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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
January 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#17941
On January 22 2012 07:02 JFCycWalker wrote:
Just curious what you gurus think of this very economic build:

Case/PSU: Thermaltake v4 BE
CPU: G620
Motherboard: Asus P8H61
RAM: rendition by cruicial ddr3-1333
GPU: GTX 460

Total: $370

Mind you my current computer is a 4 yr old Dell inspiron 530 with an E2160 and 8600gt running SC2 on low with 50fps mid to late game.

I just wanted to upgrade to something that can be upgraded again when the new ivybridge processors come out.
Not needed are the monitor, HD, DVD, keyboard or mouse

If you can wait, then i suggest you hold out until ivy bridge comes out, which is supposed to be in april. so there's no need for you to upgrade imo.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#17942
afaik they will only release the best ivybridge chips during april and are going to release the lower end parts in like late summer or even autumn so you might not be able to get them as soon as you would like
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SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 22:19:36
January 21 2012 22:17 GMT
#17943
Hey guys can you critique this build:

LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - $18.99

Rosewill RFA-80-RL 4 Red LEDs LED Case Fan - 4.99

BIOSTAR H61MGC Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - 59.99

APEX PC-389-C Black Computer Case 19.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 59.99

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory - 39.99

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W Modular LED Power Supply - 39.99

Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz LGA 1155 Dual-Core Desktop Processor - 124.99

ASUS ENGT440 DC SL/DI/1GD3 GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - 56.99


I'm buying all of these off newegg. What do you guys think of this build? Any changes? Are they all compatible? Also, is it okay that the graphics card doesn't have a fan?

Thanks

edit: What do you think this computer will run sc2 on w/ ~30-40 fps?




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Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
January 21 2012 22:20 GMT
#17944
On January 22 2012 07:13 skyR wrote:
You don't want a case with a power supply unless you don't care about putting your $300 components at risk. You might as well just re-use the Dell PSU -.-'

Not sure why you're buying from Tigerdirect, I assume you live in a state where Newegg charges sales tax?

If you want to upgrade to Ivybridge, probably a better idea to get a Celeron since Ivybridge comes out in three months or just wait for Ivybridge.


Old computer is being given to a relative, so reusing the case isn't an option. I am also under the assumption that reusing a Dell case is more of a headache than it's worth, what with proprietary components(could be wrong). I won't be buying the new processors when they are released, however it will be within the end of the year.

Just going off of the resources in the OP, thermaltake has "decent" PSUs, and getting one in combo with a case seemed like the more logical and economic route.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 21 2012 22:36 GMT
#17945
Thermaltake's low-end models are not decent. I wish that was taken out of the OP. (Various more expensive TR2 models and certainly many ToughPower range from decent to very good.)

Generally you only get something acceptable with a case + power supply combo with Antec and Silverstone, though the pricing may not be that good anyhow.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 22:44:41
January 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#17946
On January 22 2012 07:13 BruteOLeary wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey dudes, im building a new pc and need a little advice/help solving the cpu problem I am having.

HAF 912 Comp Case- $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

MSI 870A-G54 MoBo- $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130632

AMD Phenom II x6 1055t- $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

PNY Optima 8GB RAM DDR3- $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178333

Antec Kuhler H20 620 Liquid Cooling System- $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209049

I already have the monitors as well as a 5770 (that I will be replacing with 2 6870s in CF in a couple weeks), a copy of win7, and a Thermaltake TR2 600w psu

Of course I will be playing a lot of sc2, along with skyrim, dead island, bf3, and various older games like left 4 dead. I plan on a 3 monitor setup, with 1 monitor displaying the comp stats (temp and such) and grooveshark, one with w/e game im playing, and another with TL and a stream. I want sc2 to stay above at least 30fps in 3v3's when I get the other 2 video cards on med-high settings.

Now for the big questions...
Is the i5 2500k worth upgrading to? And is the extra 2 cores with the 1055t needed over something like a Phenom II x4 960t?

Right now as my setup sits it will be $430 (I have a pc tool kit and some cables Im in need of as well), but with the i5 it will push the price up almost $100, and I really dont want to invest more into this if its not needed


Building on the Phenom II platform at regular pricing is just dumb. An overclocked core i5 2500k will dominate an overclocked Phenom II X6.

Memory can be had for less. You can get it for like $30 or less in a bundle with a core i5 processor.

Self contained liquid CPU heatsinks are just bad. It's much better to get a tower heatsink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO or Plus if you aren't going for extreme overclocks (which you probably aren't).

Starcraft II (especially team games) is CPU dependent, CrossfireX isn't going to help you stay above 30 FPS.


+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2012 07:17 SoKHo wrote:
Hey guys can you critique this build:

LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - $18.99

Rosewill RFA-80-RL 4 Red LEDs LED Case Fan - 4.99

BIOSTAR H61MGC Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - 59.99

APEX PC-389-C Black Computer Case 19.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - 59.99

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory - 39.99

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W Modular LED Power Supply - 39.99

Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz LGA 1155 Dual-Core Desktop Processor - 124.99

ASUS ENGT440 DC SL/DI/1GD3 GeForce GT 440 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - 56.99


I'm buying all of these off newegg. What do you guys think of this build? Any changes? Are they all compatible? Also, is it okay that the graphics card doesn't have a fan?

Thanks

edit: What do you think this computer will run sc2 on w/ ~30-40 fps?


What resolution?

Raidmax power supplies are all shit. Rosewill Green, Corsair CX, and Antec Neo Eco are all better choices for not much more.


On January 22 2012 07:20 JFCycWalker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2012 07:13 skyR wrote:
You don't want a case with a power supply unless you don't care about putting your $300 components at risk. You might as well just re-use the Dell PSU -.-'

Not sure why you're buying from Tigerdirect, I assume you live in a state where Newegg charges sales tax?

If you want to upgrade to Ivybridge, probably a better idea to get a Celeron since Ivybridge comes out in three months or just wait for Ivybridge.


Old computer is being given to a relative, so reusing the case isn't an option. I am also under the assumption that reusing a Dell case is more of a headache than it's worth, what with proprietary components(could be wrong). I won't be buying the new processors when they are released, however it will be within the end of the year.

Just going off of the resources in the OP, thermaltake has "decent" PSUs, and getting one in combo with a case seemed like the more logical and economic route.


Only their mid to high end units are decent. Their lower end units range from decent to shit. Without knowing the exact model, I wouldn't want to take the plunge.
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
January 21 2012 22:44 GMT
#17947
Hey skyR,

1600x1000ish, yes in the US, okay so only power supply should change?
"If you don't understand my silence, you won't understand my words"|| Big Nal_rA fan boy!! Nal_rA, Bisu, Huk, MC, Hero fighting! SKT1---->
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 21 2012 22:51 GMT
#17948
You can get this bundle for the processor and burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.813650

You should change to a Corsair CX430V2 for your power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Get the Biostar H61MGC for $50: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332 or Asrock H61M-VS for $55 instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

I'm not sure if you are counting mail in rebates or not since you did that for your graphics card. The Radeon HD6670 would be a better option. If you're counting mail in rebates than there are much better options for your other components as well.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 22:55:34
January 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#17949
Thats the last time I post in the tech forums after taking a nap.

Oh well, take this wild speculation instead.

7870 = $300
7850 = $200

Didnt we figure out that 7850's were die shrunk 6950's?
twitch.tv/medrea
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
January 21 2012 22:58 GMT
#17950
thanks for the help skyr
"If you don't understand my silence, you won't understand my words"|| Big Nal_rA fan boy!! Nal_rA, Bisu, Huk, MC, Hero fighting! SKT1---->
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 21 2012 23:05 GMT
#17951
If the 7800 are die-shrinks than they'll probably be $250-$300. The 6950 1GB will probably fall to $200 if this is the case.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 21 2012 23:07 GMT
#17952
I could have sworn it was just the 7850's (that were die shrinks) and not the 7870's.

Ah well it doesnt matter my source is weak.
twitch.tv/medrea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 21 2012 23:27 GMT
#17953
7800 series is suppose to be based on Pitcairn, if Pitcairn is a die-shrink than ya... It is highly unlikely they will bin three GPUs from Tahiti this early.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#17954
http://fudzilla.com/graphics/item/25353-radeon-hd-7990-to-cost-$849

$849 bucks for 7990 doesnt sound that bad actually.
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BruteOLeary
Profile Joined June 2011
United States29 Posts
January 22 2012 01:40 GMT
#17955
Alright, I get that the i5 2500k is a better processor. My new question is will the Hyper 212 be able to adequately cool the 2500k if i were to oc it to ~3.8-4.0Ghz? From what I know keeping the cpu colder will make it last longer, and if im going to invest the extra cash into the 2500k then I need to know how much of a difference the kuhler H20 620 or 920 will make as far as temps go compared to the 212.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 01:45:40
January 22 2012 01:45 GMT
#17956
On January 22 2012 10:40 BruteOLeary wrote:
Alright, I get that the i5 2500k is a better processor. My new question is will the Hyper 212 be able to adequately cool the 2500k if i were to oc it to ~3.8-4.0Ghz? From what I know keeping the cpu colder will make it last longer, and if im going to invest the extra cash into the 2500k then I need to know how much of a difference the kuhler H20 620 or 920 will make as far as temps go compared to the 212.


Yeah 212+ is fine for 4.0.

Thats exactly what I am doing right now. 2500k@4.0ghz.

Temps are like mid 50's when everything is under practical max load. I wouldnt invest more money on an arguably better cooler, heck for only 4.0 you could probably stand to go cheaper.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
January 22 2012 01:51 GMT
#17957
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_-
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
January 22 2012 01:55 GMT
#17958
On January 22 2012 10:51 skyR wrote:
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_-

Depends on the specific processor, some are bad quality and run lower with higher temps, or am i wrong in thinking that?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
January 22 2012 01:57 GMT
#17959
Yes but most all of them should run 4.5 GHz, and a Hyper 212 will be adequate cooling for that (at whatever voltage is required to be stable, which will depend on several things but most importantly the particular chip you're using).
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 22 2012 02:38 GMT
#17960
On January 22 2012 10:55 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 10:51 skyR wrote:
A 4Ghz overclock for a 2500k is a joke. You can take the 2500k with a Hyper 212+ to ~4.5GHz with little to zero effort. A closed loop liquid heatsink is really unnecessary unless you are pushing to 5GHz. Tower heatsinks are just better -_-

Depends on the specific processor, some are bad quality and run lower with higher temps, or am i wrong in thinking that?


You can't really get a dud with 2500k since only the better bins are chosen to be unlockable anyway. If there are out of spec cores or something, it would have been locked.
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