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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
January 21 2012 18:58 GMT
#17921
Hey guys,
I'm itching to build a beastly streaming machine.

Case: Antec 900BS - $99.99
PSU: Corsair HX650 650W (80P BRONZE) - $119.99
CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K SB 3.4GHz - $319.99
Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty P67 - $119.99
RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 - $46.99
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) - $249.99
HD: WD Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM - $159.99

Total - 1,116.93
(not needed: monitors/keyboard/mouse)

Also grabbing:
AVERMEDIA Game Broadcaster HD - $142.80

Thoughts, recommendations?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 19:12:50
January 21 2012 19:02 GMT
#17922
Antec 900 is vastly outdated and not that good, HX650 is way overkill unless you're looking to SLI later on (and then still is not a good value at that price), and that's a lot for a hard drive.

I'd cut some things and get an SSD instead.

edit: wait a second, the motherboard only has a single PCI Express x16 slot so you can't even go SLI. That makes the HX650 price retarded, and you may as well get a $100 AsRock P67 Pro3 instead.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230

Also you're missing an aftermarket heatsink for the i7?

edit2: save $25 on RAM by getting this combo instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.805893

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

if single GPU, Rosewill Capstone 450W - $70 (you can go cheaper if you want)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

It's hard to recommend a case without knowing if blue LED fans or whatnot are a requirement...
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 20:01:53
January 21 2012 19:20 GMT
#17923
I always ignore/forget things like this, which is why I post here. DEFINITELY overlooked af-heatsink, I'll get on that.
Yeah, not interested in dual-cards. Never done the SSD/HD split before, I'll try it out.

Case recommendations? This guy's pretty, it worth it?: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139005

edit
Lol, ricing is not need, had that Antec case before and it worked, lots of review, etc etc. I don't know much about cases, everything just needs to fit in it, and the nice stuff like where you can stuff the cables behind/under the mobo always seem awesome, but pricy and not worth it since cords are usually easy enough to manage. I'm looking at your recommendations and altering the build.

Thanks for the time and help!

edit
I don't need the following: CDrom, monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers/headset/mic.

Looking at dropping price on GPU:
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) - $134.99
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 19:51:05
January 21 2012 19:46 GMT
#17924
Okay, looks aside, here are some case suggestions:

BitFenix Merc Alpha - $40
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63256&promoid=1363

Cooler Master HAF 912 - $50
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1130

Fractal Design Define R3 - $90
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=53539

Antec Eleven Hundred (more of a super mid tower) - $110
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=65171&promoid=1130


Crucial M4 64GB SSD is $100 shipped here (again newegg pricing it not great on that atm):
http://www.buy.com/prod/crucial-m4-ct064m4ssd2-64gb-2-5-sata-iii-solid-state-drive-ssd/221150371.html

edit: so if you get an SSD I would not recommend getting a particularly fast hard drive--well not like the Caviar Black is even that much better anyway--since you wouldn't be loading as much time-sensitive stuff from that. Something cheaper would be okay.

edit2: and if you get one of the cases above from NCIX, be sure that the total order is above $50 so you can get the free shipping.

Aren't you missing an optical drive?
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 20:59:31
January 21 2012 20:25 GMT
#17925
update
Building a streaming machine.
(not needed: monitors, key/mouse, speakers)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred - $39.99
PSU: Rosewill CAPSTONE 450W (80+ Gold) - $69.99
Mobo: ASRock P67 PRO3 - $99.99
CPU: Intel i7-2600K SB 3.4GHz - $319.99
RAM: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 - $22.99 ($37.99 - $15 combo)
HS/F: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $29.99
GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) - $134.99
SSD: Crucial M4 64GB - $104.99
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 7200 RPM - $89.99
CDr: ASUS 24X DVD Burner - $19.99
Total: $1,012.90

Advice requested. Thanks in advance!

Edit: Okay, CDrom only $20, added it on.
Edit: Updated SSD, changed case.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 20:42:56
January 21 2012 20:41 GMT
#17926
GTX 550 Ti is kind of borderline and significantly worse than the $150 HD 6850. I think it's worth the $15 extra.

I missed this before, but Crucial M4 64GB is $105 under this SKU (7mm height instead of 9.5mm height):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148528

Source 210 doesn't mount 2.5" drives like most SSDs natively I think. You can get an adapter, get an SSD model which comes with an adapter, or just tape it down or something like that.

Thinking long term, I'd still recommend the Rosewill Capstone, but it's a premium option that seems a little bit out of line with most of your other picks, which seem pretty price-conscious now. Antec Neo Eco 400C for $45 is a lower-priced yet quite capable alternative, if you want to save:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

Likewise, an i7-2600k really isn't going to be that much better than an i5-2500k, maybe like 25% better at best if you can find an encoding scenario where you can hit all the threads (doesn't often happen in practice with streaming), but close to 0% better for most situations. I left it alone before because you said you wanted a streaming machine and had all kinds of much worse wastes of money elsewhere in the build. I'd say this can be argued either way, so it's your call.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:03:10
January 21 2012 20:56 GMT
#17927
There's a $16 optical drive on NCIX, which is useful for bumping an order over $50 to get free shipping if you're already considering ordering another part through them. If you want to drop GPU price from the 560 Ti, you probably want a 6870:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

or a 460 (like $5-10 less than a 6850, anandtech has them about even on benches):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125412

The 6870 is more powerful than the 460.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:08:06
January 21 2012 21:02 GMT
#17928
Okay, let me also state money isn't really an issue. I'd like to drop prices where possible, but I want a nice rig first and foremost. I've also never SLIed, and have mixed feelings about it, I think it just better/easier to drop cash on one nice card rather than two lesser cards.

Should I just grab a 580, 570? I've had a better experience with nVidia than AMD.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:14:14
January 21 2012 21:08 GMT
#17929
A 560Ti is pretty good price/performance. Unless you play graphically demanding games and want them on maxed settings (rather than high settings), it should be more than enough. You can improve that a bit by getting an 560 Ti 448 (close to a 570). If you're considering a 580/570, I'd look for a cheap price on a used one from some enthusiast replacing theirs with a 7970. To me, a 580 is getting to the point where you ought to have a 2560x1600 resolution screen or eyefinity.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Cutebone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States62 Posts
January 21 2012 21:11 GMT
#17930
On January 22 2012 06:02 lengeta wrote:
Okay, let me also state money isn't really an issue. I'd like to drop prices where possible, but I want a nice rig first and foremost. I've also never SLIed, and have mixed feelings about it, I think it just better/easier to drop cash on one nice card rather than two lesser cards.

Should I just grab a 580, 570? I've had a better experience with nVidia than AMD.



Get a 560ti or a 560ti 448 cores.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 21 2012 21:16 GMT
#17931
GTX 550 Ti just plain sucks for that price. That GTX 460 for $140 is way better and is probably the best value other than arguably Gigabyte's GTX 560 Ti at $210:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401

Above GTX 560 Ti 448 is a huge waste of money if you've got a 60 Hz 1920x1200 monitor or less.

For many people 64GB on an SSD is not that much. If you're looking for a reasonable place to dump money, I'd get a 128GB model over upgrading from say CM HAF 912 (which has all the nice features including 2.5" drive mounting, except maybe great dust filtering) to Antec 1100. 64GB is enough for many people though, but a lot of people regret not having more space on their SSDs. It really depends on what you want to put on there.
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:24:18
January 21 2012 21:21 GMT
#17932
Okay, thanks for the card recommendations. Looking at:

EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores 1280MB 320-bit - $269.99

GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit
- 209.99

Only planning on running 1920x1080 (streaming).
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 21 2012 21:28 GMT
#17933
Streaming what, and playing what? Note that above GTX 460 is unnecessary for SC2 on ultra at 1920x1080. i.e. in general I'd call above GTX 560 Ti 448 a huge waste of money for most games, but for SC2, it's way past that point. It's not going to improve your streaming any.

This is the point where, if you really get the Ti 448, I need to have a disclaimer saying that if you overclock the crap out of the CPU and GPU AND run certain synthetic stress tests AND get around some power limiting on the GPU AND add a whole bunch of hard drives, you might be able to hit 450W power draw. But the power supply can do well over 450W anyway.
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:36:17
January 21 2012 21:34 GMT
#17934
I'm wanting to stream 1080p in any game with decent quality. I have an older PC, and a good laptop, so I'm grabbing a capture-card as well, but I'd still like this rig to stand alone.

Edit: Also, my speed 15 down 4 up, and I'll likely be upgrading that in the future. Haven't stream 1080p before, but I believe I should be able to manage it.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:39:54
January 21 2012 21:39 GMT
#17935
Great advice from Myrmidon. A bigger SSD will be far more luxurious than a fancier video card on 1920x1080. Remember, streaming does not require additional GPU power, just CPU power. When I said above graphically demanding games, I really meant a few very demanding games (that we don't even know if you play). 560Ti will be overkill for most games out there. And it will play any game with good quality at your resolution.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 21:45:39
January 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#17936
Overkill can be good when looking down the road though, I've also never done the SSD/HDD install before, so I'll take this advice and upgrade to the 128G. Stick with the Gigabyte's 560Ti.

Edit: Total comes to $1,172.90. Not bad, definitely wanted to stay well under $1,500.
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
January 21 2012 22:02 GMT
#17937
Just curious what you gurus think of this very economic build:

Case/PSU: Thermaltake v4 BE
CPU: G620
Motherboard: Asus P8H61
RAM: rendition by cruicial ddr3-1333
GPU: GTX 460

Total: $370

Mind you my current computer is a 4 yr old Dell inspiron 530 with an E2160 and 8600gt running SC2 on low with 50fps mid to late game.

I just wanted to upgrade to something that can be upgraded again when the new ivybridge processors come out.
Not needed are the monitor, HD, DVD, keyboard or mouse
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 22:12:36
January 21 2012 22:10 GMT
#17938
On January 22 2012 07:02 JFCycWalker wrote:
Just curious what you gurus think of this very economic build:

Case/PSU: Thermaltake v4 BE
CPU: G620
Motherboard: Asus P8H61
RAM: rendition by cruicial ddr3-1333
GPU: GTX 460

Total: $370

Mind you my current computer is a 4 yr old Dell inspiron 530 with an E2160 and 8600gt running SC2 on low with 50fps mid to late game.

I just wanted to upgrade to something that can be upgraded again when the new ivybridge processors come out.
Not needed are the monitor, HD, DVD, keyboard or mouse


why do you want to upgrade to ivrybridge in a year? I would keep the 8600gt (unless u really dont want to play on low), and just buy CPU/MOBO/RAM/PSU (use old case as well). This way you can get a better CPU and you can get a new GPU in a year.

edit: and i see people usually suggest newegg and ncix for US, so u might be able to find better prices there
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#17939
You don't want a case with a power supply unless you don't care about putting your $300 components at risk. You might as well just re-use the Dell PSU -.-'

Not sure why you're buying from Tigerdirect, I assume you live in a state where Newegg charges sales tax?

If you want to upgrade to Ivybridge, probably a better idea to get a Celeron since Ivybridge comes out in three months or just wait for Ivybridge.
BruteOLeary
Profile Joined June 2011
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 22:34:34
January 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#17940
Hey dudes, im building a new pc and need a little advice/help solving the cpu problem I am having.

HAF 912 Comp Case- $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

MSI 870A-G54 MoBo- $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130632

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t- $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

PNY Optima 8GB RAM DDR3- $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333

Antec Kuhler H20 620 Liquid Cooling System- $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209049

I already have the monitors as well as a 5770 (that I will be replacing with 2 6870s in CF in a couple weeks), a copy of win7, and a Thermaltake TR2 600w psu, and a 640GB hard drive.

Of course I will be playing a lot of sc2, along with skyrim, dead island, bf3, and various older games like left 4 dead. I plan on a 3 monitor setup, with 1 monitor displaying the comp stats (temp and such) and grooveshark, one with w/e game im playing, and another with TL and a stream. I want sc2 to stay above at least 30fps in 3v3's when I get the other 2 video cards on med-high settings.

Now for the big questions...
Is the i5 2500k worth upgrading to? And is the extra 2 cores with the 1055t needed over something like a Phenom II x4 960t?

Right now as my setup sits it will be $430 (I have a pc tool kit and some cables Im in need of as well), but with the i5 it will push the price up almost $100, and I really dont want to invest more into this if its not needed


EDIT: I forgot to add that I plan on OC'ing the 1055 to ~3.8 Ghz, Ive read that the stock cooler has allowed for 4ghz, so the 620 should keep it nice a cold at 3.8.
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