EPTBy the way, if you're not sure about cooling, you can get advice from Womwomwom, he's from Australia, and can probably give you local insight. He's solid on cooling stuff in general, too.
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JingleHell
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By the way, if you're not sure about cooling, you can get advice from Womwomwom, he's from Australia, and can probably give you local insight. He's solid on cooling stuff in general, too. | ||
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Sergov
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tarpman
Canada723 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:12 skyR wrote: Ivybridge is expected for March or April of next year so you won't be upgrading to Ivybridge in a year if that's your plan. It would probably be Haswell, in which case you might need a new motherboard. I see. The main thing I want from Ivy Bridge (compared to SnB) is the reduced power consumption. So the real question is whether I would save enough power over its lifetime, to pay for what I'd be buying for the initial build. My gut reaction is probably not...  so I should probably just get a decent SnB now and be happy with it.+ Show Spoiler + On the other hand, you can still find Clarkdales pretty easily. So a year from now I would expect Ivy Bridge to be still available, and for the price to have dropped a bunch... Thanks a lot for your detailed answer and recommendations! | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 17 2011 11:59 tarpman wrote: I see. The main thing I want from Ivy Bridge (compared to SnB) is the reduced power consumption. So the real question is whether I would save enough power over its lifetime, to pay for what I'd be buying for the initial build. My gut reaction is probably not... so I should probably just get a decent SnB now and be happy with it.+ Show Spoiler + On the other hand, you can still find Clarkdales pretty easily. So a year from now I would expect Ivy Bridge to be still available, and for the price to have dropped a bunch... Thanks a lot for your detailed answer and recommendations! Clarkdale isn't EOL yet, it's still being produced and only certain models will become EOL by the end of the year. Also, Intel doesn't drop prices when their processors become end of life. Many retailers will just simply leave it at whatever price it is or just de-list it entirely. Unless you are buying off RFD or another BST forum, it probably wouldn't be the best idea to upgrade to Ivybridge when Haswell is available. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Womwomwom
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I've used an Antec P183 and I'm currently using a Silverstone FT02. So I've used a case designed for silent computing (in fact I completely blocked the top exhaust vent with thick plastic sheet to block noise) and one high airflow case with 3x 180mm fans. I ditched the Antec P183 because I was going to go dual GPU but that fell through the floor due to laziness. Anyway CPU cooling has been solved, so long you don't aim for stupid overclocks and keep voltages moderate, any properly mounted 150mm+ tall CPU tower cooler will keep the CPU within safe operating ranges. I guarantee it, it is actually really, really difficult to cause the CPU to overheat and I've never managed it before even in 40 degree days. GPU cooling is a problem though. With those squirrel cage stock coolers that exhaust air outside, you absolutely cannot overclock them in 40 degree days so don't even bother. It doesn't matter how much airflow you have, the ambient temperature causes the GPU to heat close to the threshold. That being said, no single GPU system should really overheat even in 40 degree days. Most coolers basically take care of themselves and will crank up the fan if heat becomes a serious issue. That's about it. Maybe I'm really lucky but when people talk about overheating desktops at Teamliquid, I get really confused because I have no idea what they are doing to cause their hardware to die. CPU coolers are so heavy that they laugh at light overclocks; GPU cooling is still a problem but if you don't overclock them, the cards will more or less take care of themselves. Just keep your computer room clean and constantly clean the dust filters and heat will never be a problem. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Also a Vertex 3 60gb for $110: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62030&promoid=1365 Also a Seasonic S12II 620 for $60: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=52174&promoid=1365 And a MSI GTX 560 Ti Hawk (Twin Frozr III) for $240, $220 after mail in rebate: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60642&promoid=1365 All with free shipping. You can also get your processors for $5 less from NCIX instead of Newegg. Rest of sale is here: http://us.ncix.com/promo/?webid=superseptember2011 | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Meh, you rather psychically covered what we were discussing anyways. By the way, I've dealt with hot temps before, but no air conditioning with those temps seems a little painful. Are window units not available there, or do they just freeze up on you? | ||
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Womwomwom
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On September 17 2011 12:59 Womwomwom wrote: You get used to the heat when you have to live in those conditions every single summer. Its all dry heat down in Victoria so its actually fairly nice if you don't get dehydrated. I've gotten used to all kinds of fun climates that wanted to kill me before I got out of the Army. Getting used to it and liking it never had much to do with each other. To each his own, I guess. Certainly better hot than freezing cold though. Except where PCs come into it. | ||
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tarpman
Canada723 Posts
OS: already have Windows 7 Professional (via MSDNAA) Hard drive: already have a WD Caviar Black WDC1001FALS Power supply: already have a Nexus RX-8500 Optical drive: already have an LG GSA-H30N Monitor: already have an HP w2207 Case: Motherboard: Gigabyte H67M-D2-B3 $87 CPU: Intel Core i5 2500 RAM: GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti $230 Mouse: Logitech MX518 $50 Keyboard: Logitech K129 $15 | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If we ignore the $20 gift card you get, that case is awfully expensive for what it provides. It looks nice but if the build quality is anything like the Fractal Design R3, it won't have any of the bitumen material to hide the thin steel. | ||
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tarpman
Canada723 Posts
On September 17 2011 14:17 Womwomwom wrote: What's wrong with this memory kit? 1600 vs 1333... I have no idea whether that would actually make a difference, I just noticed that it's a bigger number and only a few dollars more. :p If we ignore the $20 gift card you get, that case is awfully expensive for what it provides. Fair enough. I don't know anything about cases and skyR recommended that one (probably for the gift card). What would you suggest? | ||
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Womwomwom
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tarpman
Canada723 Posts
On September 17 2011 14:21 Womwomwom wrote: Depends on how much you want to spend, what you want to get out of your chassis, and what you like your case looking like. I think its worth paying $10-20 extra to get the any of the cases in Fractal Design's Define series if you like that simple aesthetic. Would the parts I want fit in a Define Mini? It sounds like it would be a little quieter than the Arc. | ||
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tarpman
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skyR
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Higher frequency and tighter timings provides negligible improvements for the Sandybridge platform, at least in gaming anyways: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3 http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 | ||
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