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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 15 2011 02:35 Bambipwnsu wrote: is it just me or is that first link a 4830 and not a 5830 Yeah sorry fixed. I knew it was a 4830 when I linked it, so I wasn't too surprised by the $65 price. Then when I compared it mentally to the 6750 in terms of performance, I thought it was a 5830 lol. Anyhow, yeah, the 6750 is better. | ||
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twoxmachine
United States50 Posts
Build: + Show Spoiler + (CPU) AMD Athlon II X4 - $89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103881 (MoBo) ASUS M4A88TD-M - $94.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131654 (CPU) Sapphire Tech 100338L - $127.99, $107.99 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102941 (Case) Cooler Master RC-430-KWN1 - $49.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227 (PSU) Corsair CX430 V2 - $44.99, $24.99 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 (DVD) LG ELECTRONICS GH22NS50 Bulk - $18.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216 (Mem) G.SKILL F3-10666CL9D-4GBNS - $31.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396 (HD) Western Digital WD5000AAKX - $39.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 What do you guys think? Thanks to everyone who's helped me so far, and everyone who's up to helping me now  | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Actually, I wouldn't recommend an Athlon II X4 anyway. For SC2, you're better off with a socket 1155 Pentium. However, with that budget, I'd just get a Core i3-2100 and cheaper motherboard instead. There's not much sense paying for motherboard overclocking ability and features you won't use. A better graphics card deal now is a GTS 450 for $100, $70 AMIR. It's just a little bit worse than a HD 6770 (which is same as a 5770). Core i3-2100 and Biostar H61MH - $175 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.675362 Zotac GTS 450 - $100, $70 AMIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500187 Or if you prefer, there's a HD 5830 for $130. | ||
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
About 800€, but that's not a strict budget, so if necessary I can spend more and if it's possible to get everything I need for less that would obviously be great What is your resolution? 1680*1050 What are you using it for? Primary use would be playing sc2 and streaming in high quality without any dips in performance. I want to be able to play the campaign on highest settings when HotS comes out. Possibly also some video encoding and editing. I also plan on playing Diablo 3 and Risen 2 on high settings when they're released, but hardware requirements for playing those at are of course just speculation at this point. I often use my computer for studying, so low noise levels would be a big advantage. What is your upgrade cycle? 2-3 years When do you plan on building it? I plan to order in about a week from now. Do you plan on overclocking? Do you need an Operating System? Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No to all three. Where are you buying your parts from? If possible I'd like to buy everything from hardwareversand.de. Here is the system I'm currently considering: Motherboard: ASRock H61M-VS CPU: Intel Core i5-2500 Case: Cooler Master Elite RC-331 PSU: Super-Flower SF650P14P 650W GPU: Sapphire HD 6850 1GB RAM: 8GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1000GB SSD: Intel SSD 320 Series 120GB Blu-ray burner: LG BH10LS30 Blu-Ray Brenner bulk Together with a 20€ fee for assembling the PC and 3.99€ for shipping, the total price would be 787.65 €. Please let me know if it is consistent with the requirements specified above and if there are any incompatibilities, inefficiencies or other problems. Also let me know how well this build does in terms of noise. I know that the Sapphire HD 6850 is very quiet, but what about the other components? Your help is greatly appreciated | ||
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
If you want to make your system more quiet you should allso consider buying an aftermarket cpu cooler and buying a PSU thats extra quiet. Ps. There are allso GPU version that are extra quiet. | ||
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 15 2011 06:43 djcube wrote: How thorough are the Anandtech bench tests for SC2? Are the FPS listings averages of all game types (1v1, 2v2, etc) throughout all portions of the game (beginning and end game max armies)? Well, as I'm not on the staff, I can't answer that question. Perhaps you should check their site and see what information is available about testing methodology? That's the sort of thing it's hard to top of the head if you didn't do it yourself. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Not to mention a much more solid case. Thin cases with a lot of mesh are poor for keeping things quiet. I think Madoga is overestimating the power requirements though since a stock i5-2500 uses little power, like 65W full load or so. Everything but the GPU isn't going to take over 100W probably, or maybe just a bit over. A HD 6950 wouldn't use over 200W unless you change the power cap, so sticking with 450W makes sense to me. Or just use a HD 6850 if you don't need newer games to run on the highest settings. Granted, most PSUs are quieter at lower loads, but some models are just a lot quieter than others. Anyway, I'm not that familiar with Super Flower's lowest-end offerings, but I think you should just get something of higher quality anyway. The Amazon 450W (42,85 €) is okay: http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30074&agid=1627 Something known to be quiet and of very high quality is the Golden Green Pro 450W (62,49 €): http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41092&agid=1627 You already have a 120GB SSD, so random access times on the HDD probably aren't that important. Therefore, I'd just get a Samsung EcoGreen F2 1TB (42,85 €, two platter) instead: http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=25576&agid=1284 They're supposed to be quieter than the EcoGreen F3 versions and definitely compared to 7200 rpm drives. I dunno about the F4. By the way, the motherboard only comes with two SATA cables, and you're getting three OEM SATA drives without cables, so you'd need to get an extra SATA cable. Keep in mind that cases last a long time, so getting a better one may be a worthwhile investment. A Fractal Design R3 (89,75 €) would definitely be good for noise, but that price is pretty high. A compromise would be the Antec Sonata III (106,07 €) that comes with a 500W Earthwatts PSU--not sure which model though, but all are decent. http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=20448&agid=625&apop=1 | ||
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djcube
United States985 Posts
On July 15 2011 06:55 JingleHell wrote: Well, as I'm not on the staff, I can't answer that question. Perhaps you should check their site and see what information is available about testing methodology? That's the sort of thing it's hard to top of the head if you didn't do it yourself. I did try checking their site earlier before I posted, but it was down. Just thought someone here would know. I don't really know what to make of those benchmarks other than how the CPUs relate to each other, but not how they perform individually if I don't know what conditions they were testing. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129 | ||
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Madoga
Netherlands471 Posts
On July 15 2011 07:06 Myrmidon wrote: @Drunken.Jedi: Not to mention a much more solid case. Thin cases with a lot of mesh are poor for keeping things quiet. I think Madoga is overestimating the power requirements though since a stock i5-2500 uses little power, like 65W full load or so. Everything but the GPU isn't going to take over 100W probably, or maybe just a bit over. A HD 6950 wouldn't use over 200W unless you change the power cap, so sticking with 450W makes sense to me. Or just use a HD 6850 if you don't need newer games to run on the highest settings. Granted, most PSUs are quieter at lower loads, but some models are just a lot quieter than others. Anyway, I'm not that familiar with Super Flower's lowest-end offerings, but I think you should just get something of higher quality anyway. The Amazon 450W (42,85 €) is okay: http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=30074&agid=1627 Something known to be quiet and of very high quality is the Golden Green Pro 450W (62,49 €): http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41092&agid=1627 You already have a 120GB SSD, so random access times on the HDD probably aren't that important. Therefore, I'd just get a Samsung EcoGreen F2 1TB (42,85 €, two platter) instead: http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=25576&agid=1284 They're supposed to be quieter than the EcoGreen F3 versions and definitely compared to 7200 rpm drives. I dunno about the F4. By the way, the motherboard only comes with two SATA cables, and you're getting three OEM SATA drives without cables, so you'd need to get an extra SATA cable. Keep in mind that cases last a long time, so getting a better one may be a worthwhile investment. A Fractal Design R3 (89,75 €) would definitely be good for noise, but that price is pretty high. A compromise would be the Antec Sonata III (106,07 €) that comes with a 500W Earthwatts PSU--not sure which model though, but all are decent. http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=20448&agid=625&apop=1 You're right, I was used to recommending the Arctic Fusion 550R, which was dirt cheap here last month. | ||
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
I'm building a PC for the first time very soon and I've came up with the parts I would like to use. However, since it is my first time I want to make sure that I don't mess up with my selections, so here I come the the Computer Build Resource Thread :3. Here is the system I have put together: Motherboard: Asrock P67 Extreme 4 CPU: Intel Core i5 2500 RAM: 2 x Kingston DDR3 1333MHz GPU: XFX AMD Radeon HD6850 PSU: Cooler Master GX-650 Case: Cooler Master Elite 335 The DVD Drive I already have and I haven't decided on HDD yet. I'll mainly be using this computer for general use, SC2, and possibly future CoD or other FPS titles. Please let me know if any of the parts I have chosen above are "overkill" (More watts on the PSU then I need etc.) and I would also want somebody to recommend me a good and reliable HDD (7200R, 500GB+) for a reasonable price. Thanks! :D | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The Coolermaster GX650 isn't really that good and 650w is unnecessary for this sort of configuration. Are you going to be overclocking or not? You selected a P67 motherboard which is for overclocking but you selected a core i5 2500 with no suffix which has a limited multiplier allowing only a 400MHz overclock. If you're going to overclock, you need a core i5 2500k, the K suffix signifies an unlocked multiplier which is used for overclocking. If you're not overclocking, you can get an H61 or H67 motherboard instead. | ||
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
Btw I most probably be buying from jumbo-computer.comjumbo-computer.com (unless I can find better prices in local stores), the Hong Kong based website found in the OP. I probably won't be OC'ing much so I'll change my choice of motherboard. Concerning the PSU however what amount of wattage will I need and can anyone suggest a good 80+ bronze PSU? Thanks | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Antec Earthwatts Green - 80+ bronze, decent Seasonic S12II Bronze - 80+ bronze, good overall (better) XFX Core Edition - rebrand of Seasonic S12II Bronze Antec High Current Gamer - same Super Flower Amazon - 80+ bronze, decent FSP Aurum - 80+ gold and decent otherwise but nothing special Super Flower Golden Green - 80+ gold and very good Seasonic X Series - 80+ gold and even better | ||
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
EDIT: After looking at Myrmidon's post I'll probably take a look at the other PSU's you've suggested.E Edit again: How will the Corsair CX500 compare to Myrmidon's choices? Its still 80+ Bronze and cheaper, and the site I am buying from don't sell Super Flower and Seasonic products so I'll be buying either Antec or Corsair anyways. How much better are modular PSU's compared to Non-Modular ones? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Corsair CX500 is not 80 plus, but close. Corsair CX500 V2 is 80 plus (not bronze) but honestly pretty close to 80 plus bronze levels. Both are okay, with the V2 being a little better. Long-term reliability is lower than anything I listed, most likely, but performance is pretty good, better than the Earthwatts Green and FSP Aurum and SuperFlower Amazon. Modular cabling can make things neater if you're not using those cables, but you can tie down unused cables anyway so I wouldn't think it's a big deal unless you have a side panel window and really care about aesthetics. After looking at motherboard ports, if you're doing high-end overclocking you look at the voltage regulation models and read and kind of guess how good they are. Aside from that, not much to look at. Try to get a model that doesn't seem to have a lot of problems. CM Elite 335 is kind of a lower-end budget case but shouldn't be bad unless you want exceptional cooling or low noise. I haven't used it. You want a 3.5" HDD since they are much cheaper for the capacity and higher performance. Also, most cases support 3.5" HDDs and may not support 2.5" HDDs or at least not multiple of them. The advantages of 2.5" HDDs is being smaller, using less power, and generally being quieter. | ||
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