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Looking at what you guys said I'll look into a new Mobo, new case and possibly a new PSU. Now I also know what HDD to choose :D
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
Looking at what you guys said I'll look into a new Mobo, new case and possibly a new PSU. Now I also know what HDD to choose :D | ||
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 (B3) CPU: Intel Core i5-2500 Case with PSU: Antec Sonata III, ATX, 500 Watt GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB, 1024MB RAM: 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U HDD: Samsung HD103SI 1TB SATA II EcoGreen, 32MB SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SSD DVD burner: Sony NEC Optiarc AD-7260S, SATA Total price would now be 829.22€. As per your recommendations, I got a stronger GPU and better case/PSU and exchanged the HDD with the one Myrmidon suggested. Is the 560ti a good choice or is it overkill for 1680*1050? I'm considering switching the Intel SSD 320 Series 120GB for the Crucial M4 128GB which is pretty much the same price, but faster. Since the Crucial SSD uses SATA-600, I've upgraded to a motherboard which supports that. However, I'm not very knowledgeable about motherboards and SSDs, so I don't know if that is a good change or not. Does the new mainboard solve the problem with the missing SATA cable that Myrmidon mentioned? I've also removed the Blu-ray drive in favour of a simple DVD burner since I don't really need Blu-ray right now and if I do I can still get one later. So, what do you think? Is an aftermarket cpu cooler worth the extra cost for a regular non-OCed i5-2500? If so, which ones can you recommend? | ||
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Snausages
United States529 Posts
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
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twos
Canada8 Posts
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firexfred
United States78 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:13 Drunken.Jedi wrote: So, what do you think? Is an aftermarket cpu cooler worth the extra cost for a regular non-OCed i5-2500? If so, which ones can you recommend? You'll be fine with the stock cooler. You might want to consider saving about 14€ by going with the i5-2400 rather than the i5 2500 http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41226&agid=1617 You can see them compared here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=288 If you think the minor increase is worth the 14€, then go for it! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:52 twos wrote: Hi Myrmidon I was wondering if you possibly figured out a build for me yet? Oh whoops you disappeared for a while. Here you go. This was on the $300-400 budget, reusing a case and old 300W FSP PSU. I still recommend getting a new power supply, but like I said, if the current one is still operational and can do what it says it can, you'll have a small buffer remaining. Intel Core i3-2100 - $115 MSI H61M-P21 - $60, $50 AMIR Visiontek HD 6750 - $75 Mushkin 2 x 2GB 1333MHz DDR3 RAM - $31, $26 AMIR Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40 with price match LG CD / DVD-RW - $20 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 16 2011 00:13 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Thank you for your quick responses. Based on your recommendations and some further research, I've put together a new configuration: + Show Spoiler [build] + Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 (B3) CPU: Intel Core i5-2500 Case with PSU: Antec Sonata III, ATX, 500 Watt GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB, 1024MB RAM: 8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U HDD: Samsung HD103SI 1TB SATA II EcoGreen, 32MB SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SSD DVD burner: Sony NEC Optiarc AD-7260S, SATA Total price would now be 829.22€. As per your recommendations, I got a stronger GPU and better case/PSU and exchanged the HDD with the one Myrmidon suggested. Is the 560ti a good choice or is it overkill for 1680*1050? I'm considering switching the Intel SSD 320 Series 120GB for the Crucial M4 128GB which is pretty much the same price, but faster. Since the Crucial SSD uses SATA-600, I've upgraded to a motherboard which supports that. However, I'm not very knowledgeable about motherboards and SSDs, so I don't know if that is a good change or not. Does the new mainboard solve the problem with the missing SATA cable that Myrmidon mentioned? I've also removed the Blu-ray drive in favour of a simple DVD burner since I don't really need Blu-ray right now and if I do I can still get one later. So, what do you think? Is an aftermarket cpu cooler worth the extra cost for a regular non-OCed i5-2500? If so, which ones can you recommend? Crucial M4 is faster than the Intel 320. Typo, or did I read wrong? SATA3 will help the SSD somewhat, but probably doesn't make enough of a difference to be noticeable to a general user. However, if you're concerned about performance and want something with SATA3 support, I'd recommend a H67 motherboard instead, since the H67/P67/Z68 chipsets and newer AMD ones support SATA3 natively but H61 does not. There's a measurable difference in speeds using the native SATA3 port provided by the chipset as opposed to a 3rd party controller chip on the motherboard. This motherboard gets you USB3 support too. MSI H67MA-E35 - 71,87 € I think that a GTX 560 Ti can make sense, but may be a little overkill. I'd take a HD 6870 instead, since it's somewhat cheaper yet you still get good performance. This XFX model should be very quiet as well--the reference design is quite noisy, but not this one. It looks like the same cooler as on the Black Edition model. XFX HD 6870 - 146,36 € http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=290 You only get 2 SATA cables with the cheaper motherboards like that. Fortunately, they're nothing special at all, so they're really cheap. LogiLink SATA cable - 0,58 € | ||
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
Asus M4A78 PRO 4gb ddr2 400Mhz amd phenom ii x4 945 OC to 3.4Ghz Mugen rev 2 cooler A 500W PSU nothing special Evga gtx 460 768mb oc to 830/3980 500gb 7200rpm hdd windows 7 64-bit Im soon going to get Asus gtx 460 1gb model thats factory OC to 775/4000 and corsair 550W from my sister whos upgrading her comp and was thinking if I should grab the core i5 2500k with a mobo that supports SLI so I could get better upgraedability for the future. Also thinking of using the Mugen and OC the CPU if I get1. Id get some 2x2gb ddr3 1600Mhz As mobo Asus P8P67-M PRO Rev 3.0(Not sure if this is the best bang for the buck but had 2 x16 for graphics cards) And ofc Core i5 2500k So I got around ~350 euros to use and those parts I showed before are ~357euros. Im not sure should I upgrade to the core i5 2500k or wait for Ivy Bridge. Or maybe upgrade something else? Mostly used to play games no photoshopping or videoediting in the near future for me  Oh and playing on a 21.5" 1980x1080! | ||
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:09 firexfred wrote: You'll be fine with the stock cooler. You might want to consider saving about 14€ by going with the i5-2400 rather than the i5 2500 http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41226&agid=1617 You can see them compared here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=288 If you think the minor increase is worth the 14€, then go for it! Thanks for the advice. I'll stay with the stock cooler. Since sc2 and streaming are both quite cpu heavy, I'll stick with the 2500. The differences in the benchmarks aren't a lot, but neither is a 14€ price difference. On July 16 2011 02:19 Snausages wrote: @Jedi, I have that exact GPU, and it's not overkill for 1680x1050, it's absolutely fine On July 16 2011 06:44 Myrmidon wrote: I think that a GTX 560 Ti can make sense, but may be a little overkill. I'd take a HD 6870 instead, since it's somewhat cheaper yet you still get good performance. This XFX model should be very quiet as well--the reference design is quite noisy, but not this one. It looks like the same cooler as on the Black Edition model. XFX HD 6870 - 146,36 € http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=290 Thanks for your advice. I'll have to think about which GPU I'll choose. On July 16 2011 06:44 Myrmidon wrote: Crucial M4 is faster than the Intel 320. Typo, or did I read wrong? SATA3 will help the SSD somewhat, but probably doesn't make enough of a difference to be noticeable to a general user. However, if you're concerned about performance and want something with SATA3 support, I'd recommend a H67 motherboard instead, since the H67/P67/Z68 chipsets and newer AMD ones support SATA3 natively but H61 does not. There's a measurable difference in speeds using the native SATA3 port provided by the chipset as opposed to a 3rd party controller chip on the motherboard. This motherboard gets you USB3 support too. MSI H67MA-E35 - 71,87 € Yes, the Crucial M4 is faster than the Intel 320, that's what I meant. So your advice is to either stick with the cheap ASRock H61M-VS motherboard or pay 27€ extra for the H67 with better SSD performance and USB 3.0, right? How big is the difference in performance and are there any other advantages to getting the more expensive motherboard? | ||
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:25 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Yes, the Crucial M4 is faster than the Intel 320, that's what I meant. So your advice is to either stick with the cheap ASRock H61M-VS motherboard or pay 27€ extra for the H67 with better SSD performance and USB 3.0, right? How big is the difference in performance and are there any other advantages to getting the more expensive motherboard? Yeah those are the options to consider, in my opinion. Other advantages are the extra PCI slot, maybe slightly better components used all around, 6 SATA ports as opposed to 4 (imagine you have an SSD, a HDD, a DVD writer, and a Blu Ray reader, and you want to add an extra storage HDD), more audio output ports, and 3 year warranty compared to 1 year. (Note that you can always use external devices through USB2 or add an internal controller card with more ports.) The performance difference should be small unless you're benching sequential reads though, honestly. Look in the below link for some benchmarks. Most of the SSDs with a SATA3 interface are benchmarked twice, once over a SATA3 interface and will be marked "(6Gbps)" and then again over a SATA2 interface. Crucial M4 64GB isn't in the list. Keep in mind that lower-capacity versions are slower, generally particularly in writes, compared to higher-capacity models, so the M4 256GB results aren't exactly indicative of the 64GB's performance. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/260 | ||
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spaZzNx-`
Hong Kong1221 Posts
On July 16 2011 08:00 Myrmidon wrote: Yeah those are the options to consider, in my opinion. Other advantages are the extra PCI slot, maybe slightly better components used all around, 6 SATA ports as opposed to 4 (imagine you have an SSD, a HDD, a DVD writer, and a Blu Ray reader, and you want to add an extra storage HDD), more audio output ports, and 3 year warranty compared to 1 year. (Note that you can always use external devices through USB2 or add an internal controller card with more ports.) The performance difference should be small unless you're benching sequential reads though, honestly. Look in the below link for some benchmarks. Most of the SSDs with a SATA3 interface are benchmarked twice, once over a SATA3 interface and will be marked "(6Gbps)" and then again over a SATA2 interface. Crucial M4 64GB isn't in the list. Keep in mind that lower-capacity versions are slower, generally particularly in writes, compared to higher-capacity models, so the M4 256GB results aren't exactly indicative of the 64GB's performance. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/260 This might sound like a terrible question, but with USB 3.0 can you use USB 2.0 products with it? (for example my mouse, keyboard). | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:36 spaZzNx-` wrote: This might sound like a terrible question, but with USB 3.0 can you use USB 2.0 products with it? (for example my mouse, keyboard). Yep, in fact, unless you happen to have one of the very very few things that uses USB 3.0, like a super fast thumb drive, that's about all it's good for so far. And no, it won't make your mouse work better. I'm sure it will be handy to have at some point, but currently USB 3 is pretty limited in scope. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:35 djcube wrote: Are Phenom II CPUs expected to lower in price when Bull Dozer goes public? I have an AM3 mobo and I want to be able to stream SC2 games without any lag. I know even the 1100T gets trounced by the SNB i5s, but I don't think I need all that power if an 1100T will allow me to stream without any lag. I'd prefer not to have to buy a new mobo and possibly a new OS (I only have the OEM version of W7). Also, is the 1100T the best CPU for streaming SC2 on the AM3 socket? i play at 1920*1080 streaming at 1280*720 without any problem with a 1090t and hd6870 (ultra graphics ofc) | ||
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Zepish
Canada160 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
For memory, get this GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz kit instead for $57: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57950&promoid=1337 Get this EVGA GTX 560 Ti instead: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58347&promoid=1337 , pricematch it to $235 using http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/232920/eVGA/01G_P3_1561_AR/ Pricematch the XFX Core Edition 450w to $47 using http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC2804 Pricematch the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ to $22 using http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC8843 Get this DVD Burner instead for $16: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45667&promoid=1337 Get the Intel 320 120GB for $210 instead: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60232&promoid=1337 Pricematch the Coolermaster HAF 912 to $49 using http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/COOLERMASTER/RC_912_KKN1/ | ||
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CuraOh
Chile81 Posts
i hav win 7 the case and the burner i will buy in amazon and if you do any change to help me for better component with lower price or the same price or some incompatibility let me know i am not planing do overclocking but if you recomend me doit for a short price i will Intel Core i5-2400 $193.00 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EBUXIA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Asus ASUS P8H67-M $88.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VGI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Corsair Vengeance Blu 8 GB PC3-12800 $74.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QBUL1C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Corsair Builder Series CX V2 430-Watt $44.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W2T2TM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER Asus ATI Radeon CuCore HD5770 $109.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033KBT68/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER i dont know if go for a Western Digital 2 TB Caviar Green SATA II Intellipower 64 MB http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Intellipower-Desktop/dp/B002ZCXK0I/ref=pd_cp_e_1 or Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CCS266/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER total $591.95 | ||
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twos
Canada8 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:32 Myrmidon wrote: Oh whoops you disappeared for a while. Here you go. This was on the $300-400 budget, reusing a case and old 300W FSP PSU. I still recommend getting a new power supply, but like I said, if the current one is still operational and can do what it says it can, you'll have a small buffer remaining. Intel Core i3-2100 - $115 MSI H61M-P21 - $60, $50 AMIR Visiontek HD 6750 - $75 Mushkin 2 x 2GB 1333MHz DDR3 RAM - $31, $26 AMIR Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $40 with price match LG CD / DVD-RW - $20 Thanks a lot :D! Gonna go get them soon! | ||
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