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Yup the biggest gains come first from the 2 cores, the 3rd and 4th core does add some fps but not nearly as much.
So generally higher clocked less cores will run sc2 better then low clock more cores.
Ex a tri core that runs at 2.6ghz vs a dual core that runs at 3.3ghz the dual core would win. Also Frag in terms of arch Phenom II isn't that bad esp if you're just talking about games, in games alone amd is competitive, which imo is sad.
The news Intel HD X4500 or w.e is a large leap ahead in running 3d games but it's still centurys behind most igp's coming from nvidia or amd. And sad when you compare it to a dedicated card.
Geforce 310M all the way.
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The K10 arch is widely known to be inferior to the Nehalem arch -_-
Nehalem accomplishes more per clock, and AMD relies on adding extra cores to even out the difference. If a Nehalem dual-core has a higher clock speed than an AMD tri-core, and a game will only use 2 cores optimally, the Nehalem core will generally win.
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Phenom-II-X3-P820-Notebook-Processor.31527.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-330M-Notebook-Processor.23753.0.html
hot dam searching up things
Things i like about the I3, higher clock rate and L3 cache both things games like also uses a 35w TDP vs the Phenoms 25w TDP, along with being 32mn vs 45mn. Meaning more Watts per each core for the I3, (assuming you can disable the IGP in it)
Frankly i like everything about the I3 more then i like the Phenom besides lacking 1 extra core.
And yes Overall the K10.5 vs Nehm clearly intel wins overall
But when you factor in price per performance for all of their products, and only target games. Generally AMD is competitive at least due to price in that specific area. Which is why although i don't care for AMD currently when i talk strictly about gaming i find it alright for someone to buy amd who won't be doing anything like trans coding, folding, photo shopping etc
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I would just like to add that www.fractal-design.com makes stylish psu's and cases. I just bought the define r2 silver arrow case together with their 650w psu. Super quiet and cool looking. They are also awesome cause theyre swedish 
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Yeah Fractal Design is quite well known even in the States for their cases. The R2 looks like it's designed after the Antec Performance One series (P183, P193) and those are very stylish cases. It's a pity that they don't cool very well at stock and aren't sold in the US 
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what a great thread. thx mahnini and you
wish i read this about the GTX 460 before i bought the radeon 5830
30 bucks difference, but im sure i could have found deals for the 460 that was less than 230. plus i had to pay sales tax of 16 dollars for the 5830...
A thread by mahnini and I to inform you about computers!
in case you care at all:
the correct word is "me" rather than "I" in this case. don't believe? omit "mahnini" and see:
"a thread by I to inform you about computers"
"a thread by ME to inform you about computers"
but who needs to know technical english when technical computer building is so much more cooler and useful
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What is so great about these Japanese thermal compounds?
I'm surprised that Fractal Design don't sell to America :/
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On July 23 2010 22:51 haduken wrote:
What is so great about these Japanese thermal compounds?
I'm surprised that Fractal Design don't sell to America :/
We had a batch in Canada, the case seemed to be good for the price but as it turns out, the front USB ports weren't wired properly and didn't work.
It's a pretty bad first step.
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On July 22 2010 18:18 johanngrunt wrote:
Also, does the RAM timing make any difference?
say between a 1333 Mhz c7 or a 1600 Mhz c9?
And any good recommendations on a budget monitor 23-24 inches for about 200 USD or less?
preferably 16:10 =)
You've been very helpful!!!
Thanks!
Yes, it does. The timings represent the delay in clock cycles, while the MHz is more the bandwidth.
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I'm thinking about selling my old PC and building a new one. Currently running a duel core AMD Anthon with 4 GB DDR3 ram and a HD 4850. My main problem is noise and overheating. I was a newb and bought a bad case which doesn't help the 4850's over heating issues. Damn video card goes up to 105c when gaming even with the fan speed up to 70%.
Can anyone suggest me a good build for around $1000 from newegg.ca? Mainly looking for the best bang for my buck and a quiet low heat build.
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On July 23 2010 16:20 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:22 DTK-m2 wrote:Hey guys, so I'm about to buy a laptop, and I just wanna quickly get your opinion before I make a final decision. I'm currently consider the following three: $599.99: http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/L640/L645D-S4037$719.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=483708$759.00: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cdetland.to?poid=484036For the customizable ones, they would have i3 processors, 4 GB of RAM, and 320 GB HDDs. For the one where I have an option of Intel HD vs NVIDIA GeForce 310M, I think I'd go with the Intel HD (it's $100 cheaper). Right now, I'm actually leaning heavily toward the L645. I found it on Amazon for 599.99, free shipping because I have Amazon Prime, and I think I can get $50 off of that cost with this promotion they're currently having for Prime. It's processor is a 1.8 GHz AMD Phenom II, triple-core, so that's better than the i3-350M, which is dual-core, right? The i3 is a 2.26 GHz processor, but the AMD is better right? And the graphics card on the L645 is the ATI Radeon HD 4250. I don't know GPUs that well, though. Is this one good? How does it compare to the Intel HD and the NVIDIA GeForce 310M? Actually, the Phenom II Triple Core will probably be weaker than the Intel i3 at SC2! SC2 currently does not utilize extra cores very well, and the higher clock speed + inherent architecture advantage that the i3 holds will pull it through. The 4250 trades blows with the new IGP that is onboard with the i3, and the GeForce 310M should be better than both of them. The HD 4250 will probably out perform the i3 integrated if drivers come into play, but the Nvidia 310M will win out over both of them.
Do you think I could play SC2 using either the 4250, 4200, or the Integrated Intel HD GPU? I just found this laptop, which has a 4200:
http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/M500/M505D-S4000
It uses the AMD Turion II dual core (2.3 GHz), so that's better than the Phenom II, I presume? How does it compare to the i3-350M? Since they're both dual cores, can I just directly compare the two clock rates? I think the i3 has a larger cache, though...
Also, from reading this thread, the previous computer build thread, and links posted in them, I feel like I've expanded my computer knowledge x1000. 
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Turion II is the mobile version of the Athlon II so it is not better than the Phenom II. And no you can not directly compare Intel and AMD based on clock speed because the two uses different architecture. Intel clockspeeds have always been lower than AMD clockspeeds but at the same time can match the performance of a higher clocked AMD chip.
I'd imagine that you could run it on low at a low resolution with those integrated GPUs. I would look for a laptop with a Geforce 9600GT, Radeon 4600 or better.
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On July 24 2010 01:22 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 18:18 johanngrunt wrote:
Also, does the RAM timing make any difference?
say between a 1333 Mhz c7 or a 1600 Mhz c9?
And any good recommendations on a budget monitor 23-24 inches for about 200 USD or less?
preferably 16:10 =)
You've been very helpful!!!
Thanks! Yes, it does. The timings represent the delay in clock cycles, while the MHz is more the bandwidth. + Show Spoiler +
So basically a 1333 c7 will slightly outperform a 1600 c9?
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Thank you sir!
Edit: Am I blind or did you forget to include a HD? And does that mobo include a wireless card? Also I don't need an OS...sorry should have mentioned that before.
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What I need. Everyday computer with some juice to do some modern gaming.
Budget: $1000 range
Overclocking: Not likely unless it influences the value of a CPU(e.g. cheaper cpu which easily overclocks to performance of more expensive one).
I convert video files occasionally. No real art work.
Upgrade Cycle: Roughly 2yrs for whole new computer but would love one I could slowly upgrade over time.
No SLI/Crossfire
1680x1050
I have a strong 650w PSU to use with machine.
Plan on building sometime soon.
No OS needed.
Feel free to ask some questions if I missed anything and big thanks for replies!
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just convert the above build to the US version of newegg and you're basically done
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On July 24 2010 02:59 DoubleZee wrote:
Thank you sir!
Edit: Am I blind or did you forget to include a HD? And does that mobo include a wireless card? Also I don't need an OS...sorry should have mentioned that before.
Just swap out the 110$ for the OS and put in a WD Caviar Black 1TB, its ~ the same price if not cheaper.
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