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On January 22 2012 07:02 JFCycWalker wrote:Just curious what you gurus think of this very economic build: Case/PSU: Thermaltake v4 BECPU: G620Motherboard: Asus P8H61RAM: rendition by cruicial ddr3-1333GPU: GTX 460 Total: $370 Mind you my current computer is a 4 yr old Dell inspiron 530 with an E2160 and 8600gt running SC2 on low with 50fps mid to late game. I just wanted to upgrade to something that can be upgraded again when the new ivybridge processors come out. Not needed are the monitor, HD, DVD, keyboard or mouse
If you can wait, then i suggest you hold out until ivy bridge comes out, which is supposed to be in april. so there's no need for you to upgrade imo.
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afaik they will only release the best ivybridge chips during april and are going to release the lower end parts in like late summer or even autumn so you might not be able to get them as soon as you would like
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Hey guys can you critique this build:
LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - $18.99
Rosewill RFA-80-RL 4 Red LEDs LED Case Fan - 4.99
BIOSTAR H61MGC Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - 59.99
APEX PC-389-C Black Computer Case 19.99
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 59.99
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory - 39.99
RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W Modular LED Power Supply - 39.99
Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz LGA 1155 Dual-Core Desktop Processor - 124.99
ASUS ENGT440 DC SL/DI/1GD3 GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - 56.99
I'm buying all of these off newegg. What do you guys think of this build? Any changes? Are they all compatible? Also, is it okay that the graphics card doesn't have a fan?
Thanks
edit: What do you think this computer will run sc2 on w/ ~30-40 fps?
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On January 22 2012 07:13 skyR wrote:
You don't want a case with a power supply unless you don't care about putting your $300 components at risk. You might as well just re-use the Dell PSU -.-'
Not sure why you're buying from Tigerdirect, I assume you live in a state where Newegg charges sales tax?
If you want to upgrade to Ivybridge, probably a better idea to get a Celeron since Ivybridge comes out in three months or just wait for Ivybridge.
Old computer is being given to a relative, so reusing the case isn't an option. I am also under the assumption that reusing a Dell case is more of a headache than it's worth, what with proprietary components(could be wrong). I won't be buying the new processors when they are released, however it will be within the end of the year.
Just going off of the resources in the OP, thermaltake has "decent" PSUs, and getting one in combo with a case seemed like the more logical and economic route.
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Thermaltake's low-end models are not decent. I wish that was taken out of the OP. (Various more expensive TR2 models and certainly many ToughPower range from decent to very good.)
Generally you only get something acceptable with a case + power supply combo with Antec and Silverstone, though the pricing may not be that good anyhow.
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Canada13817 Posts
On January 22 2012 07:13 BruteOLeary wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey dudes, im building a new pc and need a little advice/help solving the cpu problem I am having. HAF 912 Comp Case- $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233MSI 870A-G54 MoBo- $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130632AMD Phenom II x6 1055t- $150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851PNY Optima 8GB RAM DDR3- $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333Antec Kuhler H20 620 Liquid Cooling System- $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209049I already have the monitors as well as a 5770 (that I will be replacing with 2 6870s in CF in a couple weeks), a copy of win7, and a Thermaltake TR2 600w psu Of course I will be playing a lot of sc2, along with skyrim, dead island, bf3, and various older games like left 4 dead. I plan on a 3 monitor setup, with 1 monitor displaying the comp stats (temp and such) and grooveshark, one with w/e game im playing, and another with TL and a stream. I want sc2 to stay above at least 30fps in 3v3's when I get the other 2 video cards on med-high settings. Now for the big questions... Is the i5 2500k worth upgrading to? And is the extra 2 cores with the 1055t needed over something like a Phenom II x4 960t? Right now as my setup sits it will be $430 (I have a pc tool kit and some cables Im in need of as well), but with the i5 it will push the price up almost $100, and I really dont want to invest more into this if its not needed
Building on the Phenom II platform at regular pricing is just dumb. An overclocked core i5 2500k will dominate an overclocked Phenom II X6.
Memory can be had for less. You can get it for like $30 or less in a bundle with a core i5 processor.
Self contained liquid CPU heatsinks are just bad. It's much better to get a tower heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO or Plus if you aren't going for extreme overclocks (which you probably aren't).
Starcraft II (especially team games) is CPU dependent, CrossfireX isn't going to help you stay above 30 FPS.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 07:17 SoKHo wrote:
Hey guys can you critique this build:
LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - $18.99
Rosewill RFA-80-RL 4 Red LEDs LED Case Fan - 4.99
BIOSTAR H61MGC Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - 59.99
APEX PC-389-C Black Computer Case 19.99
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 59.99
Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory - 39.99
RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W Modular LED Power Supply - 39.99
Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz LGA 1155 Dual-Core Desktop Processor - 124.99
ASUS ENGT440 DC SL/DI/1GD3 GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - 56.99
I'm buying all of these off newegg. What do you guys think of this build? Any changes? Are they all compatible? Also, is it okay that the graphics card doesn't have a fan?
Thanks
edit: What do you think this computer will run sc2 on w/ ~30-40 fps?
What resolution?
Raidmax power supplies are all shit. Rosewill Green, Corsair CX, and Antec Neo Eco are all better choices for not much more.
On January 22 2012 07:20 JFCycWalker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2012 07:13 skyR wrote:
You don't want a case with a power supply unless you don't care about putting your $300 components at risk. You might as well just re-use the Dell PSU -.-'
Not sure why you're buying from Tigerdirect, I assume you live in a state where Newegg charges sales tax?
If you want to upgrade to Ivybridge, probably a better idea to get a Celeron since Ivybridge comes out in three months or just wait for Ivybridge. Old computer is being given to a relative, so reusing the case isn't an option. I am also under the assumption that reusing a Dell case is more of a headache than it's worth, what with proprietary components(could be wrong). I won't be buying the new processors when they are released, however it will be within the end of the year. Just going off of the resources in the OP, thermaltake has "decent" PSUs, and getting one in combo with a case seemed like the more logical and economic route.
Only their mid to high end units are decent. Their lower end units range from decent to shit. Without knowing the exact model, I wouldn't want to take the plunge.
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Hey skyR,
1600x1000ish, yes in the US, okay so only power supply should change?
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Canada13817 Posts
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Thats the last time I post in the tech forums after taking a nap.
Oh well, take this wild speculation instead.
7870 = $300
7850 = $200
Didnt we figure out that 7850's were die shrunk 6950's?
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Canada13817 Posts
If the 7800 are die-shrinks than they'll probably be $250-$300. The 6950 1GB will probably fall to $200 if this is the case.
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I could have sworn it was just the 7850's (that were die shrinks) and not the 7870's.
Ah well it doesnt matter my source is weak.
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Canada13817 Posts
7800 series is suppose to be based on Pitcairn, if Pitcairn is a die-shrink than ya... It is highly unlikely they will bin three GPUs from Tahiti this early.
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Alright, I get that the i5 2500k is a better processor. My new question is will the Hyper 212 be able to adequately cool the 2500k if i were to oc it to ~3.8-4.0Ghz? From what I know keeping the cpu colder will make it last longer, and if im going to invest the extra cash into the 2500k then I need to know how much of a difference the kuhler H20 620 or 920 will make as far as temps go compared to the 212.
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On January 22 2012 10:40 BruteOLeary wrote:
Alright, I get that the i5 2500k is a better processor. My new question is will the Hyper 212 be able to adequately cool the 2500k if i were to oc it to ~3.8-4.0Ghz? From what I know keeping the cpu colder will make it last longer, and if im going to invest the extra cash into the 2500k then I need to know how much of a difference the kuhler H20 620 or 920 will make as far as temps go compared to the 212.
Yeah 212+ is fine for 4.0.
Thats exactly what I am doing right now. 2500k@4.0ghz.
Temps are like mid 50's when everything is under practical max load. I wouldnt invest more money on an arguably better cooler, heck for only 4.0 you could probably stand to go cheaper.
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Canada13817 Posts
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_-
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On January 22 2012 10:51 skyR wrote:
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_-
Depends on the specific processor, some are bad quality and run lower with higher temps, or am i wrong in thinking that?
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Yes but most all of them should run 4.5 GHz, and a Hyper 212 will be adequate cooling for that (at whatever voltage is required to be stable, which will depend on several things but most importantly the particular chip you're using).
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On January 22 2012 10:55 Josh_rakoons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:51 skyR wrote:
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_- Depends on the specific processor, some are bad quality and run lower with higher temps, or am i wrong in thinking that?
You can't really get a dud with 2500k since only the better bins are chosen to be unlockable anyway. If there are out of spec cores or something, it would have been locked.
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