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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 18 2011 03:16 GMT
#7021
I find direct heat touch CPU coolers to be extremely inconsistent in results but that's why they're so cheap. They might market it as efficient and effective but its just a cost cutting measure with wildly varying manufacturing defects.
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 03:18:59
June 18 2011 03:17 GMT
#7022
Thanks once again, you have quelled most of my fears about this. So far nothing is malfunctioning so I'm hoping nothing's damaged. Unfortunately, I'm sure the cores stayed around 80+ degrees for an extended period of time while I was playing sc2. SO glad I chose to go check temps when I did. I will update once I replace that heatsink.

Womwomwom are you saying you don't like that heatsink? I'm pretty sure I'll go with it, but would like to hear both sides...
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 18 2011 03:20 GMT
#7023
On June 18 2011 12:17 scarymeerkat wrote:
Thanks once again, you have quelled most of my fears about this. So far nothing is malfunctioning so I'm hoping nothing's damaged. Unfortunately, I'm sure the cores stayed around 80+ degrees for an extended period of time while I was playing sc2. SO glad I chose to go check temps when I did. I will update once I replace that heatsink.

Womwomwom are you saying you don't like that heatsink? I'm pretty sure I'll go with it, but would like to hear both sides...


I have one cooling my i7 930@3.4 right now. Bloomfield runs hotter than sandy bridge.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
June 18 2011 03:27 GMT
#7024
That heatsink is good for the price, that's about it. I've built a lot of computers with that heatsink and its an extremely good heatsink that plays with the big boys in the $70 range. Unfortunately, its performance seems to be tied with how well its come out of the factory; while this is the case with all products, it can be somewhat frustrating to deal with DHT coolers.

Still should be a million times better than the stock cooler though.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 04:45 GMT
#7025
Just tried out SC2 on all ultra at 1920x1080 and I get 120+ FPS, lol! This game doesn't even look the same.
FatFo
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany8 Posts
June 18 2011 18:19 GMT
#7026
hey everyone i need a new computer which should last for the next couple of years maybe someone can help me

What is your budget?
1200€

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?

gaming only

What is your upgrade cycle?

+2 years no upgrade

When do you plan on building it?

about 1 month

Do you plan on overclocking?

yeah maybe with the i5 2500k? dunno

Do you need an Operating System?
yes need on

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
no second gpu

Where are you buying your parts from?
one european online shop

i need a new monitor aswell 23-24

thanks for helping =)
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
June 18 2011 18:52 GMT
#7027
Question. I'm about to install the hyper 212 plus. Procedure: Remove motherboard, graphics card, leave ram in. remove intel heatsink, use rubbing alcohol to clean thermal paste off of cpu. Mount the backplate for the heatsink yadayadayada. Should I be spreading the thermal paste or just leaving it as a drop?
is the thermal paste procedure shown here exactly what i should do?
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 18 2011 19:20 GMT
#7028
The Hyper 212+ is a direct touch heatsink so you don't want to use the drop method with this type of heatsink. You need to apply thin lines as illustrated in this guide: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=170&Itemid=1
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 19:21:18
June 18 2011 19:20 GMT
#7029
Don't spread the paste like that, just apply a very thin line to each heatpipe, use the heatsink to spread it, do screws on opposite corners for even pressure.

Make sure to have the fan moving air with the airflow, not against.
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 20:03:17
June 18 2011 19:22 GMT
#7030
Thanks, going to install now, will keep you updated whether you want me to or not... lol.

EDIT: wait, so i dont apply the paste on the copper coloured tubes, i apply it between them?
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 19:25:28
June 18 2011 19:23 GMT
#7031
On June 19 2011 04:22 scarymeerkat wrote:
Thanks, going to install now, will keeo you updated whether you want me to or not... lol


Meh, my ego likes success stories. And after last nights marathon of protecting you from misinformation and inadvertently providing a tad of my own a la CPU-Z, moreso.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 20:39:15
June 18 2011 20:36 GMT
#7032
On June 18 2011 12:16 Womwomwom wrote:
I find direct heat touch CPU coolers to be extremely inconsistent in results but that's why they're so cheap. They might market it as efficient and effective but its just a cost cutting measure with wildly varying manufacturing defects.


I'm curious what you are seeing that corrorborates your statement.

Thermalright themselves were guilty with consistent concavity problems in their TRUE lines, which often required wet sanding - and this isn't even addressing the pressure issues, which warranted washer mods. And I would know as a former owner of the TRUE.

Now I've used Thermalright since as long as I can remember, but my transition from a TRUE to a 212+ taught me that paying more does not imply better QA/QC. I too didn't believe in HDTs, but I often find that the problem is more user-based, when applying the TIM, more than anything else.
With no power comes no responsibility?
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
June 18 2011 22:09 GMT
#7033
Fan installed, seems to be idling around 35 degrees which should be fine because the room temp is around 28... Permission to test with Prime 95?
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:24:44
June 18 2011 22:22 GMT
#7034
35 degrees is fine. Go ahead.

*Just noticed your previous post. Yes, you would apply the TIM between the heatpipes, instead of directly on them.
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With no power comes no responsibility?
Icemind
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 22:34:17
June 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#7035
Just wanted to mention that the link to notebookreviews.com in the OP doesn't lead anywhere anymore for some weird reason. The site still seems to exist and can be accessed under http://www.notebookreview.com/reviews/
This should probably be edited in
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
June 18 2011 22:39 GMT
#7036
Excellent results thus far, blend test yielded average core temps of 55 degrees under 100% load. Very happy that I was able to install the heatsink myself and it seems to be working great. Now hopefully there's no underlying damage and my cpu won't just conk out on me. Hopefully this satisfies your ego's need for success stories today, Jingle. Thank you to skyR and Jinglehell especially, skyR for the build help, Jingle for sorting out my heat problems. Everyone is very patient and nice here, and I'm grateful for the help. Don't take it the wrong way when I say I hope I won't be posting here for a lonnggg time.
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 19 2011 00:10 GMT
#7037
Any good/decent Blue led 120mm fans out there that can work with a Heatsink like CM 212? I want to add some color to my Azza case ^^

Robert
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 00:55:08
June 19 2011 00:54 GMT
#7038
On June 19 2011 09:10 XenOmega wrote:
Any good/decent Blue led 120mm fans out there that can work with a Heatsink like CM 212? I want to add some color to my Azza case ^^

Robert


Best LED fan that I know of is the Antec Tricool LED 120mm, it's also the right size. All the better performance fans tend to not have LED's to avoid inconsistencies that cause vibration and noise.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page3.html

Tricools are pretty solid.

Remove the heatsink to change fans, otherwise it can unseat and lose you a memory channel.
manchego
Profile Joined June 2011
8 Posts
June 19 2011 01:30 GMT
#7039
What is your budget?
$1500

What is your resolution?
1920x1080

What are you using it for?
Mostly gaming. I'll be using it to surf the net and possibly do some Microsoft Office level work. That's about it. I want a computer that will run SC2 at Ultra settings at the above resolution with no issues. Another very-distant goal is a computer that will run Diablo 3 just as well.

What is your upgrade cycle?
Won't be looking to upgrade for at least 4 years.

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on building it the moment all the parts arrive.

Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't plan on over-clocking it initially, but I'd like to consider it and adding an aftermarket cooling system or heatsink in the future. Is this an option, or do you have to do it immediately as you install the components into the case?

Do you need an Operating System?
I do, and I'm not sure which version of Windows 7 64 to get. Home? Pro? Ultimate?

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I'm not planning on ever adding a second GPU, and I'm not sure what Crossfire is, but I can do that research myself. I'm planning on purchasing a GTX 560 Ti as you can see below.

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg.com

I've built this up at Newegg, but this is the first time I'm building a computer on my own in forever. Am I missing anything obvious or is there something I can do better?

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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2011 01:43 GMT
#7040
@manchego

No you don't have to overclock initially. You can do it anytime you wish but however most aftermarket heatsinks will require a backplate to be installed. With a case such as the Antec Three Hundred where there is no cutout on the motherboard tray, it'll require you to remove the entire motherboard to install an aftermarket heatsink.

There's very small performance difference between the different memory frequencies and timings as seen here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377/3 and here http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html

So it's best to just get the least expensive memory kit you can find: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

CrossfireX is AMD's multi-GPU solution.

If you have no intention of doing a multi-GPU configuration than you do not need a 650w power supply. This XFX Core Edition 450w for $55 ($45 after mail in rebate) would be more than enough to handle your single graphics card configuration: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Is there a reason for the ASUS P8P67 over a less expensive Z68 or P67 motherboard such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128502 ?

You can compare Windows 7 edition features here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows7/products/compare If you have to ask, you'll most likely only going to need Home Premium.

Case is personal preference but if you didn't have anything specific in mind and just picked a case. I think the Coolermaster HAF 912 for $60 ($50 after mail in rebate) provides a better value: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
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