08:59 sl10 wrote: Anyone know where I can get a cheaper alternative to the FILCO [ in Canada]? 100 seems a bit steep for me for a keyboard considering my budget >< Mechanical keyboards are just expensive in general. There probably aren't any that are significantly cheaper than 100. | ||
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Smgzy
United States187 Posts
I know this keyboard will last my whole life because unlike cheap keyboards, you can replace all of the switches individually. I love it and I will never change from my flico. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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Bxk
United States53 Posts
On October 06 2010 08:59 sl10 wrote: Anyone know where I can get a cheaper alternative to the FILCO [ in Canada]? 100 seems a bit steep for me for a keyboard considering my budget >< http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=JK-US0112-S1 If I read this correctly, this has Alps keyswitches. I've seen it for sale for ~$80 at a few places. I can't really vouch for Alps or SIIG, because I've never used them before. Just giving you the link because you might be interested, but try to find reviews first Edit: http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html found this forum post, very comprehensive, and halfway down, has prices/pros/cons of various mechanical keyboards | ||
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lu_cid
United States428 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:18 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote: am interested in this keyboard was looking it up... what is the difference between the nkro model and the model without nkro? i see it says nkro is just so you can hold down multiple buttons and it registers them all? so without it it still has nkro but only up to 6 keys? i don't really get it if anyone can explain it to me do i really need this nkro model? I don't think NKRO is necessary or helpful for SC. Also, a big LOL to people who are buying a filco kb because it's what Cool uses. Don't get me wrong it's good for gaming, but much more noticeable for me when touch-typing or programming. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 06 2010 09:40 Ropid wrote: I'm guessing, that is a mistake in that particular 3D graphic. This is from the US Cherry website: That's the profile of a cherry keyboard. The Black Widow is a Razor keyboard using Cherry MX switches. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
If I were looking for a NKRO 104-key keyboard with Cherry Blues, it would probably be my pick; the price is difficult to beat (in North America - there are other options in Asia.) | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On October 06 2010 08:59 sl10 wrote: Anyone know where I can get a cheaper alternative to the FILCO [ in Canada]? 100 seems a bit steep for me for a keyboard considering my budget >< I got my mechanical keyboarD (which had Cherry MX browns) from eBay for 11.50 plus like 23$ shipping to canada from las vegas. It was a Point of Sale Keyboard, so it has a few extra keys and/or different key placement. http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10581&d=1275628556 Another thing that's fantastic about the keyboard but not on most or any gaming keyboards is the fact that it has double-shot key caps, which means that the labels on the keys will never wear out because it's actually two different colors of plastic used instead of just laser etching or stickers. I would probably never pay more than 50-55$ for a keyboard, but that didn't mean I had to settle for rubber domes. If you stop by geekhack.org and read certain topics, you'll see that some of them got INSANE deals on keyboards, such as at thrift stores (400+$ like-new ergonomic keyboard at a thrift store = LOL). | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 06 2010 13:23 lu_cid wrote: I don't think NKRO is necessary or helpful for SC. Also, a big LOL to people who are buying a filco kb because it's what Cool uses. Don't get me wrong it's good for gaming, but much more noticeable for me when touch-typing or programming. hold your lulz sir, if people werent' buying the products the sponsors offer there would be no esports. | ||
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BookII
Australia400 Posts
On October 04 2010 09:10 gogogadgetflow wrote: seriously granny smith??? could it be my favorite? a Pink Lady apple? Omfg I love Pink Lady's Cool is so cool | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 06 2010 13:47 CaptainFwiffo wrote: That's the profile of a cherry keyboard. The Black Widow is a Razor keyboard using Cherry MX switches. Your picture was a 3D graphic, not a photo. I think the artist was being lazy and the real keyboard uses keycaps like from the Cherry design documents. This was the best photo of the keyboard I could find with Google: ![[image loading]](http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs387.snc4/45064_487749117575_13848807575_6908894_3127781_n.jpg) | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
then the blue ones. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
if your a runner, buying the best shoes wont make you the best being a good runner through experience will, but then the shoes may give a slight advantage i feel sorry for people that are horrible and expect imba sc2 results from buying top of the range keyboards. however, i wouldnt trade this microsoft keyboard for the world <3 the keys are just like oooooh :D | ||
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
On October 07 2010 02:58 optical630 wrote: its like what day9 said if your a runner, buying the best shoes wont make you the best being a good runner through experience will, but then the shoes may give a slight advantage i feel sorry for people that are horrible and expect imba sc2 results from buying top of the range keyboards. however, i wouldnt trade this microsoft keyboard for the world <3 the keys are just like oooooh :D I agree mostly with this, but I'm one of the people who sold out the keyboard xD Anyways, I bought one because I'm currently at the level (mid diamond) where my keyboard is really starting to affect some of the games I play. For example, in one of my games, I thought I built a roach warren + baneling nest when I actually built 2 baneling nests, since my membrane keyboard is a piece of shit and I never know whether the key I pressed actually activated or not. (I thought the B key didn't activate when I tried to press BR, so I pressed B again, thus building a Baneling Nest) This lack of confidence in my keyboard is making me waste apm and attention on making sure I actually pressed the right things. It's a good investment if I can pay some money for a good keyboard and be done with the issue. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
1) It's important for a nurse to have good quality, well fitting, comfortable shoes, even if they don't spend their free time running. They spend all day on their feet. 2) Even a casual runner will suffer if they try to run in really crappy, ill-fit shoes or golf cleats or something. They would benefit significantly from finding some reasonably priced good quality shoes. It will make them more comfortable and less prone to injury, even if it doesn't make them run any faster. ![[image loading]](http://www.acnursery.com/images/Northern%20Spy.JPG) (Northern Spy) | ||
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Gcubed
United States131 Posts
On October 07 2010 03:12 Goobus wrote: I agree mostly with this, but I'm one of the people who sold out the keyboard xD Anyways, I bought one because I'm currently at the level (mid diamond) where my keyboard is really starting to affect some of the games I play. For example, in one of my games, I thought I built a roach warren + baneling nest when I actually built 2 baneling nests, since my membrane keyboard is a piece of shit and I never know whether the key I pressed actually activated or not. (I thought the B key didn't activate when I tried to press BR, so I pressed B again, thus building a Baneling Nest) This lack of confidence in my keyboard is making me waste apm and attention on making sure I actually pressed the right things. It's a good investment if I can pay some money for a good keyboard and be done with the issue. Very good point, that happens to me sometimes. So now i basically always have to spend extra time making sure the right building is being made or if its being made at all. I would be ignorant to call buying a top of the line keyboard a "waste of money". For the things you use most in life, $100 is an extremely cheap price to pay for the Ferrari of keyboards.. | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
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Sinborn
United States275 Posts
Now, I have no delusions about my purchase of a Filco: It's not going to make me a better Starcraft 2 player directly. However, I do not believe that offers a larger advantage than slight for most players. The sense that I made a monetary investment will make me play harder to justify my purchase, which indirectly makes me better because my pride is on the line. Buyer's remorse is an exceptionally powerful motivator and I wouldn't be surprised to see a player go past his former expectations. That being said, yeah, you're not going to be Fruit Dealer if you use his keyboard, but motivation is somewhat hard to come by in Starcraft 2 when you're in gold and not movin'. | ||
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Aro_X
United States106 Posts
i went with the 6Gv2 because i heard the switches on the black are more quiet then the browns so i'll see how this goes (btw i bought it more for touch typing as i spend most of my time at the desk rather then gaming. i suppose the extra comfort and the nkey thing is an added bonus. so if u type a lot it isnt a bad investment even if you dont get gosu at sc2) | ||
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evilsaint
United States309 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:22 slowzerg wrote: From what I saw from Artosis' GSL qualifier video Tester/sSKS has the same model. I wonder if it's TSL's official keyboard? Anyone see what Clide was using?Yeah, I remember seeing Tester with a Filco too. Not sure what switches it has though, since I never saw the LED color. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Check has the Pink (!) version of it; http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=45658910 I don't blame him for dropping some cash on that KB/mouse, though; it's a fantastic setup -http://yfrog.com/4bmouseandkbj Now, if only I can figure out how to not suck with them and I'll be golden! | ||
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evilsaint
United States309 Posts
On October 06 2010 00:39 dudeman001 wrote: An apple a day keeps the Terran away. His mouse looks funky. Why the weird bump between the palm and the fingers? You can't feel the bump, even if you palm the mouse. This type of shape on a mouse seems to work better for claw/fingertip grips anyway. I have the G9X now, replacing a VX Revolution from way the hell back, and the shape works incredibly well for hours of use on end doing anything and everything. The mouse is still too expensive, no matter how awesome it is, but I digress... *edit* | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
thats probably why they're a little pricey , i know the USD$ is a bit of a joke nowdays.YENvUSD is the highest it's been in 15 years i believe. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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rsol
Australia117 Posts
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rane
Finland17 Posts
I think G9x is the worst mouse I've ever owned… bought it after my MX518 (a very good mouse) broke and I wanted to try something new. I got used to it, but it never really felt right. Then, at a LAN I got an opportunity to try Deathadder; instantly fell in love with it and been in heaven ever since. Oh and it also made me pick up Quake again | ||
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rane
Finland17 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
On October 07 2010 02:58 optical630 wrote: its like what day9 said if your a runner, buying the best shoes wont make you the best being a good runner through experience will, but then the shoes may give a slight advantage :D Buying what you NEED is the key point, not copying other people. This step is suprisingly important because it means you know exactly what you are looking for instead screwing around. | ||
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Buddhalol
Canada109 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On October 08 2010 08:11 rane wrote: Didn't imagine picking a keyboard could be this hard. I've struggled between brown and black switches, and if I should wait for tenkeyless UK layout or not. Anyway, I've somewhat decided to pick brown switches, mainly for FPS and RTS, but I also do whole a lot of programming. I would go with a regular size Brow switches if you also do a lot of typing. I'd assume the number pad might come in handy in programming, no? | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: are these filco keyboards made in japan? thats probably why they're a little pricey , i know the USD$ is a bit of a joke nowdays.YENvUSD is the highest it's been in 15 years i believe. All mechanical keyboards are around $100. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: are these filco keyboards made in japan? thats probably why they're a little pricey , i know the USD$ is a bit of a joke nowdays.YENvUSD is the highest it's been in 15 years i believe. My filco is packaged for Japanese market. All branding and descriptions are in Japanese but on the box it says Made In Taiwan. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
Can't go back to regular keyboards after using filco. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
This gives you a rough estimate of the sound. | ||
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ShivaN
United States933 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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slowzerg
United States62 Posts
On October 10 2010 05:35 haduken wrote: How quite is the brown switch? I work in an office environment and I don't want to disturb others but I still would like to use a mechanical keyboard Can't go back to regular keyboards after using filco. On my Filco w/Browns, most of the noise is made by the keys bottoming out, so it depends on how hard you hit the keys. If you avoid bottoming out the board it's pretty quiet. Normal typing will be louder than a standard membrane keyboard, though. I imagine once you adjust to the lighter keys it won't be so noisy, so perhaps get used to it at home first before bringing it in to work. | ||
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
for everyone else, this is an orgasm to type on! the cherry blue switches are also, but they are clicky, like the old typewriters :D. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Pjj
Netherlands37 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 10 2010 05:56 CaptainFwiffo wrote: To add a little fuel to the fire: LOL! That's me. Day seems to enjoy the Majestouch Cherry MX Browns as well. In particular, the 5 key! | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On October 07 2010 20:56 rane wrote: Offtopic about G9x mentioned above: I think G9x is the worst mouse I've ever owned… bought it after my MX518 (a very good mouse) broke and I wanted to try something new. I got used to it, but it never really felt right. Then, at a LAN I got an opportunity to try Deathadder; instantly fell in love with it and been in heaven ever since. Oh and it also made me pick up Quake again some people just arent made for quality products, razer is so bad. Also i hope you use claw grip because if you don't you should not have bought a g9x.. as it is clearly stated that it was mostly made for that | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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sely
United States30 Posts
Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided. | ||
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
, got killed so many times in shooters cause my old keyboards didnt have it :D | ||
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DaRkFrosT
United States407 Posts
On October 11 2010 01:04 sely wrote: I see most people quoting the price of the Filco keyboard as $140 or more, but the one Cool is using is the $109 Majestouch w/o NKRO. Not only is NKRO relatively useless in RTS games, but in order to use true NKRO the keyboard must be plugged into a PS/2 port which is illegal in tournaments because it is not hot-swappable and trying to hot swap PS/2 devices can fry motherboards. Incidentally, I have this keyboard as well as a DT35 and there is absolutely no comparison. Using rubber dome keyboards after the FIlco is uncomfortable to say the least. Yes, the Filco keyboards are relatively expensive but after using one for a few days you will have a hard time going back. And while Filco keyboards are not specifically made for gaming, there is no gaming keyboard that is better for gaming than this Filco. Glad to see Razer making a mechanical keyboard, but the choice of Cherry Blues over Browns or Blacks is completely stupid. Also, any keyboard with more than the standard 104 keys is garbage and should be avoided. I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks? I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one? | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote: I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks? I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one? http://www.elitekeyboards.com/support.php?lang=en#1a Basically, Black = smooth, Brown = "click"/quiet, Blue = "click"/loud. You should get a regular size keyboard unless you really seem tight on space. You pay 20 more dollars to remove the number pad. | ||
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sely
United States30 Posts
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote: I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks? I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one? Here is a link with detailed information about each switch: http://elitekeyboards.com/support.php?lang=en#1a Basically, the Blues are the same as Browns but they make a click when pressed. They are both tactile, meaning there is a subtle "bump" in the downstroke of the key. Black switches are linear. They are not clicky, and do not have the bump in the downstroke. They are made for gaming, especially FPS games. Personally, I would recommend the Browns. 87 vs. 104 key is just personal preference. (EDIT: sorry, guess Repok beat me to it) | ||
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gulii
Sweden2791 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using Haha, I lol hard on this! | ||
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cmh
United States88 Posts
On October 11 2010 01:26 StatiC)Ex( wrote: I was wondering, whats the difference between the Blues, Browns, blacks? I'm considering buying this Filco, but what do most of you suggest? the 87 key or the 104 key one? I use brown switches and prefer them over my other keyboard with blacks. It feels much easier to press keys for me especially when I spam my keyboard during a match. Having said that if my keyboard broke today(which it wont it's a Filco) I would have no problem playing on the other keyboard with black switches, but never will I go back to a standard rubber dome keyboard! lol I know Tester & Fruit Dealer are both using Filcos with browns, and a new video of BoxeR playing at the GSL qualification Day 2 shows him using a mechanical keyboard with blue switches. As for the 87 or 104 the only difference is that the 87 removes the numpad to save space and every version of the 87 supports full N-Key Roll Over. I bought the 104 keyboard since it was the cheapest(non-NKRO version) and at the time the 87 was out of stock. Another think to point out on the NKRO debate that sely was talking about, I know for a fact at MLG Raleigh both members of fnatic and team eg where freaking out looking for a ps/2 to usb adapters for their Steelseries keyboards or the MLG admins would not allow them to participate in the tournament. Like sely said many tournaments do not allow ps/2 which is required for full N-Key Roll Over, but if your just massing games at home this is obviously a non issue. Going to a tourney, just bring an adapter in case, SC players dont need full NKRO. | ||
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kawatan
288 Posts
 BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches  Fruitseller has on his). | ||
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cmh
United States88 Posts
On October 11 2010 02:34 kawatan wrote: well if anyone is curious BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches Fruitseller has on his).Yea its this one right here http://lousyhero.com/blaze/aug09sale/scorpkey.jpg Thx i was curious which Ione model that was. I hear these are not built as good as the Filcos but its one of the cheaper mechanical keyboards you can find in terms of price which come with MX blues. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On October 11 2010 02:34 kawatan wrote: well if anyone is curious BoxeR or manofoneway uses a scorpius m10 (basically mechanical kb that uses the same switches Fruitseller has on his).Same as in both being Cherry, yes. They are however of different type. Boxer using blues, Fruit using browns. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On October 11 2010 02:18 cmh wrote: Like sely said many tournaments do not allow ps/2 which is required for full N-Key Roll Over, but if your just massing games at home this is obviously a non issue. Going to a tourney, just bring an adapter in case, SC players dont need full NKRO. If the admins care to look, they'll know that it's a ps/2 keyboard with an adapter attached. It's really risky bringing a ps/2 keyboard to a tournament that doesn't allow them. MLG Raleigh had to allow the players to use adapters because otherwise a ton of players would have been disqualified and their debut SC2 tournament would have been a joke. They're not going to allow ps/2 keyboards anymore. SC2 players should just get the USB since they don't need the NKRO like you said | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Even their lesser known KBs, the Happy Hacking and Topre Realforce keyboards are all USB (incase it matters to anyone). | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
What's the rationale for not allowing people to use a ps/2 keyboard with a USB adapter, though? If the adapter doesn't work properly with the keyboard and computer, then that's the player's fault and he can safely be made to forfeit due to having faulty equipment which it was his job to provide. | ||
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Aro_X
United States106 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 11 2010 08:30 Liquid`Tyler wrote: If the admins care to look, they'll know that it's a ps/2 keyboard with an adapter attached. It's really risky bringing a ps/2 keyboard to a tournament that doesn't allow them. MLG Raleigh had to allow the players to use adapters because otherwise a ton of players would have been disqualified and their debut SC2 tournament would have been a joke. They're not going to allow ps/2 keyboards anymore. SC2 players should just get the USB since they don't need the NKRO like you said You rarely need full nkro usually 4 keys + 2 modifiers cover most cases that being said a keyboard with full support not just wasd block support. Esp a game like SC2 where in perfection you'd only be pushing 2 keys max so 3 key roll over is good enough Also ps/2 isn't fit for a tournament setting really. You're slowly killing your keyboard hot-plugging like you would for a tournament; which USB doesn't suffer from. | ||
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DysFUNKtional
Canada51 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
By contrast, the Filco keyboards have your choice of Blue, Brown or Black switches (the one's that have been showing up in the hands of pros have all had Brown). You also have your choice of NKRO or non-NKRO and full-size 104-key layout, or tenkeyless 87-key layout. The Filco keyboards also have a bit nicer fit-and-finish from most accounts. The steelseries comes with a big wrist rest and has an integrated USB hub and headphone/microphone jacks. Filcos don't really have any extras, other than the red Esc key (you can order branded wrist rests separately). | ||
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yourwhiteshadow
United States442 Posts
ducky is the closest thing to filco in terms of looks, in fact, they look identical except red keys, logo, etc. the rosewill also looks similar. ducky has two prominent models, the DK-9000 and dk-9008 (extra buttons + nkro i think). i've heard really good things about the finish and feel of ducky keyboards from geekhack. rumor has it that ducky will have a US distributor fairly soon. das, well, das is well known and most of their kbds are nice. i have heard them having a few issues in the past. i think it got solved though. filco. everyone knows about filco. but for $110-140 it might be a bit pricey. i think the ducky dk-9000 might be priced somewhere around $100 shipped in the US. the DK-9008 might be a bit more? | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
Overclock.net's Mechanical Keyboard Guide Mechanical Switch Keyboards Sorted by Switch Those two pages link to reviews and explanations of everything and will let you compare different keyboards that interest you. | ||
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ayababa
Australia347 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using mini granny smith, single core, juice cooled. ^^ | ||
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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BlueLobster
Singapore205 Posts
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
I personally prefer the Cherry Blues and scissor switch boards for gaming. Call me weird, but the brown's just feel like they have too long of a travel distance and actuate with too little force. The Blue's have a very nice click, more noticeable bump, and require slightly more force (5g, I think) to actuate. Likewise, the QSENN DT-35 as well as other membrane keyboards also have a more tactile feel but the key rebound on non-mechanical keyboards is slower and feels much less smooth. I also like scissor switch boards for SC because the travel distance is so low and the keys bounce back quickly (not as quickly as mechanical boards, though). I haven't tried Cherry MX Blacks and I really don't have an urge to since I heard typing on those boards is pretty sub-optimal. If I ever get to try a new board, it will probably be a Topre as those give a very unique typing experience though I've heard very little about them being used for gaming. | ||
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
I was 1 click away from ordering the Filco Tenkeyless Cherry Brown today and am just waiting on this last tidd bit of info to make my mind up for sure. | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:39 Adeeler wrote: To above poster, what do you think about the sound difference between the Cherry Blues/Browns? Are the Cherry Browns quieter? I was 1 click away from ordering the Filco Tenkeyless Cherry Brown today and am just waiting on this last tidd bit of info to make my mind up for sure. Yes, Cherry Blues are much louder than the Browns. If you play lots of PC games and you bottom out the keys on both, the Browns will be pretty audible as well. If you train yourself to "correctly" and efficiently type on a mechanical keyboard (i.e. not bottoming out keys but stopping when you hear the click or feel the bump) then the Browns can be very quiet. I personally enjoy the clicky sound of the Blues and the feeling of typing on them is sublime - it's like crunching through a back of potato chips. I'm not trying to deter you from Browns because they give a great all-around experience especially when your fingers get more accustomed to them. You can get some sound samples of different boards below, but if sound is a concern and you don't care for the click then you definitely want the Browns. http://geekhack.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36 | ||
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viraltouch
United States299 Posts
has anyone ordered this recently? they seem to be out of stock so its backordered for me... double fail this keyboard better be worth the hype. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:06 viraltouch wrote: oh god, I just hopped on the filco keyboard cuz of tester n fruitdealer. I'm a sucker has anyone ordered this recently? they seem to be out of stock so its backordered for me... double fail this keyboard better be worth the hype. it's not it's a freaking keyboard. no need to hype a keyboard people say it's a world of difference but usually they are the same people who hype shit anyways. A world of difference is using a mouse then using a trackpad it's very different. A keyboard is a keyboard is a keyboard, just because a switch feels a bit different and springs a bit differently is just a quark not a god send. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:17 semantics wrote: A keyboard is a keyboard is a keyboard Would you like to type all day or game on a chicklet keyboard? On a cell phone keypad? On one of those rubber roll-up keyboards? There's a difference between hamburger helper and prime rib. Buying the keyboard because you saw your favorite pro using it is probably not the best reason, but anyone who did got "suckered" into buying a high-quality piece of equipment that will give them many years of enjoyment. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:17 semantics wrote: it's not it's a freaking keyboard. no need to hype a keyboard people say it's a world of difference but usually they are the same people who hype shit anyways. A world of difference is using a mouse then using a trackpad it's very different. A keyboard is a keyboard is a keyboard, just because a switch feels a bit different and springs a bit differently is just a quark not a god send. A keyboard is something that most of us use for hours and hours every single day. Isn't it obvious that you'd want the most luxurious available if that were the case? Mechanical keyboards like this make a huge difference. They are a pleasure to type on. | ||
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Russet
United States48 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
The more research I do the more it seems like we get shafted pretty hard on this side of the world. Most appear to be rebranded versions of Costar boards made in Taiwan, like the Das Keyboard, Filco, the Newegg one, probably much more. The best quality available here seems to be filco, but they are kind of over priced at elitekeyboards. The Rosewill RK-9000 for instance is more or less identical to the Majestouch NKRO blue for $35 less. It was even on sale in the US for $75. Unfortunately there's no brown Rosewill, and there's no non NKRO versions. I wonder how much cheaper they'd be compared to the Majestouch which is $109. The biggest fault in the Rosewill seem to just be the logo/brand name. There's others like the Adesso, Scorpius etc but they all seem to have some fault or flaw. From the research I've done the board I really want is a Ducky, but they aren't available at all over here. It's a shame. I will probably settle for the Newegg board if I get any. I'm glad that Razer is getting into mechanical switch scene, even though I don't care for their products, we definitely need more options | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
I was greatly disapointing with my razer tarantula and now my "w" key works 2/3 which sucks for LoL. I just had a 96$ tax back from governement, it could have great use ! | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
http://www.bluejeanpad.com/client/shop/productDetail.php?productID=108 if its impossible could you recommend me a similiar jean pad which is very cheap? im using roccat taito ( http://www.progamingshop.sk/images/roccat_taito_shiny_black_ROC-13-050.jpg ) right now but i feel like i cant move my mouse fast enough | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:50 stafu wrote: A keyboard is something that most of us use for hours and hours every single day. Isn't it obvious that you'd want the most luxurious available if that were the case? Mechanical keyboards like this make a huge difference. They are a pleasure to type on. Lol sure you know what's better not typing at all =p You spend a lot of time typing on them but what will make your time more conformable would be not to use the keyboard lifts on the back and to use a proper wrist rest so your hand drops down not points up at the keyboard. That will make it much better to type on but the fact that the keys spring up a bit better. Most people aren't good enough typists to notice or use that difference. | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
So you guys would say its worth switching to the new mechanical keyboards? | ||
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viraltouch
United States299 Posts
pretty sure filco cherry brown is hands down the preferred mechanical keyboard for gaming seems like... edit: i almost got the i-rocks 6230 cherry brown for ~90 shipped but decided to shell out extra for filco | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
You seem to think that discussing keyboard quality is ridiculous, so why are you participating in this discussion? It's like joining in on a car discussion and saying everybody should get along with the jalopy they got used from their parents, or better yet, take the bus. It's like jumping in on an Starcraft discussion and saying that it's a stupid game and you all should quit playing. Just because you don't care about a subject doesn't mean that others don't. @Onioncookie: I suggest borrowing one to try out, and see if you like it. That's what I did. | ||
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LolnoobInsanity
United States183 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using lol that actually made me laugh pretty hard for some reason | ||
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yggdrasil
Germany21 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 13 2010 05:43 CaptainFwiffo wrote: @semantics: Your argument is that many people have lousy typing technique, therefore a good keyboard is pointless? That's like saying many people have poor posture, therefore everybody should get along with folding chairs to sit on. You seem to think that discussing keyboard quality is ridiculous, so why are you participating in this discussion? It's like joining in on a car discussion and saying everybody should get along with the jalopy they got used from their parents, or better yet, take the bus. It's like jumping in on an Starcraft discussion and saying that it's a stupid game and you all should quit playing. Just because you don't care about a subject doesn't mean that others don't. @Onioncookie: I suggest borrowing one to try out, and see if you like it. That's what I did. Lol Yes everyone wants to buy a keyboard they see one good player use. But it's not going to make them any better i just see it as a pure luxury which could be spent on something that can benefit them more. The only point in buying a sports car if you never race it is so that you have a fast looking car. So then the point of buying an expensive keyboard is nothing more then an internet dick waving contest. You can easily spend it on better headset, better sound card maybe more ram or something else and gain much more out of playing sc2. Then just buying an expensive keyboard. I mean you can buy a 60000 dollar bed hand stitched and crap to get a good night sleep. Or you can buy a good quality inflatable mattress which most people would be fine sleeping on. I can continue with "luxury" analogies do people really need to be spending money on this crap. Overselling the item isn't letting them make informed decisions, you're rather just coxing them into following your ways. | ||
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OnEMoReTrY
United States99 Posts
On October 13 2010 05:41 viraltouch wrote: i will let you know when I get mine... I was hesitant on getting it for like a month and I did a lot of research for it. but finally pulled the plug today.. when it is out of stock =/ pretty sure filco cherry brown is hands down the preferred mechanical keyboard for gaming seems like... edit: i almost got the i-rocks 6230 cherry brown for ~90 shipped but decided to shell out extra for filco I'm actually surprised this threads full of so much talk over the cherry browns. The GeekHack polls are split pretty even. I have tried both switches and actually prefer the blues for SC2. I didn't really like the browns that much, while they do have a tactile bump, its so subtle that I ended up bottoming the keys out every time. If noise is a concern definitely go with the browns though, the blues make a fairly loud high pitched click. I enjoy the sound so it works for me. The talk about browns being better than blues for gaming is coming straight from the difference in the process of actuating, releasing, and actuating again. Double clicking on blues is a little weird at first, but its such a small difference, and completely irrelevant for SC2. So when deciding between brown and blue, if you like a clicking feel, get blue, if you need a keyboard that's quieter get brown. Either will do just fine for gaming. | ||
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OnEMoReTrY
United States99 Posts
The only point in buying a sports car if you never race it is so that you have a fast looking car. Actually you couldn't be more wrong. I own a 01 BMW Z3 (6 cylinder, 3.0L model) and race it at track days, but the entertainment it provides me on a daily basis from taking turns spiritedly or accelerating off a light far outweighs any standard car. I can only imagine what an even nicer sports car would be like. | ||
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
I don't think a keyboard can feel or operate any better then this one. The quality is just ridiculous. | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
i dont want to be a cock, i just dont know it | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
@semantics: How will a better soundcard or headset help with SC2 any more than a keyboard would? The reason why I care about my keyboard is because I'm a programmer and I spend all day typing. I'm sure I'm not the only one here. If you spend all day sitting at a desk, I bet you care about what kind of chair you're sitting on. If you spend all day on your feet, you probably take care to own quality comfortable shoes. It's not a status thing. If I wanted to prove I could spend a lot of money on a keyboard, I would get a Topre and plate it in gold. If I wanted to prove to prove I was old-skool cool I'd get a Model M or Model F. It's not even like a mechanical keyboard is all that expensive considering you can use it for ten or twenty years. At ~$120 or something, it would be one of the cheaper components in a gaming rig, and it will outlast the computer several times over. Why skimp on the one piece of computer equipment you interface with all day and may be using for a decade or more? Again, I must ask why you are posting in this thread other than to troll. Would you jump in on a car thread or a furniture thread or a video card thread and tell people to quit wasting their money and go with the Wal-Mart brand? | ||
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10040 Posts
On October 13 2010 06:58 onemoretry wrote: Actually you couldn't be more wrong. I own a 01 BMW Z3 (6 cylinder, 3.0L model) and race it at track days, but the entertainment it provides me on a daily basis from taking turns spiritedly or accelerating off a light far outweighs any standard car. I can only imagine what an even nicer sports car would be like. I know plenty of people with fast car and all they use it for is speeding on the high way to get tickets. Just because you actually use it for racing doesn't make it valid for everyone else to use. esp if it cost more then what they have or need. I'm against spending shit unnecessarily which is what i find this thread to encourage because the item is not so expensive people can pull people and convince them to buy the product even though they really don't need to. It's a matter of usage and cost. If you have a family of 5 and you want to buy a 2 seater sports car just because and try to justify spending money on it to your wife because you say it handles better and accelerates faster good luck producing any more children after she kicks you in the balls for wasting money. I use a old logitech ergonomic keyboard and trackball most of the time. I switch out a mouse when playing games at which point i still use a wrist rest and a mouse that I'm conformable gripping. I'm never going to be pro or anything i don't need the best equipment to play a game a enjoy. To encourage people to buy one product because it may do a little better for them in a game is nothing more then playing on peoples hopes and dreams of grandeur and for the most part if a waste of money. | ||
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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
On October 13 2010 07:11 semantics wrote: I know plenty of people with fast car and all they use it for is speeding on the high way to get tickets. Just because you actually use it for racing doesn't make it valid for everyone else to use. esp if it cost more then what they have or need. I'm against spending shit unnecessarily which is what i find this thread to encourage because the item is not so expensive people can pull people and convince them to buy the product even though they really don't need to. not a matter of if they NEED to, it's a matter of if someone WANTS to then the thread is here to help provide information in which it will make that person's decision closer to the correct one. | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On October 13 2010 06:54 onemoretry wrote: I didn't really like the browns that much, while they do have a tactile bump, its so subtle that I ended up bottoming the keys out every time And when they do bottom out, it can be louder than on a quiet rubber dome switch keyboard. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
Purchase Details Sooo.. These either sold out as soon as people seen this thread or they were sold out. ETA Oct. 10th my ass. Anyone have any info on when they will be back in? | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
Another thing that can really matter is a lot of keyboards out there take a shit ton of space. FILCO, Ducky, etc. can pride themselves in being efficient space savers that don't sacrifice any quality at all, rather increase in quality in most cases. There's plenty of ways a FILCO can benefit you, not just a zomgmustgetcuzprogamerzhazzergoigetgudz | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 13 2010 07:44 NuKedUFirst wrote: Sooo.. These either sold out as soon as people seen this thread or they were sold out. ETA Oct. 10th my ass. Anyone have any info on when they will be back in? Don't forget the E in ETA. Elitekeyboards is a small distributor importing these from Asia. Also, you could always e-mail them to inquire about stock or consider if you might like one of the similar models that they have in stock. And yes, the timing is consistent with this thread causing a rush on this keyboard. My bad. | ||
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viraltouch
United States299 Posts
I called them around 2pm after placing my order and they told me that they did get a fresh shipment last weekend and that they can ship em out within this week. they told me that their new stock should cover my keyboard but they did say that their backorder list is quite long. so you should call them before placing your order to see if yours can be shipped with their new supply | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On October 13 2010 07:57 viraltouch wrote: @NuKedUFirst I called them around 2pm after placing my order and they told me that they did get a fresh shipment last weekend and that they can ship em out within this week. they told me that their new stock should cover my keyboard but they did say that their backorder list is quite long. so you should call them before placing your order to see if yours can be shipped with their new supply On October 13 2010 07:55 CaptainFwiffo wrote: Don't forget the E in ETA. Elitekeyboards is a small distributor importing these from Asia. Also, you could always e-mail them to inquire about stock or consider if you might like one of the similar models that they have in stock. And yes, the timing is consistent with this thread causing a rush on this keyboard. My bad. Awesome thanks for the replies!! | ||
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
On October 13 2010 07:44 NuKedUFirst wrote: Purchase Details Sooo.. These either sold out as soon as people seen this thread or they were sold out. ETA Oct. 10th my ass. Anyone have any info on when they will be back in? just out of curiosity (and cause i was bored) i emailed them and asked, and got a pretty quick response. "Our shipment comes in tomorrow, so any item you backorder will be available to ship starting then. Best Regards, Brian" | ||
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United States152 Posts
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On October 12 2010 11:01 ayababa wrote: mini granny smith, single core, juice cooled. ^^ I was having a shitty day until I read this. Thank you :D | ||
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United States463 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 13 2010 21:10 Kvz wrote: i just converted to mechanical today. After 6 hours of sc2 i will never go back to a membrane keyboard. I wonder if FILCO is aware of how much revenue they must be getting from Starcraft players alone, haha. | ||
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On October 13 2010 07:02 rel wrote: My 10 keyless Filco with Brown MX switches just got here, and I have to say... I don't think a keyboard can feel or operate any better then this one. The quality is just ridiculous. Gah, you guys are killing me. I don't want to spend the money on one, but this thread keeps getting bumped, and every time I see it, i go look at the Filco tenkeyless and want it more. Might have to be a christmas present to myself. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
On October 13 2010 22:27 Caphe wrote: Shit! I just spilled my coffee over my 2 weeks old Filco keyboard...Panic mode right now!!! Got a dishwasher? | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On October 13 2010 22:27 Caphe wrote: Shit! I just spilled my coffee over my 2 weeks old Filco keyboard...Panic mode right now!!! Hah, you've just discovered the achilles heel of these mechanical keyboards. I spilt coffee on my Unicomp Customiser (the classic IBM Model M with a few tweaks, built in the same factory for another company) and it's been essentially knocked out of action. Damn thing could survive a nuclear war, be used to beat the scavenging radioactive mutant survivors to death before they eat you, and still be wiped off and plugged in and used to play Fallout 2 afterwards, but a few little drops of coffee in between the membrane sheets can rot the contacts permanently (barring some sort of patchwork repair, which I'm currently attempting) and cause keys to fail. Also they're an absolute nightmare to reassemble if you ever have cause to take them apart, though your Filco is hopefully constructed along entirely different lines. What I'm saying is that you really, really want to get the spill seen to quickly. I imagine the folks at geekhack.org have had this problem come up countless times, so there must be someone in there who can help. | ||
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john7kfc
United States317 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:42 semantics wrote: with coffee you want to clean not just let it dry out for 2 weeks +1 I've seen some nasty mold shit from computer equipment from coffee that someone just "let dry out" and not properly clean out. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
The coffee isn't likely to actually get in the switches unless you invert the keyboard. Clean it out carefully and you should be OK. The contact pads in membrane keyboards are more vulnerable. | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:42 semantics wrote: Lol wut membrane keyboards are pretty much water poof short of submerging it in water. The rubber above the contact pads prevents water from getting on them much more successfully then flico's keyboards. They also cost like 10-20 bucks do loosing one isn't a kick in the balls =p Since I'm the only one who mentioned membranes, I presume you're referring to me. There's very little rubber in a model M or Customiser (it's not a rubber dome, it's a proper buckling spring mechanical keyboard where the collapsing spring presses the membrane). You're right that pure water won't do much damage to a membrane proper (it might burn out the electronics, or concievably, I suppose, drench any rubber dome that was there) - usually, the keyboard would just think you're pressing a lot of keys at the same time. It's all the other chemicals in whatever you've spilled in it (soda, beer, coffee, hard tap water with all those metallic minerals) that reacts with the conductive tracer and can cause corrosion. I know this for a fact because I've actually done the experiment (unfortunately) - a couple of hours with a few drops of coffee in the membrane (which I then washed out) rotted whatever it is they use to conduct electricity in these things and stopped a bunch of keys from working. Also my Unicomp cost me $69 + shipping (and that's a lot cheaper than the $250 or so that the original IBM models used to cost). | ||
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
I use an original Cherry G80-3000 with "brown" Cherry switches. Though in Europe colors are white, blue and black for some reason. Don't care, in return it only cost me €50, while importing a FILCO would have set me back more than 110. Quite a bit louder than my old one but the sound is also nice. And it feels like I'm really giving my fingers some rest. Will take some time until I dont bottom out the keys anymore though. Count me on board :-D edit: any of you know a good program to emulate media keys? I miss my volume up/down keys :-( On spills: Best emergency solution is to instantly flush with distilled water. Then you can dry up more safely since it won't get chalk on your contacts. Also probably best to dry with depressed keys since this will prevent the water from ligeringing on the important parts of the contact. Just my 2c. | ||
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Tytanium
United States9 Posts
On October 14 2010 05:07 FoxSpirit wrote: edit: any of you know a good program to emulate media keys? I miss my volume up/down keys :-( I don't know if you use iTunes or not, but I found a program called iTunesKeys that lets you set up keyboard shortcuts for next/play/pause/volume/ratings and a bunch of other stuff. Don't know about ones for volume in general | ||
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
On October 14 2010 05:07 FoxSpirit wrote: Okay, I switched now. I use an original Cherry G80-3000 with "brown" Cherry switches. Though in Europe colors are white, blue and black for some reason. Don't care, in return it only cost me €50, while importing a FILCO would have set me back more than 110. Quite a bit louder than my old one but the sound is also nice. And it feels like I'm really giving my fingers some rest. Will take some time until I dont bottom out the keys anymore though. Count me on board :-D edit: any of you know a good program to emulate media keys? I miss my volume up/down keys :-( On spills: Best emergency solution is to instantly flush with distilled water. Then you can dry up more safely since it won't get chalk on your contacts. Also probably best to dry with depressed keys since this will prevent the water from ligeringing on the important parts of the contact. Just my 2c. sorry dude, this keyboard isnt the same :D, i own one with these white switches too, and theire NOT EVEN near the brown or blue switches. | ||
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
On October 14 2010 06:26 ekuah wrote: sorry dude, this keyboard isnt the same :D, i own one with these white switches too, and theire NOT EVEN near the brown or blue switches. No you don't. Not with mine. There are only 3 of them right now. http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm Even on the homepage there's only black, blue and white. The white one is the soft-tactile and if your look at the data-sheet, it's the one which is widely called the "brown" one. The "clear" switches listed here http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry switches and boards aren't even on sale anymore. And the white switches discuseed further down isn't it either. I'll mail Cherry to inquire what transpires here since they obviously don't sell brown colored switches themselves anymore. I'll update once I know more. edit: This page http://park16.wakwak.com/~ex4/kb/tech_cherry_mx.htm says that the cherry brown are "ergonomic" cherry white, that means a more pronounced bump but about the same resistance bump and activation force. The cherry datasheet also mentions that the curve is the ergonomic bump but with no mention of the color coding. Intriguing. edit 2: I feel a bit grumpy. I dropped them a mail inquiring further but am now convinced those are in fact slightly inferior switches. But on the whole website there isn't even a hint that those are even used in any models anymore, even less made, especially since the other keyboards of the same Type use the current blue and black ones. I want my money back :-( | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 14 2010 02:29 CaptainFwiffo wrote: Filco keyboards come with a cover which you should place over your keyboard while eating or drinking (or overnight to reduce the amount of dusting you need to do.) The coffee isn't likely to actually get in the switches unless you invert the keyboard. Clean it out carefully and you should be OK. The contact pads in membrane keyboards are more vulnerable. I use the cover ALL the time. Highly recommend. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
That said, Filco keyboards are top notch, and there are like 10 different versions of the Majestouch with different features covering different needs. I own two (both tenkeyless with Cherry Browns). I've also heard nothing but good things about the Steelseries 7G, so it's also a good choice if Cherry MX Black switches are your preference. | ||
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john7kfc
United States317 Posts
On October 14 2010 05:07 FoxSpirit wrote: Okay, I switched now. I use an original Cherry G80-3000 with "brown" Cherry switches. Though in Europe colors are white, blue and black for some reason. Don't care, in return it only cost me €50, while importing a FILCO would have set me back more than 110. Quite a bit louder than my old one but the sound is also nice. And it feels like I'm really giving my fingers some rest. Will take some time until I dont bottom out the keys anymore though. Count me on board :-D edit: any of you know a good program to emulate media keys? I miss my volume up/down keys :-( On spills: Best emergency solution is to instantly flush with distilled water. Then you can dry up more safely since it won't get chalk on your contacts. Also probably best to dry with depressed keys since this will prevent the water from ligeringing on the important parts of the contact. Just my 2c. Where did you get that keyboard? | ||
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DeadlyStar
Germany82 Posts
read his latest post, seems like i was right ^^ | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
On October 14 2010 08:08 ekuah wrote: read his latest post, seems like i was right ^^ Just to note: and it still blows every non-mechanical keyboard away. The feeling is pretty damn fine but if the touch could be a tad lighter, I'm all for it. I got it from a local retailer after price-searching the exact keyboard number, which was G80-3000LSCDE-0 for my German keyboard with touch-tactile. http://www.cherry.de/deutsch/produkte/office_business_G80-3000.htm Click on "Ausführungsvarianten" All three variants for US are there, linear, touch-tactile and clicky. Quite happy at the moment but trying to upgrade to "perfect" ;-) | ||
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
I just ordered one like cool's. I can't wait. | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
But i still have to wait till they release the DE layout cuz i cannot play on US layout >.< | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Duscha
Germany42 Posts
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Erk
United States52 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:32 Liquid`HuK wrote: its kespa mosuepad, other then that his keyboard looks really familiar to mine but it obviously cost like 100+$ lol becuz i only bang cheap stuff Well, after your career goes in full flight, the korean girls won't be able to keep their hands off you. Then you can bang some good stuff. WHADDUP BRO? | ||
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=751 <- German Filco They are UK based and therefore shipping should also be ok. Still vastly expensive. And there is NO Cherry branded keyboard with brown cherry switches. Heck, from my research on the site there is only ONE keyboard (G80-3000) which uses the MX switches which they themselves make. I described my drama on the last page. | ||
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Onioncookie
Germany624 Posts
On October 14 2010 10:46 FoxSpirit wrote: Yeah, keyboardco. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=751 <- German Filco They are UK based and therefore shipping should also be ok. Still vastly expensive. And there is NO Cherry branded keyboard with brown cherry switches. Heck, from my research on the site there is only ONE keyboard (G80-3000) which uses the MX switches which they themselves make. I described my drama on the last page. OMG ur the man but , are there rly no brown switches?! Still i think ill wait till it comes out "big" times in Germany cuz u get 2 years warranty :D | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On October 14 2010 01:42 semantics wrote: with coffee you want to clean not just let it dry out for 2 weeks 2 weeks? O_O. I didnt spill that much though, just the upper left part. Immediately turn it up side down...I clean it up properly. Now all the key are working perfectly EXPECT the "5" key which feel sticky a little bit...damn, must be those coffee that get stuck in there and dry up blocking the key.. T_T | ||
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United States576 Posts
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semantics
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On October 14 2010 13:39 Caphe wrote: 2 weeks? O_O. I didnt spill that much though, just the upper left part. Immediately turn it up side down...I clean it up properly. Now all the key are working perfectly EXPECT the "5" key which feel sticky a little bit...damn, must be those coffee that get stuck in there and dry up blocking the key.. T_T 2 weeks is a general rule before using electorics again that have been under water or something. If you clean it you can use it much earlier. But in general if something get's wet you want to unplug it remove the power from it then get to cleaning it. And after cleaning it you want to give a day or so to let it dry out. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I just found out that the Rosewill RK-9000 is now $85 at newegg.ca with $7 shipping For comparison it has the same features as the Majestouch Tactile Click NKRO the primary differences are the Rosewill has laser etched key printing (actually better than the Majestouch) and the logo is different. The keyboard layout is identical since they are both Costar boards. And the price, it's basically half the cost for a virtually identical keyboard. Filco keycaps are compatible as well It has blue switches, same as the Razer mechanical and the Adesso gaming keyboards. Meanwhile the Steelseries has blacks. Boxer uses blues, so don't think it's brown or bust. They are louder since they are clicky, but high apm + clicky is like "Fuck yeah" It's a really good keyboard for a very competitive price, I'll go out on a limb and say it's the highest quality mechanical keyboard you'll find outside of the Filco and you won't get screwed by customs fees since Newegg has some sort of arrangement with that regard. If you aren't deadset on a Filco I suggest jumping on this deal | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 14 2010 06:41 FoxSpirit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2010 06:26 ekuah wrote: sorry dude, this keyboard isnt the same :D, i own one with these white switches too, and theire NOT EVEN near the brown or blue switches. No you don't. Not with mine. There are only 3 of them right now. http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/key/mx.htm Even on the homepage there's only black, blue and white. The white one is the soft-tactile and if your look at the data-sheet, it's the one which is widely called the "brown" one. The "clear" switches listed here http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry switches and boards aren't even on sale anymore. And the white switches discuseed further down isn't it either. I'll mail Cherry to inquire what transpires here since they obviously don't sell brown colored switches themselves anymore. I'll update once I know more. edit: This page http://park16.wakwak.com/~ex4/kb/tech_cherry_mx.htm says that the cherry brown are "ergonomic" cherry white, that means a more pronounced bump but about the same resistance bump and activation force. The cherry datasheet also mentions that the curve is the ergonomic bump but with no mention of the color coding. Intriguing. edit 2: I feel a bit grumpy. I dropped them a mail inquiring further but am now convinced those are in fact slightly inferior switches. But on the whole website there isn't even a hint that those are even used in any models anymore, even less made, especially since the other keyboards of the same Type use the current blue and black ones. I want my money back :-( The english page you linked, where there are white, black and blue colored switches on the photo has a link to a .pdf with the product specifications. That .pdf shows the graphic for the brown colored switch from the japanese site you linked. The white colored switch from the japanese site is missing in that .pdf, so I guess there's a good chance your keyboard already uses the design you're searching for. You could try ripping out the switch from the Scroll Lock key and dismantling that, and then compare (with the photos from the japanese site) the design of the stem part of the switch, and if the spring in the switch is the hard one from the black colored or the softer one from the brown and blue colored switches. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 14 2010 08:08 lynx.oblige wrote: Another thing to take into account about the 7g is the tiny backspace key. I actually use backspace a lot, even in-game (larvae inject shift backspace method), so that was a deal breaker for me. I'm using a 6gv2 and I like it quite a bit. I thought I would care about tactile feedback until I started using this and realized it doesn't really matter for me. I bottom out a lot anyways, but the extra actuation force doesn't bother me. The only thing I dislike about the 6gv2 is the completely terrible right shift + backslash key placement. It boggles my mind that the people at Steelseries would put so much effort into two keyboards and fuck up the layout on both of them. It doesn't affect gaming, but it's an issue during every day usage when you want to use question marks (because it's 2 keys from the shift key.) If anyone from SS can possibly explain what the hell they were thinking, I'd love to find out. No one cares about a 2 row enter key. | ||
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Restless-
Malaysia86 Posts
. and i don't think i can find any filcos, rosewill, etc in my country, so trying to get my hands to "feel" those keyboards in a shop here is out of the question. | ||
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ToEiGht
38 Posts
On October 18 2010 07:01 Restless- wrote: so how do i decide which switch is exactly for me? purely for gaming, not just sc2 but some others as well(fps, sports games etc).. i kinda read everything but can't understand shit haha.. my english understanding when it comes to technical stuff is really badz . and i don't think i can find any filcos, rosewill, etc in my country, so trying to get my hands to "feel" those keyboards in a shop here is out of the question.if you are going all in for a gaming board the cherry blacks are probably the best choice. | ||
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United Kingdom381 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using looks like a fuji to me... | ||
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Malaysia86 Posts
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ShyRamen
United States322 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 18 2010 09:51 ShyRamen wrote: i can confirm, that's a fuji apple Shame i can't get the keyboard made from an apple tree http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Made-Walnut-Wood-Keyboard-Cherry-Mechanical-MX-/130328229669?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item1e582af725 | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 18 2010 10:04 semantics wrote: Shame i can't get the keyboard made from an apple tree http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Made-Walnut-Wood-Keyboard-Cherry-Mechanical-MX-/130328229669?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item1e582af725 LOL WTF... who the hell would buy that anyways on topic, I just received Filco pink cherry mx browns yesterday and oh em gee it's the best keyboard I've ever used, aside from IBM model m we had on our family PC back when i was a little kid. It does look a bit girly, but it's the lightest shade of pink and frankly I like the look better than black filcos. ![[image loading]](http://img225.imageshack.us/i/filco.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us | ||
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United States576 Posts
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semantics
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 18 2010 10:47 CaptainFwiffo wrote: CheckPrime has a pink one. Where did you find one for sale? Those white LEDs? i got mine from keyboardco.com. That's the only place I know that currently sells them. and the white LEDs are exclusively for the pink filcos I think. | ||
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velo
Australia48 Posts
Pink Lady > Fuji Apples imo. | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 18 2010 10:54 semantics wrote: Does it really matter if you have a pink keyboard who are you trying to impress with it and who will see it :D elitekeyboards was out of stock at the time so the only option I had was to purchase from keyboardco, and the pink filco cost the same as a black filco, so i took this colour as a free bonus | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 18 2010 15:16 velo wrote: I'm pretty shocked that he is using a G15 mouse... I just retired mine because I didn't like the feel of it for SC2. Pink Lady > Fuji Apples imo. You mean G9/G9x it's a really good mouse grip once you get used to it esp if you're a finger tip only kind of guy like i am. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 18 2010 10:54 semantics wrote: Does it really matter if you have a pink keyboard who are you trying to impress with it and who will see it :D Well firstly, it's not always about impressing people. A pink keyboard is cool, why not? Secondly, there are always LANs despite SC2 not being a real LAN game. I LAN every friday actually. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9018 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
The sound is also great and probably reminds me of old days, if not, the "klackering" they make is great. Some people even prefer the clickey sound but... well, if there are other people they'll go nuts :-P Still no answer from Cherry to my mail, maybe I'll have to reinquire and phrase things a bit more nicely, my first letter may have sounded a bit harsh. | ||
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 19 2010 09:13 lariat wrote: Mouse is a G9X.... surprised, that mouse is actually pretty shitty. Guess the mouse is not too important for SC2. Skill is important for SC2. Nal_Ra played and was consistently ranked as a top pro until retirement of SC using a ball mouse. Which he could get away with because SC runs at 640x480 so dpi isn't an issue. Mouse and keyboard never makes a pro. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
On October 18 2010 22:49 Garnet wrote: I just checked. All the brown switch keyboards are out of stock. i got it in just before it went out of stock XD maybe i got the last one | ||
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IKenshinI
United States132 Posts
On October 19 2010 09:13 lariat wrote: Mouse is a G9X.... surprised, that mouse is actually pretty shitty. Guess the mouse is not too important for SC2. who are you to say the G9X is shitty? Its a very good, compact mouse | ||
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
On October 19 2010 09:15 semantics wrote: It is, but for those who have more money at their disposal rather than practice time, maybe this is the way to go for them...Skill is important for SC2. Nal_Ra played and was consistently ranked as a top pro until retirement of SC using a ball mouse. Which he could get away with because SC runs at 640x480 so dpi isn't an issue. Mouse and keyboard never makes a pro. Besides, this stuff promotes esports | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 19 2010 09:13 lariat wrote: Mouse is a G9X.... surprised, that mouse is actually pretty shitty. Guess the mouse is not too important for SC2. Why would this statement hold any weight anyway? I can't take such an unmindful analysis seriously anyway. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 19 2010 10:12 Touch wrote: It is, but for those who have more money at their disposal rather than practice time, maybe this is the way to go for them... Besides, this stuff promotes esports Only if the company sponsors esports i've never seen flico sponsor anything. | ||
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
It was the black widow that got me thinking about mechanical keyboards, but from the problems that people are having with the ones they have received and the problems people have had with other razer keyboards I am very glad I went with a filco. Thanks OP for letting me know what a great keyboard my hero the fruit dealer uses. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
On October 19 2010 10:46 lynx.oblige wrote: Why would this statement hold any weight anyway? I can't take such an unmindful analysis seriously anyway. g9x is an extremely solid mouse and is great for sc2. In length, its shorter than even the Razer Abyssus but probably heavier. The teflon pads on the bottom are very large and it has a very nice glide on hard mouse pads. The precision grip gives the mouse a very minimalistic design. The mouse buttons are very easy to click and the mouse is very well built like many logitech gaming mice. I came from a razer death adder and i switched to this mouse about a month ago and i love it. My apm went up about 40 in sc2 with this mouse due to me being able to move it faster than the Death Adder. I believe the death adder is lighter, but it is also more bulky and much larger. The death adder is better for FPS, but i think the g9x is superior in RTS games. The only drawback i see with the g9x is the very stiff scroll wheel. It took about 3 or so days to get used to the very stiff scroll wheel. That was something i wasn't used to coming from an IME 3.0 (very soft scroll wheel mouse, had to push deep for it to actuate) and a very good scroll wheel in the death adder. I would recommend the g9x over the death adder for sc2 due to the fact the g9x also has rubber sides compared to the glossy sides of the death adder which could make your hands slip if your hands sweat while you play. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
surely less keys = less switches = should cost less | ||
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ciaNo
Italy123 Posts
Because Elitekeyboard's shipping to Europe is way too expensive | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On October 19 2010 09:13 lariat wrote: Mouse is a G9X.... surprised, that mouse is actually pretty shitty. Guess the mouse is not too important for SC2. I love brainwashed people like this that thinks that a cool gaming mouse / keyboard actually help you play better in any game. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9018 Posts
On October 20 2010 20:15 ciaNo wrote: Does anyone know any other webiste selling filcos? Because Elitekeyboard's shipping to Europe is way too expensive Try http://www.keyboardco.com | ||
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drmaul
United States51 Posts
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
ill let you guys know how it is when i get it. also i know its not gonna make me gosu, but hopefully it will give me a more comfortable feel when i play compared to this one i have now (some logitech standard one) | ||
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scottyyy
United Kingdom796 Posts
On October 20 2010 19:02 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: why is it more expensive if you get less keys surely less keys = less switches = should cost less By elitekeyboard's prices, the tenkeyless ones are cheaper. Majestouch Tactile Touch NKRO - $135 Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Touch - $125 On October 20 2010 20:33 Zoler wrote: I love brainwashed people like this that thinks that a cool gaming mouse / keyboard actually help you play better in any game. A good tracking mouse definitely does help in FPS games. Better tracking = more consistent aiming, which is of course good. | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
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gruntrush
Canada134 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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DaRkFrosT
United States407 Posts
Holy shit, this thing is sweet. | ||
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mrblue182
United States151 Posts
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
On October 20 2010 20:55 drmaul wrote: oGsInCa was using a similar keyboard(probably Filco's) as can be seen by the WASD keys. Was not able to see the whole keyboard so not sure what type of switches they had. I am pretty sure he was using a filco because he put the plastic cover over the top of it at the end of his match. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
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MileyCyrus
United States285 Posts
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On October 21 2010 10:27 lynx.oblige wrote: Plastic cover is so useful :3 Do you mind explaining why it is useful? | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
Well, I use mine for keeping dust out from in between the keys while I'm not using it. I'm assuming lynx.oblige does a similar thing. | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On October 21 2010 20:46 rEiGN~ wrote: I'd assume it's also an inconvenience to always take it off. Also, you have it lying around on your table or something… Less than the inconvenience of cleaning it. I don't really get why it matters anyway. Theres no law saying you have to keep your keyboard clean, people just prefer it that way. I only put the cover on if I'm going away for a few weeks. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On October 21 2010 20:52 vek wrote: Less than the inconvenience of cleaning it. I don't really get why it matters anyway. Theres no law saying you have to keep your keyboard clean, people just prefer it that way. I only put the cover on if I'm going away for a few weeks. Not just cleaning it. When you are transporting the keyboard, it's always nice to have a cover protect the keys. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
On October 21 2010 21:48 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I eat lunch at my desk, so the cover is nice so I don't drop crumbs or spill something into my keyboard. this. i live in a dorm and i have a lot of snacks so this cover comes in real handy for covering the keyboard while i eat. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
god damn cat hair too &.& | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9018 Posts
On October 20 2010 21:45 scottyyy wrote: By elitekeyboard's prices, the tenkeyless ones are cheaper. Majestouch Tactile Touch NKRO - $135 Majestouch Tenkeyless Tactile Touch - $125 The non-NKRO version is only $107. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 21 2010 02:42 CaptainFwiffo wrote: The feel between browns and blues is going to be very similar; the blues make more noise. You can listen to a sound comparison here. Thanks for the info! I am not so concerned about the sound but more of the feel. I have heard people say that they have a very similar feel but I have also heard some people say that the browns are too light for them (too easy to depress) and they prefer the blues. Since I have no way of trying them out, does anyone know the resistance on a standard membrane keyboard (approximate)? Thanks | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Buddhalol
Canada109 Posts
i ordered it from here http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkb104meb Delivered in about a week and a bit, was sold out at time of order aswell 5/5 super satisfied and damn does it make me feel Gosu when im in Micro battles ^_- Edit: JUST SWITCHED TO RED ESC KEY, kekekekeke i feel so gosuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On October 22 2010 04:54 Buddhalol wrote: My Filco Majestouch Tactile Touch just arrived in the mail today and i'm typing on it rite now and DAMN does it feel nice, even though i got the brown switches they still make ALOT more sound compared to my old rubbermat one. i ordered it from here http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkb104meb Delivered in about a week and a bit, was sold out at time of order aswell 5/5 super satisfied and damn does it make me feel Gosu when im in Micro battles ^_- GZ! Mine arrived on monday, and I agree, typing on it feels very, very nice. The sensation is hard to explain -- it's like every key press has a very precise and definite feel to it, makes typing fun! Highly recommended. | ||
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
i love the simple layout of this keyboard no frills or gimmicks just a nice bad ass keyboard. it's not as loud as i thought it would be (although definitely louder than my previous membrane keyboard) it's quite fun to actually type on. i have no previous experience with mechanical keyboards but if this thing lasts as long as advertised i'd definitely recommend this over any membrane. i definitely gotta mass game and see what starcraft is like on this bad boy | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:25 Monoxide wrote: Those of you in Canada that recieved their keyboards, which date did you order it on, and which date did you receive it. Also, if you don't mind, I would like to know which shipping option you chose. The province where you are would be very valuable as well. I am only asking because I want to estimate the time of arrival of mine. Thank you and enjoy your awesome keyboards! ordered: 2010/10/11 shipped: 2010/10/15 got it today (21st) i'm in vancouver bc, i went with priority usps shipping (i can't remember if i even had a choice) | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:34 foxyboxing wrote: ordered: 2010/10/11 shipped: 2010/10/15 got it today (21st) i'm in vancouver bc, i went with priority usps shipping (i can't remember if i even had a choice) Did you ever use the tracking thing? I got an email saying it's shipped, but when I try to track it, the tracking page is useless. | ||
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:36 Monoxide wrote: Did you ever use the tracking thing? I got an email saying it's shipped, but when I try to track it, the tracking page is useless. yep, it's reallllly slow though. for example i'd check and see International Dispatch, October 16, 2010, 4:38 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS) Arrival but it'd update on the 17th telling me what happened on the 16th -_-; | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:40 foxyboxing wrote: yep, it's reallllly slow though. for example i'd check and see International Dispatch, October 16, 2010, 4:38 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS) Arrival but it'd update on the 17th telling me what happened on the 16th -_-; Ya I got an email saying it was shipped on the 19th, but when I track they tell me something like "The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on October 19, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date." and its the 21st already. I have heard extremely bad review of USPS so I am worried. Nice to hear someone in Canada got theirs ok though. | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:34 foxyboxing wrote: ordered: 2010/10/11 shipped: 2010/10/15 got it today (21st) i'm in vancouver bc, i went with priority usps shipping (i can't remember if i even had a choice) Hey, How much extra did you have to pay the border? I am also in canada and would like to get a rough idea. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:51 Hyoseke wrote: Hey, How much extra did you have to pay the border? I am also in canada and would like to get a rough idea. I believe the shipping charge is $29. If I remember correctly, you do not get another choice for shipping. | ||
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unfo
Germany31 Posts
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endieg
Germany49 Posts
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:57 Monoxide wrote: I believe the shipping charge is $29. If I remember correctly, you do not get another choice for shipping. yup the shipping was 29$ and i didn't have to pay any extra fees at customs or anything or when it got delivered to my house | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:56 endieg wrote: i have the same mouse :D g9x but the other case I definitely like the original grip. I don't really like whatever the precision grip is made out of but apparently Cool does. | ||
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SilentCrono
United States1420 Posts
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 22 2010 11:15 SilentCrono wrote: omg i want a pink keyboard :D it almost looks good enough to eat it ![[image loading]](http://img832.imageshack.us/i/pinkmf.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:16 unfo wrote: Anyone from Europe ordered from elitekeyboards? Do they ship there, and at what costs? im from australia and it was about $50 express. no standard option | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:50 Monoxide wrote: Ya I got an email saying it was shipped on the 19th, but when I track they tell me something like "The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on October 19, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date." and its the 21st already. I have heard extremely bad review of USPS so I am worried. Nice to hear someone in Canada got theirs ok though. As someone who uses USPS to ship (because Priority Mail Flat Rate kicks ass), what this means is that your postage label was paid on October 19th, 2010 - this is the "electronic notification" they are discussing. Either they used Click-N-Ship, or for large shippers a service like Stamps.com et al is more likely. Your shipment has yet to be given to a US Post Office as of October 21st (because they update nightly). I would expect to see your shipment be scanned sometime tonight in all likelihood. Put the package on packagetrackr.com and sign up for email notifications on a free account- PackageTrackr will then email you as soon as it starts moving, when it's out for delivery, and when it's delivered/a delivery exception occurs. International shipping may be a little bit different. I've gotten registered Air Mail from overseas and the customs status was shown, but for outgoing packages there may be a scan delay. Either way, USPS tracking is kind of shitty. Don't fret just yet. On October 22 2010 16:43 inFeZa wrote: im from australia and it was about $50 express. no standard option UPS and FedEx charge insane brokerage fees and generally higher package fees on any package. Any other shipping option would probably be greater than the cost of the keyboard. | ||
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Divine[aX]
Canada161 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:34 foxyboxing wrote: ordered: 2010/10/11 shipped: 2010/10/15 got it today (21st) i'm in vancouver bc, i went with priority usps shipping (i can't remember if i even had a choice) How much did it cost? Any additional taxes like HST? | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
Not too bad. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 22 2010 22:51 muchadoaboutnothing wrote: As someone who uses USPS to ship (because Priority Mail Flat Rate kicks ass), what this means is that your postage label was paid on October 19th, 2010 - this is the "electronic notification" they are discussing. Either they used Click-N-Ship, or for large shippers a service like Stamps.com et al is more likely. Your shipment has yet to be given to a US Post Office as of October 21st (because they update nightly). I would expect to see your shipment be scanned sometime tonight in all likelihood. Put the package on packagetrackr.com and sign up for email notifications on a free account- PackageTrackr will then email you as soon as it starts moving, when it's out for delivery, and when it's delivered/a delivery exception occurs. International shipping may be a little bit different. I've gotten registered Air Mail from overseas and the customs status was shown, but for outgoing packages there may be a scan delay. Either way, USPS tracking is kind of shitty. Don't fret just yet. UPS and FedEx charge insane brokerage fees and generally higher package fees on any package. Any other shipping option would probably be greater than the cost of the keyboard. Ya they used click n ship. It updated saying that my package left the united states on october 21st. Once it leaves the US, can I no longer track it? | ||
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Kesler
Canada175 Posts
On October 23 2010 00:24 Divine[aX] wrote: How much did it cost? Any additional taxes like HST? 109 (price of keyboard) +29 (price of shipping) usd no additional fees beyond that | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:36 Monoxide wrote: Did you ever use the tracking thing? I got an email saying it's shipped, but when I try to track it, the tracking page is useless. They didn't put it in the tracking as far as I can tell. They shipped mine the 16th. im from NB and havn't gotten it yet. Shipping method: USPS Priority , sup. They didn't have any other option. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
From Canada, qc, didnt paid for the faster shipping. Keep posting update those from CA some we might have an ETA on ours. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
Your item is being processed by customs in CANADA. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later. Detailed Results: Into Foreign Customs, October 20, 2010, 8:57 pm, CANADA Arrived Abroad, October 20, 2010, 8:57 pm, CANADA International Dispatch, October 16, 2010, 4:50 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA(USPS) Arrival Electronic Shipping Info Received, October 15, 2010 Well.. guess i'll have mine next week If im lucky. Canadian custom sucks. | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
Since sc2 came out, I've been seeing mechanical keyboards all over the place. Is there a reason that players are just now starting to use them? Why don't any bw players? For so long everyone only talked about the dt-35, looks like that has changed now. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On October 23 2010 08:46 0mgVitaminE wrote: I've dreamed of getting one of these for a few years, never had the money Since sc2 came out, I've been seeing mechanical keyboards all over the place. Is there a reason that players are just now starting to use them? Why don't any bw players? For so long everyone only talked about the dt-35, looks like that has changed now. i think it's just because there is so many more options now for a long time all you had to choose from was IBM model M or unicomp | ||
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NobleDog
United States65 Posts
No biggie, as Fwiffo said: "I don't feel bad though, cause I think most folks think the Majestouch is a better keyboard than the Zero and cherries are better than alps. And anyway, if you listen to some of the other season 2 qualifier videos, there are other top players with Filcos that appear to have browns, e.g. sSKS (AKA Tester) and CheckPrime (a pink one). And a couple other players (including SlayersBoxer) are using the iOne Scorpius M10 which has blues." When the new stock comes in I'll be getting the brown switch tenkeyless. Just another nerd that found himself on the on the hook I guess! | ||
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DysFUNKtional
Canada51 Posts
Into Foreign Customs, October 19, 2010, 6:29 am, CANADA Arrived Abroad, October 19, 2010, 6:29 am, CANADA International Dispatch, October 16, 2010, 4:14 pm, ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS) Arrival Acceptance, October 15, 2010, 5:32 pm, RIVERSIDE, CA 92507 Electronic Shipping Info Received, October 15, 2010 I originally choose international express and some how it went to priority instead.... Contacted Elite Keyboards about the issue and they just refunded my $12USD, would have rather had the express shipping... waiting to long, still haven't received it. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
On October 23 2010 08:10 NuKedUFirst wrote: Well.. guess i'll have mine next week If im lucky. Canadian custom sucks. not as bad as australian customs. | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 23 2010 08:10 NuKedUFirst wrote: Well.. guess i'll have mine next week If im lucky. Canadian custom sucks. Mine took a whole week in Canadian customs. Waiting for this keyboard is the longest I've ever had to wait for a shipment from the US. Also, you might want to track that package using Canada Post (since it is now in Canadian Customs) because I found it more detailed than the USPS website. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
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Originalien
Australia28 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:09 CharlieMurphy wrote: seriously, That g9x seemed to bulky. I'll have to try it out at my friends house. It seems that way when everyone 1st looks at it.... Then u hold it. It contours well to your finger positions. It has weight tray with addable and subtractable weights to adjust the weight of the weight of the mouse.... ( lol trying to add as many weights as i could oh weight there is 2 more ) It has adjustable dpi on the fly, it has covers , thats why it looks so chunky fruit has the same cover on as i do ,the big contour to oyur hand one. Great mouse never looked back since i got mine years ago, beats razor mouses hands down. G19 keyboard is my preference as well, G keys on the side that i have keyed to 0 - 5 for my buildings/factorys. | ||
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kariido
Saudi Arabia179 Posts
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On October 23 2010 17:28 Originalien wrote: Great mouse never looked back since i got mine years ago, beats razor mouses hands down. And in my opinion G9x is pure shit compared to DeathAdder. It shows how everyone has their own taste regarding mice, and when getting a mouse, you should never make a buying decision based on what someone says, but rather try them at your friend's if possible, and pick the one that leaves the best impression. And yeah, I had G9x for at least half a year, but trying DeathAdder at LAN totally enlightened me. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 23 2010 08:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: i think it's just because there is so many more options now for a long time all you had to choose from was IBM model M or unicomp Cherry has also been around since forever, like that IBM model M stuff. I remember "Made in West Germany" mechanical Cherry keyboards, so those must have been from before 1990. I guess the BW progamer houses bought their stuff in bulk, so all players got the same DT-35 keyboard and Logitech mouse. Now, the players moving out and going solo for a while before getting into SC2 team houses, had to buy their own gear, and started to look around at other options. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 23 2010 13:55 sc2lime wrote: Mine took a whole week in Canadian customs. Waiting for this keyboard is the longest I've ever had to wait for a shipment from the US. Also, you might want to track that package using Canada Post (since it is now in Canadian Customs) because I found it more detailed than the USPS website. A whole week? or like in customs monday released on friday? Because mine is in customs today (monday) and I hope to get it on friday. | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 26 2010 11:49 Monoxide wrote: A whole week? or like in customs monday released on friday? Because mine is in customs today (monday) and I hope to get it on friday. Mine went in Customs on a Saturday and it didn't come out until the second Tuesday after. You should really stop checking it online if you do because it would just kill you. | ||
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Archduke
United States119 Posts
On October 23 2010 19:13 rEiGN~ wrote: And in my opinion G9x is pure shit compared to DeathAdder. It shows how everyone has their own taste regarding mice, and when getting a mouse, you should never make a buying decision based on what someone says, but rather try them at your friend's if possible, and pick the one that leaves the best impression. And yeah, I had G9x for at least half a year, but trying DeathAdder at LAN totally enlightened me. The G9x just never fit my hand well -- it's too damn small. The performance is fine but it's just the wrong shape and size. My Razers on the other hand (Lachesis and Mamba) have been absolutely incredible. That being said, the middle mouse button died on my Lachesis a little before two years of use. Some people might switch brands out of annoyance, but the performance of the Lachesis was so amazing that I had to get another Razer. I can't recommend them enough. More on topic, I have a Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless with Cherry MX Blue switches on order and I'm SO pumped. Love the sound. Love the feel. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 23 2010 21:25 Ropid wrote: Cherry has also been around since forever, like that IBM model M stuff. I remember "Made in West Germany" mechanical Cherry keyboards, so those must have been from before 1990. I guess the BW progamer houses bought their stuff in bulk, so all players got the same DT-35 keyboard and Logitech mouse. Now, the players moving out and going solo for a while before getting into SC2 team houses, had to buy their own gear, and started to look around at other options. :D Ofc you discount that these keyboards and stuff wasn't given to them by someone who would benefit from them using it. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 26 2010 11:52 sc2lime wrote: Mine went in Customs on a Saturday and it didn't come out until the second Tuesday after. You should really stop checking it online if you do because it would just kill you. WTF.... 10 days for a keyboard..... wow...I really hope they get used to so many keyboards being shipped in, that they realize that its just a keyboard and release mine fast. | ||
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Bolt190
United Kingdom2 Posts
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Goobus
Hong Kong587 Posts
On October 26 2010 13:12 Bolt190 wrote: Can you rebind the keys on this? Not talking macros, say '6' remapped to 'f1'. No. Download a program for that. Mechanical keyboards are exactly what they sound like. Mechanical. There's nothing digital about them. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
I order heaps of obscure things from overseas online and I have never had anything take more than 24 hours getting through customs... | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Frys and Microcenter don't even carry them | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
WTF.... 10 days for a keyboard..... wow...I really hope they get used to so many keyboards being shipped in, that they realize that its just a keyboard and release mine fast. I think it more so depend on how many things are going through customs at that time so I would assume it can be sooner. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 26 2010 14:19 sc2lime wrote: I think it more so depend on how many things are going through customs at that time so I would assume it can be sooner. Did you customs dates happened to go through thanksgiving? Maybe lots of stuff going through then. I can't really see holidays being a big deal for customs, so I'd expect there'd be around the same amount of stuff for them to filter everyday. I don't even know if what I just said made sense, I'm going crazy waiting for this thing. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Just ordered this. Looks pretty cool. Only cost me 20 dollars :D Is it available in US yet? (ordered mine from Korea) | ||
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Quallen
United States42 Posts
On October 26 2010 14:07 CharlieMurphy wrote: Where can I go to test out cherry keyboards with their different color switches? Frys and Microcenter don't even carry them Well microcenter does carry an Adesso keyboard that uses cherry blues but beyond that idk. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On October 26 2010 14:07 CharlieMurphy wrote: Where can I go to test out cherry keyboards with their different color switches? That's kinda tough one. To try out some different switches I borrowed a friend's Filco, and another friend's Topre Realforce. Not many retailers carry them. You might see a Steelseries 6Gv2 or G7 (black) or Razer Black Widow (blue) and try those. Browns feel about like the blues but without the extra clicky sound in the middle of the stroke. Next best bet is to ask around geekhack.org. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
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DysFUNKtional
Canada51 Posts
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/DysFUNktional89/Filco.jpg took a picture of it =D!! | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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DysFUNKtional
Canada51 Posts
On October 27 2010 08:56 Monoxide wrote: Mine got released by customs today. Customs are in missisagua and I'm in scarborough. Any idea how long it takes canada post to mail it here? Missisagua and scarborough are both in toronto btw for anyone who doesn't know. So I'd imagine that the package would arrive tomorrow since its out of customs already and its basically in the city. Any thoughts? I'm going crazy waiting for this thing. After it's released from customs it needs to be processed by Canada Post then it'll be sent to your city. Mine was processed at Vancouver,BC and delivered to Winnipeg, MB in 2 days. Use Canada Post tracking since it's in their hands now, it'll use the same tracking number. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
had to pay an extra $18.40 in brokerage fees :/ it's definitely a nice keyboard though, noisier than my old one but the keys feel very light to type on | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 27 2010 14:43 DysFUNKtional wrote: After it's released from customs it needs to be processed by Canada Post then it'll be sent to your city. Mine was processed at Vancouver,BC and delivered to Winnipeg, MB in 2 days. Use Canada Post tracking since it's in their hands now, it'll use the same tracking number. Nice so I'll get mine in 2 days max. Cause its being processed in Missisauga and I live in Scarborough and I can literally drive there to get it... so it'll be a short delivery trip. Thanks for your info; I hope I don't get charged customs fees. | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 27 2010 15:08 Monoxide wrote: Nice so I'll get mine in 2 days max. Cause its being processed in Missisauga and I live in Scarborough and I can literally drive there to get it... so it'll be a short delivery trip. Thanks for your info; I hope I don't get charged customs fees. i live in toronto and ordered mine from keyboardco which is in UK, and I wasn't charged with any customs. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 27 2010 15:17 hkfosho wrote: i live in toronto and ordered mine from keyboardco which is in UK, and I wasn't charged with any customs. Was the shipping hella expensive though? | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
shipping was like 23 euros or something like that, the total cost after everything was around 170 CAN for me. This is for the pink filco with brown mx and NKRO. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 27 2010 15:23 hkfosho wrote: shipping was like 23 euros or something like that, the total cost after everything was around 170 CAN for me. This is for the pink filco with brown mx and NKRO. Just out of curiosity, which carrier did you receive your package with? | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
On October 27 2010 15:29 Monoxide wrote: Just out of curiosity, which carrier did you receive your package with? Royal Mail International - that was the only option I had since it was from the UK... pretty damn fast shipping though I think it was like 3-4 days right after thanksgiving day in Canada | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
Just curious, if the blues did not have auditory feedback, which keys would most people prefer between the blues and browns? Thanks | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On October 27 2010 19:00 Hyoseke wrote: Just curious, if the blues did not have auditory feedback, which keys would most people prefer between the blues and browns? From what I gather, browns are pretty much blues without noise, but I think the actuation graph is not exactly same. I got browns and they're nice, can't say anything about other switch types because I haven't tried them. | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 27 2010 19:42 rEiGN~ wrote: From what I gather, browns are pretty much blues without noise, but I think the actuation graph is not exactly same. I got browns and they're nice, can't say anything about other switch types because I haven't tried them. Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. Based on your experience with the browns, would you prefer if you had more tactile feedback? I know that blues have a more pronounced tactile feedback which is why I am trying to figure out which most people prefer since sound does not matter to me. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On October 27 2010 21:42 Hyoseke wrote: Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it. Based on your experience with the browns, would you prefer if you had more tactile feedback? I know that blues have a more pronounced tactile feedback which is why I am trying to figure out which most people prefer since sound does not matter to me. If sound does not matter I think you will prefer blues more. | ||
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sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
On October 27 2010 19:42 rEiGN~ wrote: From what I gather, browns are pretty much blues without noise, but I think the actuation graph is not exactly same. I got browns and they're nice, can't say anything about other switch types because I haven't tried them. Browns still make noise but it's just not the clicky noise of blues. It makes noise when you bottom out the keys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODpAfVfUBYc It may not be as loud as the blues but depending on how heavy your typing is, it tends to make a bit of noise. | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 27 2010 23:11 Alpina wrote: If sound does not matter I think you will prefer blues more. How come? | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:24 lynx.oblige wrote: I haven't heard of Blues having better tactile feedback. Browns and Blues are both tactile, the actuation difference is Browns: 40g - Blues: 45g (Blacks: 60g). I heard somewhere that blues are considered "tactile" and browns are considered "soft tactile". | ||
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rEiGN~
369 Posts
On October 28 2010 00:00 sc2lime wrote: Browns still make noise but it's just not the clicky noise of blues. It makes noise when you bottom out the keys. True. I should've said "without click", don't know what I was thinking | ||
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sely
United States30 Posts
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Redunzl
862 Posts
On October 28 2010 04:30 sely wrote: Anyone notice Fruit Dealer was not using his Filco last night?....but Boxer (the real one) and Inca were using Filcos, although I didn't notice what switches. Just an observation. yea, i noticed this.. I think fruit was using a razer keyboard actually | ||
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Ekko
United States72 Posts
On October 28 2010 04:30 sely wrote: Anyone notice Fruit Dealer was not using his Filco last night?....but Boxer (the real one) and Inca were using Filcos, although I didn't notice what switches. Just an observation. No wonder he lost... but seriously if he did switch keyboards recently I would say that had something to do with it. I have switched 3 times in the last month to finally a mechanical with blues and its taken me a week to just start getting used to it. I would like to see if I could watch his eyes. I've noticed that when I first switch each time I have a tenancy to look down at the keyboard to make sure i'm on the right keys. I would assume he switched keyboards due to a better sponsorship from razor? I mean look at all the crazy amount of sales Filco had after fruit won. They were instantly sold out of his keyboard. | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:43 Ekko wrote: No wonder he lost... but seriously if he did switch keyboards recently I would say that had something to do with it. I have switched 3 times in the last month to finally a mechanical with blues and its taken me a week to just start getting used to it. I would like to see if I could watch his eyes. I've noticed that when I first switch each time I have a tenancy to look down at the keyboard to make sure i'm on the right keys. How do you like the blues? Have you had experiences with other switch types, more specifically, brown ones? If so how would you compare it? Thanks | ||
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Ekko
United States72 Posts
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 28 2010 05:54 Ekko wrote: I think the difference between blues and browns isn't really that obvious, they are both very close. Blue's are clicky but browns still make noise. Right now I love my keyboard and I do think it has helped me from misclicks due to the obvious feedback when a key is depressed. Thanks for your feedback! So other than the auditory feedback, you would say that the difference between blues and browns is only slightly noticeable? | ||
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Sisko
United States121 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:55 Hyoseke wrote: I heard somewhere that blues are considered "tactile" and browns are considered "soft tactile". Hardly. The only difference is the actuation point, which may slightly delay the tactile bump at best and the clickiness. You're asking for all this feedback but its all relative. The best way to find out is try them somehow or take a risk and pick one. They're nor very different anyway | ||
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cmh
United States88 Posts
On October 28 2010 04:30 sely wrote: Anyone notice Fruit Dealer was not using his Filco last night?....but Boxer (the real one) and Inca were using Filcos, although I didn't notice what switches. Just an observation. If you look back vs Fruit Dealers game vs BoxeR in GSL you can see he is using the Filco at the end of the 1st match around 17:14. | ||
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gn1k
United States441 Posts
On October 28 2010 04:30 sely wrote: Anyone notice Fruit Dealer was not using his Filco last night?....but Boxer (the real one) and Inca were using Filcos, although I didn't notice what switches. Just an observation. Someone beat me to it, but what are you talking about? FD was using his filco. | ||
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
On October 28 2010 10:48 gn1k wrote: Someone beat me to it, but what are you talking about? FD was using his filco. Does it even matter what switches he was using ? lol | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On October 30 2010 00:02 Hyoseke wrote: Anyone who uses cherry mx blue switches with SC2, do you guys have issues with the "double tap" release point problem? Thanks Nope. It is midterm season and I haven't played too many games, but the few games that I played to try out my keyboard, I haven't had any problems with double tapping. Maybe I don't spam fast enough? | ||
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Tactic11
8 Posts
On October 30 2010 00:02 Hyoseke wrote: Anyone who uses cherry mx blue switches with SC2, do you guys have issues with the "double tap" release point problem? Thanks I think the double tap issue of the blue switches was greatly exaggerated in order to sell more Black Switches (from a company stand point). Most people on other forums don't like black switches for gaming other than FPS's, but say Blues and Browns are perfect for gaming (Browns a little ahead). Also Filco Brown Tenkeyless has a backorder until Nov. 10th now, luckily I got my order in last week . | ||
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Hyoseke
20 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:08 Tactic11 wrote: I think the double tap issue of the blue switches was greatly exaggerated in order to sell more Black Switches (from a company stand point). Most people on other forums don't like black switches for gaming other than FPS's, but say Blues and Browns are perfect for gaming (Browns a little ahead). Also Filco Brown Tenkeyless has a backorder until Nov. 10th now, luckily I got my order in last week .Why would you say browns are better? Thanks | ||
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Tactic11
8 Posts
On October 30 2010 04:26 Hyoseke wrote: Why would you say browns are better? Thanks From my analysis, since my brown is coming in the mail I would say it is the "middle" ground between Black Switches and Blue switches. Though it has a lower actuation point (45g I think) vs 50g for blue, with a low tactile bump. It feels almost linear compared to the blues and still feels linear to people who went from a black switch to the brown switch. It is all just speculation from research I have done from OCN and Geekhack. When it comes down to it, do you want a clicky tactile bump from Blue switches, low actuation barely any tactile bump from browns, or high actuation linear from black switches? I don't think picking any switch will cause you to play any worse (except maybe Black switches if you get fatigued by them and just can't get used to them). | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
If you don't care about the sound of the keys, the choice between blues and browns (and clears for that matter) makes no practical difference. Neither is objectively "better", and other than the sound, the difference between the two is very small. Yes, browns are slightly lighter. So if you rest your hand on the keys in a heavy way, you could be slightly more likely to make accidental key-presses (until you adapt after a short period of use). And yes, because of the hysteresis in blue switches, if you double tap the keys in a very, very particular way, you might get annoyed (until you adapt after a short period of use). But in either case, you'll adapt quickly. You'll have to adapt to the feel and layout of any new keyboard regardless. If you like the click get blues. If you don't like the click, get browns. If you are unsure about the click, browns are probably the "safe" choice. If you honestly don't care about the click, get whichever is in stock, on sale, or has whichever other features you want. For the record, between those two choices, the keyboard fetishists at geekhack.org are exactly evenly split: + Show Spoiler + ALPS - Black (tactile) 2 1.20% ALPS - White (tactile + clicky) 7 4.22% Buckling Spring - (IBM M, F, Lexmark, Unicomp) 39 23.49% Cherry MX - Black (linear) 8 4.82% Cherry MX - Blue (tactile + clicky) 38 22.89% Cherry MX - Brown (tactile) 38 22.89% Cherry MX - Other (Cherry Clears, Cherry Reds) 6 3.61% Rubber Dome and Variants - Scissor, Cherry ML/MY, etc. 2 1.20% Topre Capacative (HHKB and RealForce) 23 13.86% Other (please specify in a post) 3 1.81% | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
http://forums.vr-zone.com/niceday-virtual-service-center/881591-pre-order-filco-limited-edition-blue-nkro-blue-brown-mx-cherry.html it looks like there's a spot available for pre-order! | ||
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
i am angry. seriously considering the black widow because of this. | ||
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On November 02 2010 03:42 AnodyneSea wrote: Is there anywhere I can get a korean layout on one of these? Doubtful. The Korean progamers that use FILCOs use standard. That's not conclusive however I haven't heard anything about a FILCO Korean layout either. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 02 2010 03:13 vicariouscheese wrote: WHY ARE THE FILCO MAJESTOUCH OTAKUS NOT IN STOCK i am angry. seriously considering the black widow because of this. Limited edition, bro. Once they're gone, they're gone. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 02 2010 12:25 muchadoaboutnothing wrote: Limited edition, bro. Once they're gone, they're gone. They said that their next shipment in early 2011 will have more Otakus. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 02 2010 12:36 skyR wrote: They said that their next shipment in early 2011 will have more Otakus. Good to know, although I'm sure that'll drive more than one person away (due to impatience). I'm currently alternating between my Rosewill RK-9000 with MX Blues and Filco Tactile Touch NKRO Otaku with MX Browns... love them both. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 02 2010 16:09 lynx.oblige wrote: I wouldn't guess Otakus are limited edition... pretty sure the white and pink models qualify more. http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=filco_keyboards,majestouch_104key&pid=fkbn104mnpek The "Otaku" or "enthusiast" Special Limited Edition Majestouch keyboard features Cherry MX tactile touch aka "Brown Cherry" metal plate mounted switches. I mean, it doesn't even come in a fully printed color box like other models- just a brown cardboard box with a label indicating the model #. At least this was the case when I my Otaku in May this year. | ||
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
I'm current using a G15 keyboard that I got as a gift, which is $75... | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The mechanical keyboards have for every key a seperate switch built out of several hard plastic parts that are not deformed when pressing down the key. The only part which changes shape is a metal spring, and a spring can be designed to never permanently get bent out of shape, no matter how old it gets. Every key on the keyboard should feel the same to press, and will never change. The non-mechanical keyboards use some kind of rubber like plastic domes to get the key to spring back up after pressing it down and feel mushy and wobbly compared to the Cherry switches. The Cherry switches never jam even when pressing the keys at their corners or when hitting them at an angle. This is also true for the large keys like Enter, Shift, Backspace and the Space Bar. The expensive mechanical keyboards are neat for typists and office workers and programmers that have to type all day long, or for special purpose keyboards that already are expensive and have to be reliable for more years than the cheap rubber dome keyboards. Cherry has in their catalog for example keyboards with a built in card reader or trackpad or a grid of programmable extra keys. I guess the G15 also counts as "special purpose" and Logitech should have slapped on some more $ on the price tag and made it a mechanical keyboard. The N-key rollover versions are just something to pitch the keyboards to gamers. (I think N-key rollover is also needed to type the script for the blind?) | ||
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stoned_rabbit
United States324 Posts
I read somewhere that these are manufactured by the same company that manufactures filco, but don't take that as truth until you do some more research. Anyone hesitating on a filco because of price though, this keyboard is fucking solid (weighs like 3 pounds) and is only 85$ on newegg (plus I got a free headset with mine.. kinda nifty). | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On November 03 2010 13:14 stoned_rabbit wrote: Hey guys this seems like an awesome thread. I just got this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201040. and I have to say it's amazing. Bit odd to type on but feels amazing and I'm sure I'll get used to it soon. Cherry MX Blues are fucking loud. But it feels like a dream to type on. Feels like I'm back in the day when rubber domes didn't even exist yet. I read somewhere that these are manufactured by the same company that manufactures filco, but don't take that as truth until you do some more research. Anyone hesitating on a filco because of price though, this keyboard is fucking solid (weighs like 3 pounds) and is only 85$ on newegg (plus I got a free headset with mine.. kinda nifty). My filco isn't actually that loud. Its not as loud as everyone makes it out to be. But it'll take some time to get used to for sure though. I'm still bottoming out soo many of my keystrokes. | ||
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ibgeekn4me
United States75 Posts
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Winters
Spain53 Posts
On November 03 2010 05:24 Babaganoush wrote: I'm curious as to why people purchase such expensive keyboards for Is it mainly for the N-key rollover? Is there a certain APM where the keyboard will not just handle the input as fast? I'm current using a G15 keyboard that I got as a gift, which is $75... My max APM ive seen in a replay is 180 avg, but im a programer (notice, not progamer) and im typing all the day long, also I play shooters and I apreciate a good keyboard, thats why I bought a Filco mx brown. BTW I had another mechanical keyboard before the filco, but broke after 17 years | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On November 16 2010 07:26 Moa wrote: I am going to buy a Filco Keyboard with brown switches. My question is, is The Keyboard Company a good website or should I wait for elitekeyboards to get a new stock in? Or is there any other retailer that carries filco keyboards? Unfortunately not. elitekeyboards.com and The Keyboard Company are the two major distributors (read: popular, yet small business overall) for the US and UK respectively. TKC is reputable, so don't feel bad buying from them. But I noticed you were in the United States, so be prepared to pay more for shipping if you order from TKC (although I can't remember if they'll ship to the US). In any event, I would email elitekeyboards.com first and check to see when they'll get their next shipment of browns in. I know when I talked to them last week, they said that they were busy fulfilling back-orders on browns, and now they're out. So I would expect another shipment to be in the works. | ||
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Khaladas
United States223 Posts
The first one came with a chattering key though (somtimes didn't register, sometimes double register, etc), had to send it back, but elitekeyboards just shipped me a new one and I had it within a couple days, then just returned the old one for free. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On November 16 2010 08:13 Kambing wrote: Unfortunately not. elitekeyboards.com and The Keyboard Company are the two major distributors (read: popular, yet small business overall) for the US and UK respectively. TKC is reputable, so don't feel bad buying from them. But I noticed you were in the United States, so be prepared to pay more for shipping if you order from TKC (although I can't remember if they'll ship to the US). In any event, I would email elitekeyboards.com first and check to see when they'll get their next shipment of browns in. I know when I talked to them last week, they said that they were busy fulfilling back-orders on browns, and now they're out. So I would expect another shipment to be in the works. Thank you very much for the info. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On November 16 2010 07:26 Moa wrote: I am going to buy a Filco Keyboard with brown switches. My question is, is The Keyboard Company a good website or should I wait for elitekeyboards to get a new stock in? Or is there any other retailer that carries filco keyboards? I'd suggest waiting for Elitekeyboards if you are in the continental US. I got a shipping quote from Keyboardco, and it was about 200 for the Majestouch 104 key after the exchange rate was applied. On November 03 2010 21:32 Winters wrote: My max APM ive seen in a replay is 180 avg, but im a programer (notice, not progamer) and im typing all the day long, also I play shooters and I apreciate a good keyboard, thats why I bought a Filco mx brown. BTW I had another mechanical keyboard before the filco, but broke after 17 years Programmer you mean =p | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On November 16 2010 10:06 JinDesu wrote: I'd suggest waiting for Elitekeyboards if you are in the continental US. I got a shipping quote from Keyboardco, and it was about 200 for the Majestouch 104 key after the exchange rate was applied. Programmer you mean =p If I had a keyboard that died after 17 years I would actually be sad. I am sorry for your loss. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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NobleDog
United States65 Posts
Unconditional recommend if you can afford the board. If someone plants the seed in some big fps forums, EKB will be pushing black switch boards out the door like crazy as well. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
I would probably try to see if the Geekhack forums would be more informative. I think a owner or at least a representative of EKB watches those boards. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
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MOOG
United States188 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On November 17 2010 17:20 vek wrote: Hmm whenever I've emailed EKB with a question I've always got an answer within 24 hours. Have you checked your spam/junk folders etc? Yup checked everything, still no reply; its been like 3 days | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:21 Monoxide wrote: Yup checked everything, still no reply; its been like 3 days Try calling them up instead. 1 minute on the phone was all it took to change my wasd keys from red to lavender. (In general, email correspondence with support people is always so spotty. It is the only time I prefer talking on the phone instead.) | ||
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dANiELcanuck
Canada217 Posts
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OolieDoolie
United States5 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:13 OolieDoolie wrote: The keyboard company is a UK(i believe) site that has filco if you are willing to pay for the more expensive shipping, otherwise you will have to wait. I emailed elite keyboards about their next stock a couple days ago buy no reply.Where can i Buy the keyboard, elitekeyboards all sold out. of the brown switch 104 keys | ||
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Xingke
United States78 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On November 19 2010 07:08 Xingke wrote: Damn that really sucks, i want the brown over blues because i room with four other people, the quieter the better. Hopefully i will catch next months shipment before they sell out for the holidays.I was lucky enough to get one in their shipment this month. In the conversation I had with a guy from elitekeyboards it sounded like they get 1 shipment a month. | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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OolieDoolie
United States5 Posts
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ecdN
United States94 Posts
On November 19 2010 09:05 OolieDoolie wrote: Does anyone know if Steelseries 6gv2 is comparable to Filco? Filco is a brand, Steelseries 6gv2 is a specific keyboard... Try to specify a keyboard for comparison. | ||
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OolieDoolie
United States5 Posts
Steelseries 6gv2 vs Filco Majestouch brown switch. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On November 19 2010 09:14 OolieDoolie wrote: Sorry thoguht it kinda implies since we are on the thread about fruitdealers keyboard, Steelseries 6gv2 vs Filco Majestouch brown switch. Well, the 6gv2 uses brown cherry switches so the pressure required to press them down is a bit more. Some players find blacks tire their hands out. I am currently using the Majestouch with the brown switches and it seems VERY solid. It could survive a nuke it feels so solid. | ||
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skp
Canada134 Posts
Filco black switches are pretty much the same as 6gv2 with the only difference being appearance and layout. | ||
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Divine[aX]
Canada161 Posts
On November 19 2010 10:11 skp wrote: Majestouch brown switch is different in that it has brown switches and the 6gv2 uses blacks. So really, I think you are asking about the differences between brown and black switches. Filco black switches are pretty much the same as 6gv2 with the only difference being appearance and layout. And the price. I've seen the Steelseries 6GV2 down to $75 at NCIX and MemoryExpress before, while the Filco can go up to $140 including shipping and taxes. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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butter
United States785 Posts
On November 20 2010 14:33 sluggaslamoo wrote: Actually keycaps are very fragile on any cherry switch based keyboard. I broke so many keycaps, and it was costing me so much to get replacements, that I ended up buying a keyboard with topre capacitative switches instead. Which IMO are much more solid that cherry switches. How did you break them :o | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
People who break keyboards will always find ways to break them, lasting 10 times longer means crap when you treat them like crap. I have old membrane keyboards that work just fine that i've used for years for various reasons, because i protect and clean, ie maintain them. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 19 2010 11:00 mardi wrote: Getting this keyboard has been probably one of the best investments I've made regarding computer peripherals. Headphones break, mice break, and mouse pads wear out but this thing is a beast. I could use this keyboard to hammer in a nail (but i won't ) and nothing would happen to it.But we demand a YouTube video of it, my good sir! | ||
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JJEOS
United States127 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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Babaganoush
United States626 Posts
Also, if you're not used to mechanical keyboards, it feels weird to type on first, but you get used to it. The first few days I used to constantly bottom out my keys. Now, not so much. And I dont understand how someone can break the keycaps on this thing. I used a $15 media Logitech keyboard for about 7 years and I *NEVER* broke a single keycap on that thing. Only time I broke a keycap was one I accidentally dropped a heavy book on my open laptop, breaking off a key. Then again those are scissor keys... which are pretty fragile. | ||
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sl0w
United States447 Posts
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AcTiVillain
Australia81 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
On November 21 2010 10:56 motus wrote: Not sure if this has been discussed yet but I don't think FruitDealer is using a filco anymore? Or that's what it looked like from GSL vids. You're right. You can clearly see his keyboard at 11:51 in this video. It's probably a keyboard that one of his sponsors gave him. Filco's are still damn good keyboards though, so anyone who bought one because of him shouldn't feel bad. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 21 2010 15:00 uSnAmplified wrote: Does anyone possibly know when elite keyboards gets their shipments in, i missed the last shipment on the browns and have not gotten a response from their customer support in a week. I'd also like to known this: every Tenkeyless except for the ones with the browns is in stock. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 21 2010 15:36 mrflakes wrote: You're right. You can clearly see his keyboard at 11:51 in this video. It's probably a keyboard that one of his sponsors gave him. Filco's are still damn good keyboards though, so anyone who bought one because of him shouldn't feel bad. Actually, I'm not so sure about that. I think it might at least be a type of equivalent since I'm seeing the same blue LEDs. Seems strange that he would switch. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 21 2010 18:25 Char711 wrote: Actually, I'm not so sure about that. I think it might at least be a type of equivalent since I'm seeing the same blue LEDs. Seems strange that he would switch. Hard to tell at the distance and angle, but the Font looks like the Filco font to me. And the blue LEDs are there... I would guess that he is still using the Filco but was asked to remove/obscure the Filco branding (easy with black tape) and put a sponsor's sticker on it (I'm guessing that's what is above the arrow keys). It makes sense. I saw a humorous picture once of a player using a Microsoft Intellimouse (optical, beige) with a huge Steelseries logo slapped over it. Sponsors will generally let you use the equipment you can win with but if it's a competitor you can bet they'll want you to have their branding instead. If you won't give up the keyboard/mouse/whatever, stickers work nicely. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On November 21 2010 18:25 Char711 wrote: Actually, I'm not so sure about that. I think it might at least be a type of equivalent since I'm seeing the same blue LEDs. Seems strange that he would switch. Filco doesn't have a large enter key. The board in the video is not a Filco. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On November 22 2010 08:19 CaptainFwiffo wrote: Yea elitekeyboards removed the mx browns off the site completely, they must be major backorderd. Only other side is keyboardco and i really dont want to pay 40 dollars shipping haha.It seems there there's now a global shortage of Filcos. Ooops. | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On November 21 2010 15:00 uSnAmplified wrote: Does anyone possibly know when elite keyboards gets their shipments in, i missed the last shipment on the browns and have not gotten a response from their customer support in a week. Finally got a call from Brian at Elite Keyboards on Friday morning. Seems he has been in Asia all week trying to figure out some supply issues. I managed to get my order in during the November 10th shipping and he didn't mention when the next shipment would be, but it seems like he is pretty darn busy right now. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 22 2010 08:24 absolutionsc wrote: Filco doesn't have a large enter key. The board in the video is not a Filco. I'm actually quite sure that I've seen it in other configurations. Some of our European brethren have mentioned being able to get a different layout somewhere. There's always a chance that some of that was talk about the Cherry keyboard that is made by the same manufacturer, though. And I was so sad to see the browns get taken off the site! I hope he puts it back on soon so that my order can go through! | ||
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
As absolutionsc said, that keyboard has a large enter key which Filcos don't have. There's also some kind of printing above the arrow keys (though that looks like it's just a sticker), and the Filco logo at the top right seems to be missing. He's probably using something else. Oh, and Filcos aren't the only keyboards in the world with blue leds. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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DROPPINBOMBS
United States312 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 22 2010 08:43 mrflakes wrote: @Char711, muchadoaboutnothing: As absolutionsc said, that keyboard has a large enter key which Filcos don't have. There's also some kind of printing above the arrow keys (though that looks like it's just a sticker), and the Filco logo at the top right seems to be missing. He's probably using something else. As I was saying the logo may have been covered. Point taken about the enter key shape. On November 22 2010 08:43 mrflakes wrote: Oh, and Filcos aren't the only keyboards in the world with blue leds. You know, I was so sure that Diatec had a patent on blue LEDs... | ||
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
The ABS M1 I'm using definitely has blue LEDs as well. Lawsuit inc? Edit: Perhaps the patent is for the two LED layout, rather than the traditional 3? | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On November 22 2010 08:24 absolutionsc wrote: Filco doesn't have a large enter key. The board in the video is not a Filco. Filco definitely has Japanese layout keyboards, which has an even goofier enter key. But I cannot imagine they don't have a Korean or European layout with the backwards L-shaped enter key. ![[image loading]](http://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/FKB108MJB_01.jpg) It may not be a Filco, but I think the backwards L-shaped enter key alone is not sufficient evidence. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On November 22 2010 13:21 Ancestral wrote: Filco definitely has Japanese layout keyboards, which has an even goofier enter key. But I cannot imagine they don't have a Korean or European layout with the backwards L-shaped enter key. It may not be a Filco, but I think the backwards L-shaped enter key alone is not sufficient evidence. Ah, thank you! I was positive I had seen pictures of the other configurations! | ||
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
On November 22 2010 13:21 Ancestral wrote: Filco definitely has Japanese layout keyboards, which has an even goofier enter key. But I cannot imagine they don't have a Korean or European layout with the backwards L-shaped enter key. It may not be a Filco, but I think the backwards L-shaped enter key alone is not sufficient evidence. Man, I wish EliteKeyboards would carry this. I know they have no reason to, seeing as how they're an NA distributor, but it would be nice. I do a good bit of typing to some of my friends in Japan, and although the Japanese IME is sufficient, it'd be nice to try the Japanese key layout. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 22 2010 13:20 mrflakes wrote: It's possible the logo could be covered because of the angle, but it seems like that corner is missing a logo altogether. Since he's not using an n-key rollover model, the silver logo would be pretty easy to see, but I didn't catch a single glimpse of it. Someone should just ask him what keyboard he uses when he wins his RO64 match, haha. He could just cover it in tape... or it may be removable. I'm not sure which. I haven't tried removing the Filco logo from my keyboards. On November 22 2010 13:20 mrflakes wrote:The ABS M1 I'm using definitely has blue LEDs as well. Lawsuit inc? Edit: Perhaps the patent is for the two LED layout, rather than the traditional 3? I was being facetious. Anyhow, the ABS M1 was made by Costar of Taiwan, who also is the ODM for the Filco & DAS keyboards. Having the LED layout be the same on the M1 makes sense as they have the same body (although the Filco uses the CST-104 and the ABS M1 used the CST-105A). | ||
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mrflakes
United States713 Posts
I figured as much. I clearly don't know as much about the manufacturers as you do, but unfortunately that doesn't really help us narrow anything down anyway. FD needs some more time in the spotlight so we could figure this out much easier. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 23 2010 02:49 mrflakes wrote: Mm, that's true. Just seems a bit odd since he did no such thing in the first GSL when all of this was brought about. Sponsors don't like it when people notice that you're using a competitor's gear. If my theory is correct and he covered it up it would most likely be due to all of the attention his brand of keyboard got on here and elsewhere. On November 23 2010 02:49 mrflakes wrote:[ figured as much. I clearly don't know as much about the manufacturers as you do, but unfortunately that doesn't really help us narrow anything down anyway. FD needs some more time in the spotlight so we could figure this out much easier. Indeed. It's not really clear from here what he's using... | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
http://en.skyok.co.kr/product.php?code=605 I'm not saying that you're wrong; perhaps they have another similarly named keyboard. Can you provide a source link though? I don't see it listed under the input devices section of Sky Digital's website. | ||
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
This page is not available in the English section, only the Korean one. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 23 2010 10:04 FoxSpirit wrote: http://skyok.co.kr/product.php?code=741 This page is not available in the English section, only the Korean one. Thanks. Interesting... | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On November 20 2010 15:45 semantics wrote: People who break keyboards will always find ways to break them, lasting 10 times longer means crap when you treat them like crap. I have old membrane keyboards that work just fine that i've used for years for various reasons, because i protect and clean, ie maintain them. No. The switches last ten times longer. The keycaps are very fragile because of the way the connectors are shaped and how thin they are. This is not good when you are constantly taking it with you to lans and whatnot. This is why companies sell after-market dual-injection molded keycaps for cherry switch keyboards, but rarely (if any) topre capacitive ones. TOPRE capacitive switches have a round connector rather than a 'plus' sign connector like the cherries, which is physically more robust. I would suspect cherry keycaps to be the weakest of the lot just by looking at them, I have never broken keycaps on any other keyboard, including rubber dome ones. If you look at the thinnest part of the keycap where the switch slots into, you will see why they are so easy to break, that part is paper thin and they always break there. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
They have filcos, duckys, etc and they ship anywhere. I really wish I could justify buying another keyboard, I would hop on a tenkeyless Ducky for $75 so fast. Here's the thread http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12854 | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On this website Razer also compares their board to other mechanical boards and (obviously) claim theirs is better. http://www2.razerzone.com/blackwidow/ | ||
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vicariouscheese
United States589 Posts
On November 24 2010 22:10 magha wrote: How does the Black Widow compare to the Filco Keyboard? On this website Razer also compares their board to other mechanical boards and (obviously) claim theirs is better. http://www2.razerzone.com/blackwidow/ lol at linking to razer's own website... go to geekhack to see the problems with the black widow and see if you'd like it (its not a perfect keyboard, but depending on how you use it, the problems it has may be non-important to you) | ||
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cler1c
United States8 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:57 sluggaslamoo wrote: No. The switches last ten times longer. The keycaps are very fragile because of the way the connectors are shaped and how thin they are. This is not good when you are constantly taking it with you to lans and whatnot. This is why companies sell after-market dual-injection molded keycaps for cherry switch keyboards, but rarely (if any) topre capacitive ones. TOPRE capacitive switches have a round connector rather than a 'plus' sign connector like the cherries, which is physically more robust. I would suspect cherry keycaps to be the weakest of the lot just by looking at them, I have never broken keycaps on any other keyboard, including rubber dome ones. If you look at the thinnest part of the keycap where the switch slots into, you will see why they are so easy to break, that part is paper thin and they always break there. + Show Spoiler + I've seen people who have "broken" the switch itself by being far to vigorous (on purpose for testing) when taking the keycaps off Cherry based keyboards. However, because the switches are so well made, they were able to put it back together with a little effort. I have never seen a broken keycap. I'm sure the topre keycaps are slightly more sturdy but honestly it's nothing anyone should worry about. | ||
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Lil.Sassy
United States54 Posts
On November 24 2010 22:10 magha wrote: How does the Black Widow compare to the Filco Keyboard? On this website Razer also compares their board to other mechanical boards and (obviously) claim theirs is better. http://www2.razerzone.com/blackwidow/ The only thing different is that it's prettier. It's also just a rip of another keyboard they just replaced the switch with mechanical ones and tacked on a razer logo | ||
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
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sely
United States30 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:57 sluggaslamoo wrote: No. The switches last ten times longer. The keycaps are very fragile because of the way the connectors are shaped and how thin they are. This is not good when you are constantly taking it with you to lans and whatnot. This is why companies sell after-market dual-injection molded keycaps for cherry switch keyboards, but rarely (if any) topre capacitive ones. Any idea where I can get some dual-injection molded keycaps for a Filco Cherry keyboard online? I can't seem to find any anywhere. | ||
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MOOG
United States188 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
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FoxSpirit
Austria160 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:51 FoxSpirit wrote: I'd say: depends on what your USB polling frequency is. If you haven't tweaked it, it's 8ms... for all attached devices including your mouse. Razers (mechanical) keyboards have 1ms | ||
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Inverted
United States50 Posts
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On December 01 2010 04:45 CaptainFwiffo wrote: In practical terms, it's not possible to improve keyboard response time significantly beyond 8ms, so having 1000 Hz polling is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. The minimum de-bounce time alone is typically 5ms, not to mention the time for matrix scanning, processing in the controller, overhead in the OS and software, 16.67ms between game frames... Well thats dissapointing lol. What about mice? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On December 01 2010 21:03 magha wrote: Well thats dissapointing lol. What about mice? Hmm, optical mice have to take pictures of the surface they're on, and do some calculations and compare old pictures with the newest one. I don't know how much time that costs. I did experiments about the mouse USB polling rate a few years back, when I still used a CRT monitor. The monitor I had ran with 150 Hz at the resolution I played Quake3. Quake3 itself ran with 125 FPS. The tweaking of the USB polling rate from 125 Hz (8 ms) to 500 Hz (2 ms) was very noticable. That I noticed the decrease by 6 ms lead me to believe that the rest of whatever the mouse hardware does, could very well be near to 0 ms. (btw: with the 60 Hz LCD screens nowadays, the USB stuff is a lot less noticable.) All that is only true for wired mice. I guess wireless has to add error correction to the movement data that's transmitted. I have a Logitech MX1100 wireless mouse, and that thing is so laggy that I only use it as a weight for when I'm airing the room with the ventilator on. The wireless seems to add much more lag than the 6 ms when going from 500 Hz to 125 Hz USB polling rate. The screen is another point: 60 Hz means, seeing a change in the position of the mouse pointer takes up to 17 ms. With the 125 FPS of Quake3 and the old CRT that could display that, it took only up to 8 ms to show the result of mouse movement. | ||
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:32 magha wrote: Whats the response time of a Filco Majestouch? Normal 8ms or 1ms? Last I read, Cherry MX switches have a debounce time of 5ms, and PS/2 is better than USB because it interrupts, not polls. Even on USB, the differeence between a normal poll and an 1000hz ULTRAPOLL would not be perceptible. Also, Filcos aren't coming back to EliteKeyboards. All replacement supplier info is currently speculation though. | ||
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Bc
United States4 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
On December 06 2010 17:38 Bc wrote: That's a shame. I need a new board just get the ducky cherry brown model , it'll be similar to FILCO it's only when you start changing switch designs that the boards start to really become different eg buckling spring instead of cherry switch | ||
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Bc
United States4 Posts
On December 06 2010 17:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: just get the ducky cherry brown model , it'll be similar to FILCO it's only when you start changing switch designs that the boards start to really become different eg buckling spring instead of cherry switch Where can I get a ducky? besides using google translator and ordering from a .tw website since I think I remember reading that EKB wouldn't have them until Jan/Feb. I don't want to wait that long | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 30 2010 16:03 Inverted wrote: Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever! | ||
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Bc
United States4 Posts
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Bc
United States4 Posts
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muchadoaboutnothing
United States22 Posts
On December 06 2010 17:38 Bc wrote: That's a shame. I need a new board You can order from PChome and a couple other places (Armygroup or something) still. EliteKeyboards will be stocking Leopold in Jan/Feb 2011. (EK announced the dates and the vendor switch, but not the new vendor. However, in the meta tags on Elitekeyboards, Leopold now occupies the spot where Filco used to be - meaning EK is trying to get top ranked for leopold now instead of filco). | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote: they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever! The color of that is awesome. I wish I knew Chinese x.x | ||
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velo
Australia48 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote: they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever! That blue is perfect for a brotoss | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Gcubed
United States131 Posts
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ArcNatural
United States13 Posts
On December 07 2010 23:01 Zzoram wrote: I hope that if Elitekeyboards really stocks Leopolds next year that they have a Korean/English option so we can use the Korean GG lol. The keyboard has nothing to do with being able to type Hangul characters. You can google how to add language sets to your OS and be able to type them. This also depends on what OS you have, as some do not have language support and you need to either upgrade or add them via another method. The keyboard just allows you to have labeled keycaps. I ended up going with http://www.daskeyboard.com/ I have to say I'm impressed. I got the cherry mx brown (silent) set and the keyboard is very sturdy and has great feel. I know everyone is jumping on the Filco bandwagon but I definitely think there are comparable keyboards. PCchome is pretty good as well as others have mentioned. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On December 08 2010 00:24 ArcNatural wrote: The keyboard has nothing to do with being able to type Hangul characters. You can google how to add language sets to your OS and be able to type them. This also depends on what OS you have, as some do not have language support and you need to either upgrade or add them via another method. The keyboard just allows you to have labeled keycaps. I ended up going with http://www.daskeyboard.com/ I have to say I'm impressed. I got the cherry mx brown (silent) set and the keyboard is very sturdy and has great feel. I know everyone is jumping on the Filco bandwagon but I definitely think there are comparable keyboards. PCchome is pretty good as well as others have mentioned. Yes, Das keyboard is a real contender to the Filco one. I recently bought a brown filco and will probably buy a blue switch Das keyboard soon. I'll post reviews of the comparisons when I do. | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On December 08 2010 00:46 OutlaW- wrote: Yes, Das keyboard is a real contender to the Filco one. I recently bought a brown filco and will probably buy a blue switch Das keyboard soon. I'll post reviews of the comparisons when I do. I probably would have bought a Das over a Filco, but shiny finish on a keyboard is an absolute deal breaker for me. Gross. Sorry Das, sorry Blackwidow. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:57 absolutionsc wrote: I probably would have bought a Das over a Filco, but shiny finish on a keyboard is an absolute deal breaker for me. Gross. Sorry Das, sorry Blackwidow. I just cover my keyboards with a old t shirt that i wash every month became easier then taking them apart and cleaning with qtips the nasty ass insides with hair and crap in it. I don't care about looks i use cheap keyboards. Also i roll up the end of the t shirts and there is my keyboard wrist rest that is soft and i can keep clean lol. | ||
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MOOG
United States188 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote: they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever! That's not a good protoss keyboard; thats a good Wings of Liberty keyboard, therefore its a Terran keyboard. The WoL box is blue, the UI is blue, and the website is blue. I bet you can pawn that off to Painuser or another terran for double what you bought it for. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 08 2010 06:16 MOOG wrote: That's not a good protoss keyboard; thats a good Wings of Liberty keyboard, therefore its a Terran keyboard. The WoL box is blue, the UI is blue, and the website is blue. I bet you can pawn that off to Painuser or another terran for double what you bought it for. it's teamliquid blue! | ||
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ShivaN
United States933 Posts
Haha, he got you there. That color is sick; I wish I had that option when I bought mine from EK! | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On December 08 2010 05:06 semantics wrote: I just cover my keyboards with a old t shirt that i wash every month became easier then taking them apart and cleaning with qtips the nasty ass insides with hair and crap in it. I don't care about looks i use cheap keyboards. Also i roll up the end of the t shirts and there is my keyboard wrist rest that is soft and i can keep clean lol. While this might be an acceptable solution for you personally, and honestly no offense intended, this is also the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day =) | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 08 2010 05:06 semantics wrote: [QUOTE]On December 08 2010 03:57 absolutionsc wrote: [QUOTE]On December 08 2010 00:46 OutlaW- wrote: I probably would have bought a Das over a Filco, but shiny finish on a keyboard is an absolute deal breaker for me. Gross. Sorry Das, sorry Blackwidow. [/QUOTE] I just cover my keyboards with a old t shirt that i wash every month became easier then taking them apart and cleaning with qtips the nasty ass insides with hair and crap in it. I don't care about looks i use cheap keyboards. Also i roll up the end of the t shirts and there is my keyboard wrist rest that is soft and i can keep clean lol.[/QUOTE] While this might be an acceptable solution for you personally, and honestly no offense intended, this is also the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day =)[/QUOTE] Yeah i thought it would be werid but it works out, my keyboard stay clean and better looking then a keyboard in one of those rubber keyboard condoms. And the t shirt is easier to clean and better feeling. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote: they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever! + Show Spoiler + I absolutely love the color of that keyboard! Such nice design, clean and yet stylish with the colors. | ||
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genra
Germany42 Posts
On December 08 2010 06:34 absolutionsc wrote: While this might be an acceptable solution for you personally, and honestly no offense intended, this is also the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day =) i find it very pratical and it didn't suprise me at all. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 08 2010 07:03 Zzoram wrote: Wait, do you type with the t-shirt on the keyboard, or just cover when not using? I used to only use it as a cover but then i found i can type though it without much effort. Touch typing. | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On December 08 2010 07:02 genra wrote: i find it very pratical and it didn't suprise me at all. It's like driving your car with the car cover on. On one hand it makes perfect sense, on the other hand it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. | ||
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NonY
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:14 Liquid`Tyler wrote: my keyboard already arrived from pchome. went from taiwan to america in less than a week for $20 shipping! How do you like it, Tyler? Brown switches ftw? | ||
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TritaN
United States406 Posts
On November 30 2010 16:03 Inverted wrote: Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches YES I picked up a Ducky tenkeyless DK1087 english with brown switches from PCHome. Ducky is probably the rarest mech keyboard within the USA, and it is absolutely as good as Filco. If you guys can get a Ducky from that site, definitely go for it. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
Where are all the FILCO keyboards? EliteKeyboards has made great strides in bringing the FILCO keyboard brand from obscurity to popularity over the past couple of years, but unfortunately our supplier is no longer able to meet the demands of our market. Not to worry! We're moving on to a new brand that will meet or exceed the quality of FILCO while providing a better value for our customers. Coming in 2011 Jan/Feb. Please join our newsletter for announcement of the release date of our new line of Cherry MX switch based keyboards! No more filcos? | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
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evoli
United States333 Posts
On December 11 2010 20:42 Monoxide wrote: From the elitekeyboards website: No more filcos? Yeah, you're going to need to do PCChrome or armygroup for Filcos now. | ||
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
On December 11 2010 20:52 Gigaudas wrote: Damn these threads, I just spent $150 on a keyboard and I don't even know if I'll be gaming any time soon. And it's not gonna make you pro anyway so well spent! Grats. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 11 2010 13:18 absolutionsc wrote: How do you like it, Tyler? Brown switches ftw? yeah i like the brown switches. it's exactly what i wanted from a keyboard. only other thing i would have liked is a built-in USB hub with 2 ports | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
On December 11 2010 23:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote: yeah i like the brown switches. it's exactly what i wanted from a keyboard. only other thing i would have liked is a built-in USB hub with 2 ports I agree, but I miss my media keys and calculator shortcut as well. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 11 2010 23:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote: yeah i like the brown switches. it's exactly what i wanted from a keyboard. only other thing i would have liked is a built-in USB hub with 2 ports http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-professional-silent/ | ||
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absolutionsc
United States146 Posts
I probably would have bought a DAS, but shiny finish on keyboards is suuuuuch a dumb design choice. I'd rather sacrifice the extra features than have a keyboard I need to wipe down every day. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 12 2010 10:21 absolutionsc wrote: I probably would have bought a DAS, but shiny finish on keyboards is suuuuuch a dumb design choice. I'd rather sacrifice the extra features than have a keyboard I need to wipe down every day. Do you touch the edges of your keyboard? i sure don't at least not on a regular basis. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On December 12 2010 10:58 semantics wrote: Do you touch the edges of your keyboard? i sure don't at least not on a regular basis. The entire surface of the keyboard is glossy. I don't see how you couldn't get it regularly smudged. I mean, it's on your desk, and, if you're using a keyboard like this, it stands to reason that that's a place you're going to be a lot (never mind the perfect typing posture needed so that no part of your hands ever touches the edges). Every review I've read of it mentions that it gets smudged insanely fast and that it practically requires regular wipe-downs to continue looking nice. When you're talking purely about practicality it's something you have to take into consideration. There's a reason why the Filcos are so popular -- beyond the progamers using them -- without having all of the fancy, space-age designs and bells and whistles. However, with the lack of Filcos, there's a chance I would be considering one of them if they had a Tenkeyless (especially if it kept the extra USB ports). | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
The only option I've got right now is the Das Ultimate but I'd prefer a matte black design with a less ostentatious look. No need for bright LEDs either. Also, any opinions from people who have tried both the brown and black switches would be appreciated. FPS gaming and RTS. | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
On December 11 2010 20:42 Monoxide wrote: No more filcos? Yeah, his supplier has been completely failing. The replacement brand is going to be Leopold, which is quite similar. You can read about it on this thread at geekhack.org. ![[image loading]](http://keyboardporn.com/images/leopold_preview/11_filco_leopold.jpg) | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On December 12 2010 14:32 CaptainFwiffo wrote: Yeah, his supplier has been completely failing. The replacement brand is going to be Leopold, which is quite similar. You can read about it on this thread at geekhack.org. First, I doubt he'll see it, but I would like to give a massive thanks to sixty here, as I am not a GeekHack member and am a lurker rather than contributor. This review is great, and is the perfect mix of depth and succinctness. I highly encourage you to read it, but I shall give you the salient facts. Here is what, undoubtedly, you guys are looking for from that wonderful review: The Leopold FC200R is a very solid and well designed keyboard. There is no doubt that it can keep up with the Filco. The few clever differences such as the improved stabilizers or the removable cable might even make it more desirable to some. Those of you who were afraid that Elitekeyboards would not be selling “elite” keyboards anymore should not worry too much. This is a very worthy replacement and will not disappoint new buyers and maybe even a few Filco fans. The Elitekeyboards newsletter already hinted that these would be priced at a more competitive value which is a definite plus too! According to the Elitekeyboards newsletter, the keyboard is currently scheduled for January or February 2011. I must say, this really assuaged my fears. Basically, for the price of one inch more of width, we get an improved Filco (nothing major, but improved nonetheless) for cheaper (which is what I love the most)! Another thing that some people might like is that, inferring from sixty's wording, the LEDs are not as bright as on the original Filco (sixty says "medium-bright grade" but also mentions something about people not liking bright LEDs, so I take from all that that he is talking about LEDs as a general complaint -- someone please tell me if you know differently, since I actually care about this part of the board for night gaming/paper writing). Overall, I think I shall remain optimistic. P.S. For another tip of my hat, I'd like to thank Fwiffo, who seems to be a continual font of knowledge in all the equipment threads I have the pleasure to talk to him in. Continue on, good sir! Edit: ripster, who I consider to be the Almighty Guru of GeekHack from my modest amount of lurking, has noted that the current conversion rate from won to dollar on these keyboards shows a price of $115. Considering this is a tenkeyless with NKRO and the Filco one like this went for $132, I'm thinking that we're not going to see too much savings unless some miracle happens. Also, build quality is being lauded for this, with emphasis on the better keycaps (than both Ducky and Filco, which the people here are talking about most) and how the keyboard is, like the Filco, very heavy and durable. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
i looked at the das keyboards before i bought the filco. i like the shape and appearance of the filco better. and that is horrible placement of usb ports. i would never use them because im right handed and my mouse goes to the right of the keyboard right there... so for me, the das doesnt even have usb ports! | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
Apparently the Leopold is significantly better, with everything from soldering and the overall board to key spacing, straightness and overall layout being better than the Filco. On top of the, apparently, outstanding keycaps, everything adds up to make it look like the Leopold is a solid choice and something you should wait for instead of going the Filco/PCHome route. TL;DR: GeekHack says the Leopold is the coming of the Keyboard Messiah. Wait for it because it's awesome. | ||
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MewDuB
United States10 Posts
They look similar to a default dell keyboard, but better! | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On December 12 2010 16:55 MewDuB wrote: I really enjoy these keyboards. They look similar to a default dell keyboard, but better!One of the things I really like about the Leopold is that they give you the logo as a separate sticker thing so that you can go brandless with your keyboard if you want. Sexy. | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
On December 12 2010 16:08 Liquid`Tyler wrote: i looked at the das keyboards before i bought the filco. i like the shape and appearance of the filco better. and that is horrible placement of usb ports. i would never use them because im right handed and my mouse goes to the right of the keyboard right there... so for me, the das doesnt even have usb ports! I hadn't exactly considered that. But usually there is enoughs pace for a usb cord to be curled back behind the keyboard. At least at the distance my hands are when I play. Also, usb drives would definitely be in the way but I don't need to have them plugged in while gaming. The das is the top contender for me atm. Which did you get from PCHome? Did you just use google translator or is there an english version of the site? And I wouldn't hype up the leopold that much, to say it's the keyboard messiah. It looks to be almost exactly the same as the Filco. And there has been hype over it but it's not close to perfect. The feel of the plastic, to how it wears down and gets shiny, and the too bright LEDs, and lack of usb/audio features makes it good but not great. And wasn't it already uncovered that the keyboard fruitdealer used was not a majestouch but an older filco with different switches anyway? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On December 12 2010 18:59 epik640x wrote: I hadn't exactly considered that. But usually there is enoughs pace for a usb cord to be curled back behind the keyboard. At least at the distance my hands are when I play. Also, usb drives would definitely be in the way but I don't need to have them plugged in while gaming. The das is the top contender for me atm. Which did you get from PCHome? Did you just use google translator or is there an english version of the site? And I wouldn't hype up the leopold that much, to say it's the keyboard messiah. It looks to be almost exactly the same as the Filco. And there has been hype over it but it's not close to perfect. The feel of the plastic, to how it wears down and gets shiny, and the too bright LEDs, and lack of usb/audio features makes it good but not great. And wasn't it already uncovered that the keyboard fruitdealer used was not a majestouch but an older filco with different switches anyway? Actually, it sounds like the perfect description, because people have held the Filcos up as the keyboard Jesus. So, considering the folks at GeekHack say that, if anything, this is better, that seems to be a relatively correct moniker. We're basically looking at a better version of one of the best keyboards out there. Being so close to the Filco is an incredibly good thing. There's a reason why people love them so much (and it's not just the progamer bit). And, remember, most keyboard enthusiasts don't care about those USB hubs or media features. In fact, most of them really don't like them. In the mechanical keyboard arena, you're far more likely to find boards without any of that stuff. | ||
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dthree
Australia150 Posts
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On December 14 2010 07:46 dthree wrote: Hey just ordered a ducky from PChome, anyone know how long shipping takes approximately? Well, from what Tyler was saying, you should be able to expect it in under a week. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
http://www.keyboardco.com/index.asp It looks legit enough and they have a FILCO Zero Tenkeyless for roughly 65 dollars (prices are in pounds), but I read that the Zero isn't as good as the Majestouch. Also, shipping is 20 pounds or so (to the US). The Majestouch versions are around 160 USD. Just wanted to post this for anyone looking for FILCOs. | ||
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Monoxide
Canada1190 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:48 Enervate wrote: I was just browsing around when I found a website that appears to be selling FILCOs: http://www.keyboardco.com/index.asp It looks legit enough and they have a FILCO Zero Tenkeyless for roughly 65 dollars (prices are in pounds), but I read that the Zero isn't as good as the Majestouch. Also, shipping is 20 pounds or so (to the US). The Majestouch versions are around 160 USD. Just wanted to post this for anyone looking for FILCOs. Um...The keyboard company is a widely known company for selling keyboards of that sort. So yes its legit. Most people in the US prefer EKB becasue if you convert the currency, its actually really really expensive to get it from KBC. Emphasis on the really. They also have a wider selection. | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On December 14 2010 13:48 Enervate wrote: I was just browsing around when I found a website that appears to be selling FILCOs: http://www.keyboardco.com/index.asp It looks legit enough and they have a FILCO Zero Tenkeyless for roughly 65 dollars (prices are in pounds), but I read that the Zero isn't as good as the Majestouch. Also, shipping is 20 pounds or so (to the US). The Majestouch versions are around 160 USD. Just wanted to post this for anyone looking for FILCOs. Keyboardco is the primary distributor of filcos to the UK, so they are goodness. | ||
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zergalici0us
1 Post
On October 04 2010 07:57 fisheh wrote: what kind of apple is he using Looks like a Macintosh apple | ||
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Meslam
Germany10 Posts
http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A50475324&c=A05 using google chrome to translate but it doesn't work since it looks like I need a taiwanese address. It seems there is another "global" version of their website: http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=store&func=style_show&SR_NO=DCAH23&tm=u but they don't offer any filcos, just duckys, cherrys and some others. Does anyone have experience with ordering from that shop or feels like experimenting a little bit with google chrome on their website to help me make it work? thanks in advance | ||
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undeinpirat
United States17 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
it really isn't worth your time. undeirnpirat, they are essentially the same, but the Blues are heavier and make a clicky sound. The browns theoretically shouldn't. | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 15 2010 23:28 Meslam wrote: I was just gonna order a 104 Filco with brown switches here: http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A50475324&c=A05 using google chrome to translate but it doesn't work since it looks like I need a taiwanese address. It seems there is another "global" version of their website: http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=store&func=style_show&SR_NO=DCAH23&tm=u but they don't offer any filcos, just duckys, cherrys and some others. Does anyone have experience with ordering from that shop or feels like experimenting a little bit with google chrome on their website to help me make it work? thanks in advance PChome won't be stocking Filcos anymore either. Your only options for a Filco now is http://www.armygroup.com.tw or www.keyboardco.com. There's another option as well but I don't quite remember at this time. | ||
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mullerhun
Hungary12 Posts
Which keyboard brand is now "the best" to get? Filco #1? Elitekeyboard #2? Is there a big difference between these? | ||
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NemesysTV
United States1088 Posts
On October 04 2010 08:03 CaptainFwiffo wrote: I'm not certain, but I believe the apple is a Fuji. Thought it was a gala o.o | ||
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mullerhun
Hungary12 Posts
i kinda posted in the wrong thread, wante to ask in the keyboard thread, sorry!!  | ||
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LanTAs
United States1091 Posts
On July 29 2011 02:18 mullerhun wrote: Hey guys! Which keyboard brand is now "the best" to get? Filco #1? Elitekeyboard #2? Is there a big difference between these? | ||
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mullerhun
Hungary12 Posts
On July 29 2011 02:51 LanTAs wrote: Elitekeyboards was the distributor for Filcos, but now carry leopolds which are the same thing as Filcos, but if you are looking for price, go for leopolds thx! its even hard to decide which type of keyboard! brown switch is the way to go? | ||
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