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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 21:55:19
June 20 2011 21:52 GMT
#7121
SATA cables are provided by the motherboard. You don't need to buy them.

And why are you buying a retail DVD Drive? The only difference between OEM and Retail is that Retail comes in a shiny box.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 20 2011 21:59 GMT
#7122
On June 21 2011 06:52 skyR wrote:
SATA cables are provided by the motherboard. You don't need to buy them.

And why are you buying a retail DVD Drive? The only difference between OEM and Retail is that Retail comes in a shiny box.


Hey, there's a lot to be said for shiny boxes. They're great for distracting toddlers while assembling the PC.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 20 2011 22:22 GMT
#7123
Got a couple BSOD's just now playing TF2... It told me it was Memory Management. I didn't really look at anything else but I'm sure I could fish up another screen.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2011 22:25 GMT
#7124
Reseat your memory and run www.memtest.org
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:48:21
June 20 2011 22:33 GMT
#7125
So I am a huge hardware newb, but I have friends in town who can put a computer together for me if I order the parts. I was told that http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220051 was a good product to base my parts by, and would like to know what kind of setup I can get and how it would compare to a pre-built computer such as that one.

What is your budget?
$750

What is your resolution?
1280x720

What are you using it for?
Gaming, Streaming, Recording Video (for example to record a commentary video and upload to youtube). I play on lowest settings fwiw.

What is your upgrade cycle?
2 years

When do you plan on building it?
ASAP

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg
www.infinityseven.net
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 22:50:26
June 20 2011 22:48 GMT
#7126
@PJA

Here's a configuration for $709 capable of everything you are asking for:

Core i5 2400 @ $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

ASUS CuCore Radeon HD5770 @ $110 ($90 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363

Asrock H61M U3S3 @ $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

GSkill 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

Corsair CX430 V2 @ $45 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Thermaltake V3 @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133094

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136767

DVD Burner @ $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136216



The Core i5 2400 is Intel's Second Generation Core processors which were released six months ago and is overall better than the core i7 920 found in the prebuilt you linked. You can see the performance difference between the two processors in question and various others in these two articles:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300.html

The prebuilt you linked is also a refurbished unit which only comes with a 90 day warranty whereas all these parts are brand new and carry a one, three, five, or lifetime warranty depending on the component.

The GTX 260 in the prebuilt is stronger than the 5770 but only slightly and at the same time not having DirectX11 (doesn't really matter) and consuming more power / producing more heat. Both cards are capable of playing ultra smoothly at your resolution. If you are only interested in playing on low, you could save money and downgrade the graphics card to something such as a Radeon HD5670 or 5570.

If you're a university student or have friends in university, you could get Windows 7 at a discounted price or for free through a promotional offer, from MSDNAA, or directly from your university.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 23:12:06
June 20 2011 22:56 GMT
#7127
And before you ask, yes, skyR is right about the PSU, check here by plugging in the build if you want to be sure. The GPU manufacturers put those numbers on the box to account for weird configurations and bad PSUs.

Hmmm, I think I'm getting a bit jaded, I just did this preemptively....

There should be a sticky saying this...
TheAppetizer
Profile Joined February 2011
United States146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 23:14:04
June 20 2011 23:10 GMT
#7128
Wow, thats embarrassing..... Im getting an i5 2500k
SkyR, is there a dvd drive that you would reccommend thats cheap?

EDIT: response to SkyR
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2011 23:20 GMT
#7129
Just get the least expensive SATA burner available. Amazon navigation is terrible >< Here's one for $20: http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-GH22NS50-Super-Internal/dp/B002C9K3UO/
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 20 2011 23:23 GMT
#7130
On June 21 2011 07:25 skyR wrote:
Reseat your memory and run www.memtest.org

The issue seems isolated to TF2. I've been playing SC2 for a while and no problem so far. Running memtest now will update with results.
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
June 20 2011 23:45 GMT
#7131
I've probably asked this before, but I'm looking for a case from a UK site that's ~£75 and has good airflow and looks pretty nice. Don't want a huuuuge case.
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2011 23:51 GMT
#7132
Coolermaster HAF 912
Coolermaster 690ii Basic
Lian Li PC-K58
Antec One Hundred
Thermaltake V5

All those cases should be around £75 and have good airflow. Looks is subjective.
Tengo_Hambre
Profile Joined December 2007
United States51 Posts
June 21 2011 00:58 GMT
#7133
hi all, i'm looking at putting together a new desktop build for gaming and streaming.
Budget-$1300
i'll be using a resolution of 1920x1080
i hope to get at least a 3 year life span out of it
planning on building it in 2 weeks, buying parts from newegg (though i may compare prices with other retailers).
Planning on overclocking in the future, but not right away.
also noteworthy, i'm planning on running 4 hard drives-i want to test out different O.S. (os-x, windows, ubuntu, one for backup) i know partitioning is an option, but since all hd's seem to be prone to some failure rate, i feel running multiples is safer. are there any big complications that could arise from this that i should know about?

mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 (i need the extra 6gb/s sata ports for the multiple hdd's. i want a z68 chipset board because of the bug in the other 6 series chipsets.)

GPU: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB (i feel like the gtx 560 is about right for my budget, but i have no idea what make/model to go for. this particular choice was somewhat arbitrary)

Case: cooler master HAF 922

PSU: APEX AL-D500EXP 500W ATX12V Power Supply (is this enough? the gpu supposedly needs a 450W psu, and the processor runs at like 93 watts or so...should i go with something closer to 600 watts?)

CPU: Intel core i5 2500k sandy bridge

Memory: g-skill ripjaws 8gb

HDD's (x4): Seagate SV35 Series 500 gb, 7200 rpm (SSD's are cool, but boot speed isn't a real big deal to me, and they're a bit too expensive for the space you get imo.)

Monitor: SAMSUNG 2333T High Glossy Black 23" 8ms Full HD

Recommendations/advice would be much appreciated.
pain is weakness leaving the body.
Habel
Profile Joined April 2011
United States123 Posts
June 21 2011 01:10 GMT
#7134
It all looks good man. The thing on the GPU, as Jingle said earlier this page, is a farce that GPU manufacturers have to put up just for faulty GPU's and weird configurations. You're fine with a 500W PSU. Everything looks good except, just to let you know, P67 and other 6 series chipsets have had the bug you were talking about fixed in the latest revision, so getting a P67 would be wise if you don't need the video rendering power that comes from the Z68 chipset.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." - Billy Joel
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 01:13:34
June 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#7135
I'm not really convinced by your argument for not partitioning hard drives. It's not like you're running all the OSes simultaneously and bombarding the drive with reads and writes all over. And even if you were, I'm sure a Caviar Black would be just dandy with that, and it has the 5 year warranty to back it. But anyway...

SATA bug was fixed with B3 stepping chipsets. All LGA 1155 motherboards on the market are fixed. This combo with the i5-2500k and MSI P67A-G43 should be fine:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660242

No you don't need more than 500W. The "requirement" of that graphics card is stating what the whole entire system may want--which of course they can't do accurately since they don't know what CPU and setup you'll be running and what kind of POS power supply you'll use, so they inflate the number. A GTX 560 uses like 150W under load. Regardless, you want a more reliable power supply. That Apex is some old design that still uses a voltage selector switch (no APFC), doesn't provide an honest +12V total rating, and kind of looks sketchy.

XFX Core Edition 450W for $55 ($45 AMIR):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

RAM speed has very marginal impact on performance. Just get a 8GB kit (if you maybe need or want 8GB, which is debatable) for $70:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 01:16:08
June 21 2011 01:14 GMT
#7136


Don't get a manufacturer OC'ed GPU, especially if you're buying from EVGA, when they bundle a utility that'll let you set to the same clock with their cards, and you can buy regular clocked for less.

Your memory is a bit pricey, and memory clock over 1333 doesn't help much, especially on sandy bridge, it doesn't play nice. You also don't need heat spreaders on it.

Buy an aftermarket CPU cooler, since I assume you plan to OC with a -k CPU and a Z68 in your current list. Cooler master Hyper212+ is nice, can pick it up from Fry's for ~$25. Newegg overcharges for it, so if you'd rather avoid extra shipping, the Xigmatek Gaia gets picked a lot.

Always the bridesmaid... if it isn't skyR, it's Myrm... Ninja Post Snipers.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 21 2011 01:19 GMT
#7137
I think he's looking for a motherboard with eight SATA ports, in which case he'll want this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128500
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
June 21 2011 01:22 GMT
#7138
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/how_build_kick-ass_gaming_rig_under_700

Basic article on a sub 700 rig. Has pics on installation for newer ppl too.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 01:30:17
June 21 2011 01:23 GMT
#7139
Maximum really? I thought that magazine was only good for photoshoots. Oh that's Maxim lolol I guess that's what you get for naming a website that similar to a men's magazine -_- The article is terrible anyways, I stopped reading at 6790.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 21 2011 01:31 GMT
#7140
To be honest, you may as well upgrade to the GTX 560 Ti on that kind of budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130634

You can always add SATA ports through expansion cards. And I'm still not convinced on four 500GB hard drives. The most reliable storage is probably Intel 320 series SSDs anyway. I'd really just get a large SSD and put all the OS on it as well as most applications.

$216 for a Intel 320 120GB:
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Intel_Solid_State_Drive_320_Series/SSDSA2CW120G3101PK/11332276/

Storage drives are cheap. $80 for 2TB is common, though it doesn't seem like you will need that much? This is $65 for 1.5TB Spinpoint F4 EcoGreen with the 667GB platters:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152287
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