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those combo deals are nice.
only thing is aren't the hard drives a bit expensive? internals are suppoesd to be cheaper than externals. and i've seen a 1.5 TB external drive for 80 on newegg and microcenter. no need to pay the same amount for a third of the memory.
also the last link of the 460 there are cheaper versions of it. or is gigabyte a better brand worth the extra $30?
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Gigabyte has better fans I think. It's only a bit more costly anyways.
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Actually all of the 1 gig GTX 460 start at 229 on newegg, although i don't think their cooler is necessary but i figure 2 fans > 1, same goes with the 768 version starts at 199 on newegg, i didn't shop around just looked up parts on newegg.
Personally i rather get the MSI cyclone ones as they support over volting which can push they card into the 900MHz level
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On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:
when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another?
With BFG and XFX haven given up on Nvidia. EVGA is definitely the #1 go to for Nvidia because its the only board partner (i think) that offers lifetime warranty, stepup program, rewards program, excellent customer service, and its own software.
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And that will be able to run sc2 on medium/high right?
I'm tired of playing on low/medium  .
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On July 25 2010 05:05 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:
when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another?
With BFG and XFX haven given up on Nvidia. EVGA is definitely the #1 go to for Nvidia because its the only board partner (i think) that offers lifetime warranty, stepup program, rewards program, excellent customer service, and its own software.
ty sir
@semantics
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182173
700W power supply for 10dollar cheaper. =]
Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:06 Megalisk wrote:And that will be able to run sc2 on medium/high right? I'm tired of playing on low/medium .
with a 460? u could play on ultra, son.
i can play on ultra with my 9800 GTX+, which is way low tier (1000 3dm point ish)
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On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200 3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware :pWhat FragKrag said. even with large sample sizes? then how do u go about doing it the right way? when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another?
How about with actual FPS in actual games?
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I'm posting this as an updated build to my old one I posted in the old thread.
i7-930 $200
GTX 470 I picked up for $215
Mobo and 6 GB OCZ RAM $310
Xion 1000W PSU $100
Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM $80
Case $50
Fan $20
DVD Drive
And OS I'm getting from a friend for 30 bucks.
Total of 1025 before tax/shipping. I'd really like some advice on the quality of the PSU, as well as the Hard Drive. As soon as possible would be appreciated, I want to make a purchase on them before July 31st so I can get bing cashback and save some money. The PSU especially, because 100 dollars for a 1000W power supply just seems too good to be true, but the reviews seem pretty sound. Before you say 1000W is an excessive supply, I'm getting a second 470 later in the year, so I'm just getting prepared. Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
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On July 25 2010 05:12 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200 3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware :pWhat FragKrag said. even with large sample sizes? then how do u go about doing it the right way? when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another? How about with actual FPS in actual games?
is there a website that concisely charts it out for each card in a list? rather than having to sift through 10 pages of paragraphs per graphics card?
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On July 25 2010 05:17 waffling1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:12 FragKrag wrote:On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200 3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware :pWhat FragKrag said. even with large sample sizes? then how do u go about doing it the right way? when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another? How about with actual FPS in actual games? is there a website that concisely charts it out for each card in a list? rather than having to sift through 10 pages of paragraphs per graphics card?
guru3d is one: http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-december-2009/
tomshardware has one too I believe.
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On July 25 2010 05:20 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:17 waffling1 wrote:On July 25 2010 05:12 FragKrag wrote:On July 25 2010 04:39 waffling1 wrote:On July 25 2010 02:42 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 24 2010 20:20 waffling1 wrote:
Why the HD 5830 sucks
When it was first announced, the HD 5830 was supposed to be the card to bridge the HD 5850 and the HD 5770 at the $200 price range. However the HD 5830 turned out to be a disappointment because of its high retail price of $230, and because of its low performance. It failed flopped against the cheaper HD 4890 at $200, and showed very small increases over the HD 5770 which could not justify the $80 price premium. Due to the fact that it was based on a 58XX chip, it was also fairly large and shared the higher power consumption of the 58XX series while offering little of the performance. While the HD 5830 has dropped down to $200 recently due to the release of the GTX 460, we still cannot recommend it because the performance of the GTX 460 at around $200-$230 compeltely outstrips the HD 5830 in every respect.
according to 3dm benchmarks the difference between it and the 5770 are not "very small increases" it's 450 points. difference. i suppose it is "very small" only b/c of the expectation that the 58xx series is supposed to be so much better, but consider it in terms of the actual performance margins, not a series category. and compared to the 470, it's 250 points under. 30 dollars for 250 points, and 80 dollars for 450 points. i know price and points don't scale linearly, and that 3dm marks from one site isn't the end-all, but that kind of marginal price-to-performance ratio seems nowhere out of the ordinary. if the 5830 cannot be overclocked as i've heard rumors of, then that would be a different story. NVM, the 460 is exactly the same price as 5830: $200 3DMark / PCMark / SuperPi, etc they all mean crap when comparing hardware :pWhat FragKrag said. even with large sample sizes? then how do u go about doing it the right way? when comparing the exact same card released by different companies, (evga, sapphire zotac etc), is there any more reliable preference / track record for one brand over another? How about with actual FPS in actual games? is there a website that concisely charts it out for each card in a list? rather than having to sift through 10 pages of paragraphs per graphics card? guru3d is one: http://www.guru3d.com/article/vga-charts-december-2009/tomshardware has one too I believe.
ty so much kind sir. thats the only reason i was using passmark.com. plus it seemed to be in the ballpark when it comes to showing which one is better than another (the point in question is the degree of which one is better than another, yes?)
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thx. rankings are pretty reliable with even non game passmarks. the real advantage is the quanitification, being able to know how MUCH one card is better than another.
and this is maintained by one guy how much data sample size what sources is he using?
460 is ranked better than the 465, so is this list taking into account price as well?
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No the 465 like the 5830 is just trash.
The 465 uses a really crippled GF100 while the 460 uses a only partially crippled GF104
They perform nearly exactly the same(when they are both 1 gig), except the 460 runs cooler, uses less power and can oc like a mean mofo, also it is cheaper.
shit progress!
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On July 25 2010 05:17 1312020 wrote:I'm posting this as an updated build to my old one I posted in the old thread. i7-930 $200GTX 470 I picked up for $215 Mobo and 6 GB OCZ RAM $310Xion 1000W PSU $100Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM $80Case $50Fan $20DVD DriveAnd OS I'm getting from a friend for 30 bucks. Total of 1025 before tax/shipping. I'd really like some advice on the quality of the PSU, as well as the Hard Drive. As soon as possible would be appreciated, I want to make a purchase on them before July 31st so I can get bing cashback and save some money. The PSU especially, because 100 dollars for a 1000W power supply just seems too good to be true, but the reviews seem pretty sound. Before you say 1000W is an excessive supply, I'm getting a second 470 later in the year, so I'm just getting prepared. Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
Generally, Xion doesn't exactly produce the most solid PSUs. I believe JonnyGuru checked out one of their 700Ws and it was a negative review.
However, the more important issue here is that your case will not handle SLI GTX 470. Fermis already run hot, and you're sticking it into a $50 case with questionable airflow. Bad, bad idea.
You can try this Corsair 950W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013
Corsair 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009
This Kingwin 1000W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121075
This Sea Sonic 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151083
and please, please get a better case. Maybe like a HAF 922 at least...
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At spending 1000 bucks i expect a decent case. You know it's like if you're buying a 1000 dollar TV but then you want to only spend 50 bucks on the stand.
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On July 25 2010 05:34 semantics wrote:
No the 465 like the 5830 is just trash.
The 465 uses a really crippled GF100 while the 460 uses a only partially crippled GF104
They perform nearly exactly the same(when they are both 1 gig), except the 460 runs cooler, uses less power and can oc like a mean mofo, also it is cheaper.
shit progress!
i got the 5830 recently. even tho i may have been better off with another card it's still not too bad for the cost, right?
it may eat up more power, but apart from that....?
are the performance margins compared to other cards really that inefficient for the price differences?
i also hear 5830 is not really overclockable is that true?
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On July 25 2010 05:37 FragKrag wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2010 05:17 1312020 wrote:I'm posting this as an updated build to my old one I posted in the old thread. i7-930 $200GTX 470 I picked up for $215 Mobo and 6 GB OCZ RAM $310Xion 1000W PSU $100Seagate 1.5 TB 7200 RPM $80Case $50Fan $20DVD DriveAnd OS I'm getting from a friend for 30 bucks. Total of 1025 before tax/shipping. I'd really like some advice on the quality of the PSU, as well as the Hard Drive. As soon as possible would be appreciated, I want to make a purchase on them before July 31st so I can get bing cashback and save some money. The PSU especially, because 100 dollars for a 1000W power supply just seems too good to be true, but the reviews seem pretty sound. Before you say 1000W is an excessive supply, I'm getting a second 470 later in the year, so I'm just getting prepared. Thanks in advance for any help/advice. Generally, Xion doesn't exactly produce the most solid PSUs. I believe JonnyGuru checked out one of their 700Ws and it was a negative review. However, the more important issue here is that your case will not handle SLI GTX 470. Fermis already run hot, and you're sticking it into a $50 case with questionable airflow. Bad, bad idea. You can try this Corsair 950W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139013Corsair 850W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009This Kingwin 1000W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121075This Sea Sonic 850W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151083and please, please get a better case. Maybe like a HAF 922 at least...
Thanks for the advice, I'll get a HAF 922 and probably the Kingwin PSU as soon as I can. This is my first rig, and I'm not very well informed on cooling, PSUs, and stuff.
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On July 25 2010 05:42 waffling1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2010 05:34 semantics wrote:
No the 465 like the 5830 is just trash.
The 465 uses a really crippled GF100 while the 460 uses a only partially crippled GF104
They perform nearly exactly the same(when they are both 1 gig), except the 460 runs cooler, uses less power and can oc like a mean mofo, also it is cheaper.
shit progress! i got the 5830 recently. even tho i may have been better off with another card it's still not too bad for the cost, right? it may eat up more power, but apart from that....? are the performance margins compared to other cards really that inefficient for the price differences? i also hear 5830 is not really overclockable is that true?
Depends when you got it for awhile it was like if you where in a crappy situation where you wanted more then a 5770 but couldn't afford a 5850 kind of deal. But then the GTX 465 made some competition but not good competition, and now the GTX 460 is great competition
The 5830 can oc but it's something modest like from 800Mhz-900Mhz The mem should usually top out at 1300-1400mhz quad pumped as for any ati 5xxx card pretty much
The GTX 460 can oc from 675-800 without voltage and with voltage tweaking to 900mhz that is a huge oc in terms of %
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Semantics you are my hero :D just wanted to say that.
I think I'm going to get the 1GB 460 GTX instead of the 728 mb (in addition to the TB HDD). The only sacrifice is having a HDD with '16mb' cache instead of 32mb..and I don't even know what that means lol.
Thx for the recomendations.
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