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Squishy-1

United States30 Posts

May 09 2011 05:36 GMT

#5181

How much money could be saved building a computer similar to this one as oppose to buying it already put together? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227291
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Processor:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz)

Memory:
4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive:
1TB SATAII

Optical Drive:
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Graphics:
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

Or is there anything that could be replaced without much loss that would make it significantly cheaper? Thanks for any help.

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

May 09 2011 05:44 GMT

#5182

On May 09 2011 14:23 iTzAnglory wrote:
Question: Why do some people suggest like a 450 watt PSU for a 5850 when it clearly says 500 watt requirement?

Because that's not a requirement at all. The HD 5850 itself only takes about 150W under a heavy load (less in most games). They're making a conservative "requirement" assuming your "450W" PSU is actually a 350W PSU or so, and that you've got a power-hungry CPU and several HDDs.

Something like a i5-2400 only takes like 60W full load (full i7-930 load is more like 120W, as is some higher-end Phenom II X4 and Phenom II X6), and the power draw of everything but the CPU and GPU is pretty low, generally 50W or under for most systems.

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

May 09 2011 05:48 GMT

#5183

On May 09 2011 14:36 Squishy-1 wrote:
How much money could be saved building a computer similar to this one as oppose to buying it already put together? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227291
+ Show Spoiler +

Processor:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz)

Memory:
4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333

Hard Drive:
1TB SATAII

Optical Drive:
24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive

Graphics:
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB

Or is there anything that could be replaced without much loss that would make it significantly cheaper? Thanks for any help.

Computer used for what? For gaming, a Phenom II X6 is a bad choice and you'd want something else anyway. Assuming you need to pay $100 for Windows--as in, you can't get it elsewhere and are not a student who could get a discount on it--you could get a better gaming computer with a better GPU for about $670. For a computer better in every way, add about $60 more for a better CPU.

edit: and picking parts yourself, you wouldn't be stuck with potential mystery-brand components.

If you insist on getting something pre-assembled, I'd suggest picking parts (that we suggest, if you're not comfortable doing that yourself) on NCIXUS and ordering there. They have a $50 assembly+testing+1 year warranty option you put in the shopping cart with all the components.

Squishy-1

United States30 Posts

May 09 2011 06:07 GMT

#5184

On May 09 2011 14:48 Myrmidon wrote:

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Oooooh shiney! I didn't check that site because the OP had it in Canada's section. It would be primarily gaming, with some photo/video editing but when it comes to rendering I am patient. I will look through NCIXUS and see if I can find a better deal. Could you answer why a Phenom II X6 is a bad choice and what I should use instead? My max budget is $800 so I can't be going with too much top of the line stuff. My ultimate goal is run SC2 great, and can be speculated to be able to run Skyrim when it comes out above decent graphic settings. I am sorry my previous post lacked vital information.

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

May 09 2011 06:21 GMT

#5185

@Squishy-1

The same configuration as the prebuilt from Newegg comes to a total of $641. I'm not saying buy this, I'm just showing you how much less expensive it is to build it: + Show Spoiler +

Below configuration (better in every aspect and less expensive) comes to a total of $749:

Intel Core i5 2300 @ $183
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57965&promoid=1323

ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM @ $79
http://www.ncixus.com/products/59829/P8H61-M LE/CSM <REV 3.0>/ASUS/

Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=55546&promoid=1323

Sapphire Radeon Xtreme HD5850 @ $150
http://www.ncixus.com/products/60714/11162-15-20G/SAPPHIRE/

Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Case @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=46894&promoid=1323

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1323

Antec Neo 450W @ $46
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1323

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $97
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1323

DVD Drive @ $21
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1323

PC Assembly (1 year warranty)
http://www.ncixus.com/products/7842/PC-ASSEMBLY/NCIXPC/

Performance difference between the Phenom II and Intel processors can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083

450w is more than adequate to handle your configuration as the Radeon 5850 uses roughly 150w, the 5870 is a more powerful card and is shown to be using only 170w during a gaming load here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti_4.html#sect0 while a core i3 2100 only uses around 50w under full load as shown here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0 In total, your power consumption should be well under 300w during gaming. The 450w power supply leaves you ample headroom for future upgrades to a stronger graphics card or more HDDs etc.

Performance difference between the 5850 and 5770 can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=296

Configuration above should easily be able to handle games coming out in the next year or two at 1920x1200 on high settings.

Squishy-1

United States30 Posts

May 09 2011 06:28 GMT

#5186

On May 09 2011 15:21 skyR wrote:
@Squishy-1

The same configuration as the prebuilt from Newegg comes to a total of $641. I'm not saying buy this, I'm just showing you how much less expensive it is to build it: + Show Spoiler +

Below configuration (better in every aspect and less expensive) comes to a total of $749:

Intel Core i3 2100 @ $183
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57965&promoid=1323

ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM @ $79
http://www.ncixus.com/products/59829/P8H61-M LE/CSM <REV 3.0>/ASUS/

Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=55546&promoid=1323

Sapphire Radeon Xtreme HD5850 @ $150
http://www.ncixus.com/products/60714/11162-15-20G/SAPPHIRE/

Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Case @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=46894&promoid=1323

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $41
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1323

Antec Neo 450W @ $46
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1323

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $97
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1323

DVD Drive @ $21
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1323

PC Assembly (1 year warranty)
http://www.ncixus.com/products/7842/PC-ASSEMBLY/NCIXPC/

Performance difference between the Phenom II and Intel processors can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083

450w is more than adequate to handle your configuration as the Radeon 5850 uses roughly 150w, the 5870 is a more powerful card and is shown to be using only 170w during a gaming load here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti_4.html#sect0 while a core i3 2100 only uses around 50w under full load as shown here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0 In total, your power consumption should be well under 300w during gaming. The 450w power supply leaves you ample headroom for future upgrades to a stronger graphics card or more HDDs etc.

Performance difference between the 5850 and 5770 can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=296

Configuration above should easily be able to handle games coming out in the next year or two at 1920x1200 on high settings.

Wow, you are so helpful. I greatly appreciate your help, this is the first computer I am buying with my own money so I want to make sure I do it right. Thanks again.

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

May 09 2011 06:30 GMT

#5187

That "i3-2100" is a i5-2300 btw. Big difference.

A few alternate choices to consider as replacements for what skyR listed (though everything he picked was fine):

Core i5-2500 (500 MHz faster than i5-2300, so I guess worth the $20 difference IMHO) - $203
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57963&promoid=1323

Cooler Master Elite 370 - $37
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=55447&promoid=1323

Gigabyte H61M (has USB3) - $81
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60574&promoid=1323

Seagate Barracuda 1TB (in case you actually wanted 1TB) - $56
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58746&promoid=1323

It should be a decent amount better than the cyberpower you linked.

Highlight

United States75 Posts

May 09 2011 08:06 GMT

#5188

hi guys I read a lot of the posts here and I saw that the ATI 5850 is a popular choice for gamers building their own computer. But, I also read about the HD 6950, HD 6870, and GTX 560 TI being good cards. I know that the 5850 can play SC2 on ultra and so can cards like the 560, but my question is...for streaming SC2 with constant 60+ fps and playing graphic intensive games like Crysis 2 and Shogun Total War 2, would buying a 560 be worth it over a budget card like the ATI 5850?

The cards vary greatly in their price points and so I thought I would ask you guys for veteran advice. Thanks!

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

May 09 2011 08:30 GMT

#5189

Streaming is dependent on your processor so having a better graphics card is not going to increase FPS during streaming.

Here's a snippet from a review showing Shogun 2 performance between various cards (primarily GTX 560 overclocked cards): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gtx560-ti-roundup_11.html#sect4 and of Crysis: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gtx560-ti-roundup_8.html#sect4 Another one for Crysis: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188

Getting a GTX 560 instead of a 5850 will definitely help in games other than SC2 but whether an extra $100 is worth it is dependent on the individual.

Bambipwnsu

Canada698 Posts

May 09 2011 09:16 GMT

#5190

Correct me if i am wrong but i have heard of some sketchy things regarding the Seagate 1TB HD models, something about the build quality being really bad..like the disks vibrating really hard. I dont think it happens with the 500gb models. Can anyone confirm?

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

May 09 2011 10:05 GMT

#5191

Seagate's Barracuda had high failure rates but they should be fine now. What you should be looking out for are their high capacity drives because Seagate loves to cheap out (?) and cram a million platters when you really shouldn't. I think most computers can't reliably supply enough power through USB to run their 3TB portable drives safely.

Still wouldn't touch Seagate if there's any other hard drive company available.

GTR

51518 Posts

May 09 2011 12:41 GMT

#5192

On May 09 2011 17:06 Highlight wrote:
hi guys I read a lot of the posts here and I saw that the ATI 5850 is a popular choice for gamers building their own computer. But, I also read about the HD 6950, HD 6870, and GTX 560 TI being good cards. I know that the 5850 can play SC2 on ultra and so can cards like the 560, but my question is...for streaming SC2 with constant 60+ fps and playing graphic intensive games like Crysis 2 and Shogun Total War 2, would buying a 560 be worth it over a budget card like the ATI 5850?

The cards vary greatly in their price points and so I thought I would ask you guys for veteran advice. Thanks!

i have an i5 2500k + gtx 560 ti and i've yet to encounter any framerate problems playing the games you have mentioned.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 09 2011 12:51 GMT

#5193

yeah the 560ti is definitely a sick card. i myself have a 6950, but if it wasnt for the bios flashing trick i wouldve gotten a 560ti no doubt

mcJ

Denmark322 Posts

May 09 2011 13:13 GMT

#5194

Alright, i'm still wandering around is this hardware jungle, and i've finally setteled with a rig, but i'm wondering which GPU to choose the MSI Geforce GTX 560 TI (TwinFrozer II OC edition) or the Raedon 6950

the rest of the rig is this:
Cpu: Intel I7-2600 sandybridge
Ram: Corsair 8gb 1333mhz
Mobo: Asus P8H67-M
Psu: Corsair 600w

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 09 2011 13:17 GMT

#5195

if you arent overclocking, id get the 6950 2g and flash it to a 6970 (if that still works)

if you do plan on overclocking, i guess its a bit of a tossup. 560ti is cheaper so id probably go with that. it really depends on the games you want to be playing, both of them do fine in all games, its just that the 560 performs better in game x whereas the 6950 performs better in game y

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

May 09 2011 13:23 GMT

#5196

Resolution here matters. If you're under 1920x1080, GTX560 wins very easily. Any higher, the high end AMD cards do very well.

Stock settings: HD6950 > GTX560
Overclocks with voltage manipulation: GTX560 > HD6950

If you get a reference card, you should be able to unlock extra shaders on the HD6950 making it like a kind of gimped HD6970.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 09 2011 13:49 GMT

#5197

what makes it gimped? just curious

sixfour

England11061 Posts

May 09 2011 14:02 GMT

#5198

Can someone tell me if there's any obvious problems with this build, looking at SC2 on medium at 1680x1050 (too optimistic? If I needed to drop resolution it wouldn't be that big a deal) and nothing more taxing than that. Wouldn't be upgrading for a long time

Phenom II X4 840
2x2GB Corsair DDR3 1333mhz
Corsair 430CX
MSI Radeon 5670 HD 1GB DDR5
500GB Seagate Barracuda
MSI 870 G45 AM3 mobo
Coolermaster Elite 330
Samsung DVD-R drive
Win7 Home Premium

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

May 09 2011 14:10 GMT

#5199

The HD6970 and HD6950 use different memory. The HD6950 with unlocked shaders can't overclock as safely as a proper HD6970 because the HD6950 memory can't handle the same overclocks at the HD6970.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 09 2011 14:13 GMT

#5200

thanks. but would overclocking a flashed 6950 to the speeds of a stock 6970 be safe enough? (880/1375 iirc)

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