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On November 30 2010 03:45 xlep wrote:So I'm thinking about getting a Filco or the Razer BlackWidow. I've been reading reviews for some time now, but I've never actually touched a keyboard with mechanik switches. First question to all you german TL users out there: Do you know any big electronic sellers that exhibit any keyboard with blue or brown switches? Second but the more important one: Since I didn't find any information on that, are there Majestouch keyboards with a german layout? Some posts above someone said there'll be a Tenkeyless in spring, but I can't find more info an anything ^^. Same for the Blackwidow. It'd kinda suck to learn the new layout and I kinda need ß Ä Ö Ü and all that german jazz 
I don't think any big electronic store has them.
You can order a german layout here: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10031
But check if they are in stock first.
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posted this in another thread but I realized now it more suitable here
Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches
Mine will be here this week ^^
checkout geekhack for more info great community
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Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX?
They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key.
The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force.
Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing?
Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net
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On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net
the fact that theyre almost impossible to get 
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On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net
They are linear like black switches. That means you don't feel any change in the key's resistance for the point where it is activated. This is being recommended for FPS players, but for me a daily dose of Quake (quakeworld to be precise) felt as important as food a few years back, and I really don't see the point in the linear switches. Why would I not want to feel something in my fingers when the key is being activated and only see it on my screen?
The blue switch keyboard I have now is by the way perfect and has that click and the feel in the fingers at exactly the point where the key sends its signal. With membrane keyboards I used, there would be a point where the resistance of the keys would fall off because the rubber dome of the key collapsed, but this didn't mean that the key also activates. That's the best feature of my Cherry switch keyboard: every key feels exactly the same, and if a key produces the "click", the resistance in the fingers falls away a little and the key will have produced a character. There's no possibility for a typing error from the hardware angle.
The graph for actuation force on the page you linked to, doesn't show how good the keyboard here works: it's 100 % impossible to produce the key's "click" without the key switch also actuating (and the other way around, too), so the points in the graph for "tactile feel" and "operating position" are linked despite them drawn in different positions.
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just picked up one of these with cherry blue switches
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$110 from sidewinder computers
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On December 01 2010 17:56 vicariouscheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net the fact that theyre almost impossible to get
Yeah. I see that^^
On December 01 2010 18:09 Ropid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net They are linear like black switches. That means you don't feel any change in the key's resistance for the point where it is activated. This is being recommended for FPS players, but for me a daily dose of Quake (quakeworld to be precise) felt as important as food a few years back, and I really don't see the point in the linear switches. Why would I not want to feel something in my fingers when the key is being activated and only see it on my screen? The blue switch keyboard I have now is by the way perfect and has that click and the feel in the fingers at exactly the point where the key sends its signal. With membrane keyboards I used, there would be a point where the resistance of the keys would fall off because the rubber dome of the key collapsed, but this didn't mean that the key also activates. That's the best feature of my Cherry switch keyboard: every key feels exactly the same, and if a key produces the "click", the resistance in the fingers falls away a little and the key will have produced a character. There's no possibility for a typing error from the hardware angle. The graph for actuation force on the page you linked to, doesn't show how good the keyboard here works: it's 100 % impossible to produce the key's "click" without the key switch also actuating (and the other way around, too), so the points in the graph for "tactile feel" and "operating position" are linked despite them drawn in different positions.
I'm glad that Cherry MX Blue works for you.
Now back to Cherry MX Red.
Who's tried them that prefers Browns over Blues?
What make/model/manufacturer was it?
Where'd you get it?
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fwiw i have white ones
they good for me, and i fpspr0/sc2
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On December 01 2010 22:27 Emperor_Earth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 17:56 vicariouscheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net the fact that theyre almost impossible to get Yeah. I see that^^ Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 18:09 Ropid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net They are linear like black switches. That means you don't feel any change in the key's resistance for the point where it is activated. This is being recommended for FPS players, but for me a daily dose of Quake (quakeworld to be precise) felt as important as food a few years back, and I really don't see the point in the linear switches. Why would I not want to feel something in my fingers when the key is being activated and only see it on my screen? The blue switch keyboard I have now is by the way perfect and has that click and the feel in the fingers at exactly the point where the key sends its signal. With membrane keyboards I used, there would be a point where the resistance of the keys would fall off because the rubber dome of the key collapsed, but this didn't mean that the key also activates. That's the best feature of my Cherry switch keyboard: every key feels exactly the same, and if a key produces the "click", the resistance in the fingers falls away a little and the key will have produced a character. There's no possibility for a typing error from the hardware angle. The graph for actuation force on the page you linked to, doesn't show how good the keyboard here works: it's 100 % impossible to produce the key's "click" without the key switch also actuating (and the other way around, too), so the points in the graph for "tactile feel" and "operating position" are linked despite them drawn in different positions. I'm glad that Cherry MX Blue works for you. Now back to Cherry MX Red. Who's tried them that prefers Browns over Blues? What make/model/manufacturer was it? Where'd you get it?
I'm sorry I got into a rambling mood there. I should have stopped after the first paragraph. The point of that first paragraph was that I honestly thought you missed the fact that there's no physical feedback for the actuation and reset points in the red switches. Also the recommendation for gamers is from the geekhack.org guys and seemed like hearsay coming from them, because they are not actually hardcore Quake, CS, CoD, UT (etc.) gamers. They are keyboard enthusiasts and are simply interested in typing and never seem to choose linear switches for themselves.
I have access to blue and black switch keyboards and feel quite a bit lost and uncomfortable at the black switch keyboard because of the missing tactile feel. My opinion of the red switch won't be better.
About where to get the red switches: from lurking on the geekhack.org forums over the years, I only remember reports of Cherry G80-3xxx (I don't remember the exact number, but it wasn't 3000) keyboards for the Japanese market and other products from Hongkong or China. There was some Hongkong online shop with a variety of Cherry stuff and worldwide shipping.
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On December 01 2010 17:08 Inverted wrote:posted this in another thread but I realized now it more suitable here note I used google chrome's translator made the transaction flawless Mine will be here this week ^^ checkout geekhack for more info great community
Thanks for that link. It just made my day. However, I would like to really know what you feel about the Duckys once you get your hands on them. Since they cost significantly lower than the Filcos, I would imagine there should be some difference that matters. Whether it is a design decision that makes the Filcos better or merely something cosmetic that would matter only for purists. If someone who has their hands on a Ducky (since Google search did not yield me great results) can tell me what the differences are, I would be grateful for that.
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You'll find it almost impossible to find a board with red switches for sale to the US. Atleast that's what I've always read from geekhack and some other places. From what I hear unless you have someone from Japan that can buy a keyboard with red switches and then ship it for you, you're not going to get it. You're better off just deciding between brown/blue/blacks.
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On December 02 2010 00:45 Ropid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 22:27 Emperor_Earth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 17:56 vicariouscheese wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net the fact that theyre almost impossible to get Yeah. I see that^^ Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 18:09 Ropid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 17:31 Emperor_Earth wrote:Any recommendations Re: Red Cherry MX? They recommend it for gamers that don't tend to press the wrong key. The graph shows that the actuation and reset points are very close, and it requires 45g, very close to the Brown/Blue levels of actuation force. Yet I really don't hear much about them at all. In theory they seem perfect for me. What am I missing? Source: Mechanical Switches by Color - overclock.net They are linear like black switches. That means you don't feel any change in the key's resistance for the point where it is activated. This is being recommended for FPS players, but for me a daily dose of Quake (quakeworld to be precise) felt as important as food a few years back, and I really don't see the point in the linear switches. Why would I not want to feel something in my fingers when the key is being activated and only see it on my screen? The blue switch keyboard I have now is by the way perfect and has that click and the feel in the fingers at exactly the point where the key sends its signal. With membrane keyboards I used, there would be a point where the resistance of the keys would fall off because the rubber dome of the key collapsed, but this didn't mean that the key also activates. That's the best feature of my Cherry switch keyboard: every key feels exactly the same, and if a key produces the "click", the resistance in the fingers falls away a little and the key will have produced a character. There's no possibility for a typing error from the hardware angle. The graph for actuation force on the page you linked to, doesn't show how good the keyboard here works: it's 100 % impossible to produce the key's "click" without the key switch also actuating (and the other way around, too), so the points in the graph for "tactile feel" and "operating position" are linked despite them drawn in different positions. I'm glad that Cherry MX Blue works for you. Now back to Cherry MX Red. Who's tried them that prefers Browns over Blues? What make/model/manufacturer was it? Where'd you get it? I'm sorry I got into a rambling mood there. I should have stopped after the first paragraph. The point of that first paragraph was that I honestly thought you missed the fact that there's no physical feedback for the actuation and reset points in the red switches. Also the recommendation for gamers is from the geekhack.org guys and seemed like hearsay coming from them, because they are not actually hardcore Quake, CS, CoD, UT (etc.) gamers. They are keyboard enthusiasts and are simply interested in typing and never seem to choose linear switches for themselves. I have access to blue and black switch keyboards and feel quite a bit lost and uncomfortable at the black switch keyboard because of the missing tactile feel. My opinion of the red switch won't be better. About where to get the red switches: from lurking on the geekhack.org forums over the years, I only remember reports of Cherry G80-3xxx (I don't remember the exact number, but it wasn't 3000) keyboards for the Japanese market and other products from Hongkong or China. There was some Hongkong online shop with a variety of Cherry stuff and worldwide shipping.
No biggie. I have both Brown/Blue. Was curious on Red. Haven't tried a linear non-clicky yet:D
On December 02 2010 09:45 ShivaN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
You'll find it almost impossible to find a board with red switches for sale to the US. Atleast that's what I've always read from geekhack and some other places. From what I hear unless you have someone from Japan that can buy a keyboard with red switches and then ship it for you, you're not going to get it. You're better off just deciding between brown/blue/blacks.
Sadly you're gith.
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Also, anyone who is interested in the Duckys should check out the following links. Ducky 1087 and Ducky 9008 on GeekHack.
Apparently, there a few issues with the build quality of the Duckys but these were mostly noticed after ripping them apart and they maybe issues only if you are total purists like those on GH. I am sure no regular joe would notice them given they are priced nearly 40% less than the Filcos. But still something worth keeping in mind if you are in for the Duckys.
@Inverted, What model did you order, BTW? The DK-10XX or the DK-90XX. Not sure what the difference between them is but the DK-90XX I am pretty sure use Laser-engraved keys and on first look, the DK-10XX look like they use Dye which look better to the eye. I maybe pretty wrong here also, but that's how it looks to me.
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@BlazingInferno I decided upon this one link I kinda wish I got the TenKeyless, but if I end up really liking this one Ill get another maybe a brown cherry to add to my collection
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On November 06 2010 22:24 zeroISM wrote:
I'm really thinking of switching over from my Razer Tarantula to the FILCO Majestouch Cherry MX Brown.
Did anyone made this switch? How did it felt?
Anyways, I'll try typing a little on the Majestouch next week when I will go to the capital, if I buy it, I will let you guys know and post my review in this topic.
Well, after one month I can finally say this is the perfect keyboard.
I've bought a FILCO Majestouch KB w/ CherryMX Browns with numpad. My wife liked it very much so I took another shot and bought the tenkeyless version and some red keys.
This thing is so beautiful.
Typing on it seems like touching fluffly marshmallows. The tactile feedback is really impressive and it takes a while until you get used to the flow and smoothness of the keypresses.
I'm really busy at work at the moment, so I'm not playing too much lately :/
If I get to play more and my APM eventually increases after some time I will let you know.
I highly recommend this keyboard to every one out there with a non-mechanical keyboard, or for those who are considering buying one.
I have tested the BLACK cherry aswell, but I missed the Tactile feedback.
So my recommendation is the BROWN switches keyboard.
I will never go back to rubber keyboards!
Some pics:
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Just received mine from the kyboard compagny, great shipping, great support delivery fast !
The keyboard is awesome, so precise and so easy to type, i have brown switches it s not that noisy
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Got mine this week and cost me a shitton (shipping from USA to netherlands etc). I got the black switches after reading a lot on the forums i thought those would suit me best. Though i love the keyboard, with hindsight i would've chosen the brown ones after i been able to test them (wasnt able to test any switches before i ordered).
Overall great keyboard, but i wouldnt order one again simply because of the price rofl (200euros it cost me).
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On December 05 2010 06:01 Mithriel wrote:
Got mine this week and cost me a shitton (shipping from USA to netherlands etc). I got the black switches after reading a lot on the forums i thought those would suit me best. Though i love the keyboard, with hindsight i would've chosen the brown ones after i been able to test them (wasnt able to test any switches before i ordered).
Overall great keyboard, but i wouldnt order one again simply because of the price rofl (200euros it cost me).
OMG are you serious? 200 euro is almost $300, that's way too expensive man
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On December 05 2010 06:29 hitman133 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 06:01 Mithriel wrote:
Got mine this week and cost me a shitton (shipping from USA to netherlands etc). I got the black switches after reading a lot on the forums i thought those would suit me best. Though i love the keyboard, with hindsight i would've chosen the brown ones after i been able to test them (wasnt able to test any switches before i ordered).
Overall great keyboard, but i wouldnt order one again simply because of the price rofl (200euros it cost me).
OMG are you serious? 200 euro is almost $300, that's way too expensive man
haha and i am not even kidding. 142 dollar for board, 50dollar shipping, and for some reason had to pay 50euro's tax to dutch customs. 192dollar is like 140euro which is was completely fine with, logitech g15 is like 120-130 orso, but yeh the extra 50 brought it up to 190 which was a bit meh (Not 200, but close )
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