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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 21 2011 14:03 GMT
#7161
Nope, I'm not American or else I'd be taking advantage of those crazy good rebates.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 21 2011 14:04 GMT
#7162
Oh, and apparently this is actually 16x/8x, pretty much same price as the 8x/8x you linked. There much of a performance difference there? Though you mentioned the 8x/8x is only a 5% drop from the 16x/16x, so I suppose not?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:11:32
June 21 2011 14:08 GMT
#7163
Not really any real world difference or it'll be so small that no one will really care.

Hardocp did some tests with GTX480 SLI with Metro 2033. It'll basically look and perform the same.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:39:31
June 21 2011 14:10 GMT
#7164
So here's my current build... unless I decide to cointoss the open box mobo cause holy shit is that a huge discount.

MB: MSI P67A-G45 Price w/ CPU

CPU: i5-2500k $332.98 with motherboard

GPU: GTX 560 Ti OC $184.99

RAM: GSkill 8gb $64.99

HDD: Samsung f3 1tb $64.99

Case: Rosewill Destroyer $49.99

PSU: XFX 650W $59.99

CD/DVD: Some random LiteOn $18.99

Wireless: Some Rosewill $24.99

Total: $801.91
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:22:46
June 21 2011 14:17 GMT
#7165
Don't use a Green drive for your operating system. They're only there for cheap data storage. Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX or Samsung F3 1TB Spinpoint are your best options if you want to put your OS on a mechanical drive.

Is there a reason why you want SLI - I thought you already had the cards? Why don't you just buy a GTX560 Ti like this or overclock it to hell yourself? This card will basically get dangerously close to the performance of your dual GTX460 SLI while having none of the problems you get from a dual GPU system - its performance is basically a GTX570/GTX480 with more power draw, noise, driver issues, heat, etc.

Also those are GTX460 SE cards. They suck.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
June 21 2011 14:18 GMT
#7166
done
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:24:12
June 21 2011 14:22 GMT
#7167
On June 21 2011 23:17 Womwomwom wrote:
Don't use a Green drive for your operating system. They're only there for cheap data storage. Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX or Samsung F3 1TB Spinpoint are your best options if you want to put your OS on a mechanical drive.

Is there a reason why you want SLI - I thought you already had the cards? Why don't you just buy a GTX560 Ti like this or overclock it to hell yourself? This card will basically get dangerously close to the performance of your dual GTX460 SLI while having none of the problems you get from a dual GPU system - its performance is basically a GTX570/GTX480 with more power draw, noise, driver issues, heat, etc.


Worse, he's looking at SE SLI, which is terrible. 1GB 460 normal is just above the 570/480 performance point. SE will be worse.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gainward/GeForce_GTX_460_SE/12.html
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 21 2011 14:24 GMT
#7168
I fucking hate nVidia's nomenclature. AMD might shuffle their product names around but at least they don't have GTX560 and GTX560 Ti as well as GTX460 and GTX460 SE.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:26:02
June 21 2011 14:25 GMT
#7169
Well, the current price of the 460 makes it $60 less than the OC'd 560 (at least the one you linked), and though I suppose non SLI makes for a slightly less expensive PSU, the 650W one is pretty damn cheap.

Oh, didnt realize the 460 SE sli was that much worse than the normal 460 1gb.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#7170
Aren't GPU's fun? I personally have more trouble keeping track of what AMD rebrands, and with 4 digits instead of 3, it's harder to remember which ones go where. But that can be looked up easier I guess.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:38:50
June 21 2011 14:29 GMT
#7171
Get the CPU+MOBO combo deals, better deals then buying individually.

2500K + Biostar TZ68A : $310
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.658273

2500K + MSI P67A-G45 : $323
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660241

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"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 14:31:36
June 21 2011 14:29 GMT
#7172
Bear in mind, SLI doesn't scale to 200% of single card performance pretty much ever. Current average range is something like 160%-190%.

SLI is also a headache if you play games with bad scaling. I'm using regular 460 1GBs in SLI, OCed to 763, and I only tolerate the heat and noise because I love fiddling with stuff for no good reason.

If nothing else, get the 768mb 460's and SLI those, at least they're faster, and with 2 of them for extra video RAM, you'll get pretty hot performance if you aren't doing something crazy with resolution. Certainly compared to the SE.

Bear in mind, the 768mb is still a bit slower than the 1GB due to some bandwidth stuff.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 21 2011 14:34 GMT
#7173
That Biostar mobo is pretty good considering its the chipset but I guess nobody really uses all those features.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 21 2011 15:08 GMT
#7174
Is it possible to dual boot W7 with XP without having to slipstream SATA drivers to the ISO? Ive seen people say changing SATA to IDE compatibility in the bios can be an alternative.

And of course I dont have a floppy drive... Who does nowadays? :/
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
June 21 2011 18:19 GMT
#7175
So I just moved into my new place, and unfortunately, I can't get a direct connection to my desktop, so I'm going to have to go wireless. Is it better to get one of those USB adapter connections, or buy an actual wireless card to go inside your desktop? I feel like the latter is overall more useful and less of a hassle. I just want to make sure I have a STRONG connection, even if it means shelling out a little bit more money. But at the same time, cheaper is better...
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 21 2011 22:32 GMT
#7176
I was just wondering : When i boot my computer, the computer will not boot until i press 'enter'

There's a black screen with weird characters (i doubt its a windows code or anything. I'll copy it if you feel its needed). When i press 'enter' the computer loads normally.

What could cause this? Since I've 'loaded optimized' in the bios, it started showing off. The reason why i loaded optimized was that i wanted to remove the OC from my I5. Felt it was unnecessary right now for SC2 and will only OC when BF3 comes out

Habel
Profile Joined April 2011
United States123 Posts
June 21 2011 22:37 GMT
#7177
@XenOmega, it could be that you are accessing the boot loader directly, as if your bios thinks that there is more than one OS installed. To fix this, you can go into msconfig, boot, and set timeout to 0, which will automatically choose the first OS in the list that your boot loader belives is there.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." - Billy Joel
Habel
Profile Joined April 2011
United States123 Posts
June 21 2011 22:40 GMT
#7178
@FabledIntegral, definitely go for the PCIe wireless card. USB wireless adapters are complete shit.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints." - Billy Joel
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
June 21 2011 22:44 GMT
#7179
Does anyone have some recommendations on good price/performance SSDs with around 128GB of memory? I'm planning on replacing a stock HD on a notebook with one.

Also, does anyone have experience with OS re-installation (Windows 7) on notebooks? I have a W7 install image burned on a DVD that I used for my desktop. Can I just use that to do a new, clean install on the SSD with the cd-key from my notebook?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 21 2011 22:49 GMT
#7180
On June 22 2011 03:19 FabledIntegral wrote:
So I just moved into my new place, and unfortunately, I can't get a direct connection to my desktop, so I'm going to have to go wireless. Is it better to get one of those USB adapter connections, or buy an actual wireless card to go inside your desktop? I feel like the latter is overall more useful and less of a hassle. I just want to make sure I have a STRONG connection, even if it means shelling out a little bit more money. But at the same time, cheaper is better...


All possible interfaces: USB2.0, PCI, and PCIe 1x should be fast enough unless you're looking to max out an 802.11n connection with 4x4 antennas. That part should be mostly irrelevant. You're just looking with something with hopefully non-buggy drivers and firmware (though good luck with that, on consumer networking gear lol).

I'd just go on amazon or newegg or whatever and search for a newer device with very high ratings and with comments that it works on your operating system (Win7 64-bit?).

Unless you need the signal to go through floors, through thick walls, or over long distances, it generally won't matter what device you get in terms of the signal strength as the signal will be good enough. I mean, plenty of laptops work fine with those internal wireless adapters buried inside the chassis.

However, in the circumstance where this will make a difference, it would be better to have a device with antennas that can be moved around. Ideally you don't want antennas stiffly attached to the back of your computer case where potentially the signal is being blocked by the case and maybe in an area with bad multipath fading. If you have external antennas that can be moved around, moving them around to a better spot can possibly make a significant difference in the connection.
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