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Squishy-1
United States30 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz) Memory: 4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333 Hard Drive: 1TB SATAII Optical Drive: 24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB Or is there anything that could be replaced without much loss that would make it significantly cheaper? Thanks for any help. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 09 2011 14:23 iTzAnglory wrote: Question: Why do some people suggest like a 450 watt PSU for a 5850 when it clearly says 500 watt requirement? Because that's not a requirement at all. The HD 5850 itself only takes about 150W under a heavy load (less in most games). They're making a conservative "requirement" assuming your "450W" PSU is actually a 350W PSU or so, and that you've got a power-hungry CPU and several HDDs. Something like a i5-2400 only takes like 60W full load (full i7-930 load is more like 120W, as is some higher-end Phenom II X4 and Phenom II X6), and the power draw of everything but the CPU and GPU is pretty low, generally 50W or under for most systems. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On May 09 2011 14:36 Squishy-1 wrote: How much money could be saved building a computer similar to this one as oppose to buying it already put together? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227291 + Show Spoiler + Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(2.8GHz) Memory: 4GB (2GB x 2) DDR3 1333 Hard Drive: 1TB SATAII Optical Drive: 24X DL DVD+/-RW Drive Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB Or is there anything that could be replaced without much loss that would make it significantly cheaper? Thanks for any help. Computer used for what? For gaming, a Phenom II X6 is a bad choice and you'd want something else anyway. Assuming you need to pay $100 for Windows--as in, you can't get it elsewhere and are not a student who could get a discount on it--you could get a better gaming computer with a better GPU for about $670. For a computer better in every way, add about $60 more for a better CPU. edit: and picking parts yourself, you wouldn't be stuck with potential mystery-brand components. If you insist on getting something pre-assembled, I'd suggest picking parts (that we suggest, if you're not comfortable doing that yourself) on NCIXUS and ordering there. They have a $50 assembly+testing+1 year warranty option you put in the shopping cart with all the components. | ||
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Squishy-1
United States30 Posts
On May 09 2011 14:48 Myrmidon wrote: Computer used for what? For gaming, a Phenom II X6 is a bad choice and you'd want something else anyway. Assuming you need to pay $100 for Windows--as in, you can't get it elsewhere and are not a student who could get a discount on it--you could get a better gaming computer with a better GPU for about $670. For a computer better in every way, add about $60 more for a better CPU. edit: and picking parts yourself, you wouldn't be stuck with potential mystery-brand components. If you insist on getting something pre-assembled, I'd suggest picking parts (that we suggest, if you're not comfortable doing that yourself) on NCIXUS and ordering there. They have a $50 assembly+testing+1 year warranty option you put in the shopping cart with all the components. Oooooh shiney! I didn't check that site because the OP had it in Canada's section. It would be primarily gaming, with some photo/video editing but when it comes to rendering I am patient. I will look through NCIXUS and see if I can find a better deal. Could you answer why a Phenom II X6 is a bad choice and what I should use instead? My max budget is $800 so I can't be going with too much top of the line stuff. My ultimate goal is run SC2 great, and can be speculated to be able to run Skyrim when it comes out above decent graphic settings. I am sorry my previous post lacked vital information. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
The same configuration as the prebuilt from Newegg comes to a total of $641. I'm not saying buy this, I'm just showing you how much less expensive it is to build it: + Show Spoiler + AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ $160 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851 Biostar AM3 A770E3 @ $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179 Powercolor Radeon HD5770 @ $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131330 Coolermaster Elite @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115 GSkill 1333MHz 2x2GB @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253 Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136534 Rosewill RV2 700w @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182173 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 DVD Drive @ $21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Below configuration (better in every aspect and less expensive) comes to a total of $749: Intel Core i5 2300 @ $183 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57965&promoid=1323 ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM @ $79 http://www.ncixus.com/products/59829/P8H61-M LE/CSM <REV 3.0>/ASUS/ Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=55546&promoid=1323 Sapphire Radeon Xtreme HD5850 @ $150 http://www.ncixus.com/products/60714/11162-15-20G/SAPPHIRE/ Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Case @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=46894&promoid=1323 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1323 Antec Neo 450W @ $46 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1323 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $97 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1323 DVD Drive @ $21 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1323 PC Assembly (1 year warranty) http://www.ncixus.com/products/7842/PC-ASSEMBLY/NCIXPC/ Performance difference between the Phenom II and Intel processors can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083 450w is more than adequate to handle your configuration as the Radeon 5850 uses roughly 150w, the 5870 is a more powerful card and is shown to be using only 170w during a gaming load here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti_4.html#sect0 while a core i3 2100 only uses around 50w under full load as shown here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0 In total, your power consumption should be well under 300w during gaming. The 450w power supply leaves you ample headroom for future upgrades to a stronger graphics card or more HDDs etc. Performance difference between the 5850 and 5770 can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=296 Configuration above should easily be able to handle games coming out in the next year or two at 1920x1200 on high settings. | ||
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Squishy-1
United States30 Posts
On May 09 2011 15:21 skyR wrote: @Squishy-1 The same configuration as the prebuilt from Newegg comes to a total of $641. I'm not saying buy this, I'm just showing you how much less expensive it is to build it: + Show Spoiler + AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ $160 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851 Biostar AM3 A770E3 @ $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179 Powercolor Radeon HD5770 @ $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131330 Coolermaster Elite @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115 GSkill 1333MHz 2x2GB @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253 Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136534 Rosewill RV2 700w @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182173 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 DVD Drive @ $21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Below configuration (better in every aspect and less expensive) comes to a total of $749: Intel Core i3 2100 @ $183 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57965&promoid=1323 ASUS P8H61-M LE/CSM @ $79 http://www.ncixus.com/products/59829/P8H61-M LE/CSM <REV 3.0>/ASUS/ Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/index.php?sku=55546&promoid=1323 Sapphire Radeon Xtreme HD5850 @ $150 http://www.ncixus.com/products/60714/11162-15-20G/SAPPHIRE/ Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Case @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=46894&promoid=1323 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $41 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58402&promoid=1323 Antec Neo 450W @ $46 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1323 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $97 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1323 DVD Drive @ $21 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60344&promoid=1323 PC Assembly (1 year warranty) http://www.ncixus.com/products/7842/PC-ASSEMBLY/NCIXPC/ Performance difference between the Phenom II and Intel processors can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083 450w is more than adequate to handle your configuration as the Radeon 5850 uses roughly 150w, the 5870 is a more powerful card and is shown to be using only 170w during a gaming load here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti_4.html#sect0 while a core i3 2100 only uses around 50w under full load as shown here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0 In total, your power consumption should be well under 300w during gaming. The 450w power supply leaves you ample headroom for future upgrades to a stronger graphics card or more HDDs etc. Performance difference between the 5850 and 5770 can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=296 Configuration above should easily be able to handle games coming out in the next year or two at 1920x1200 on high settings. Wow, you are so helpful. I greatly appreciate your help, this is the first computer I am buying with my own money so I want to make sure I do it right. Thanks again. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
 A few alternate choices to consider as replacements for what skyR listed (though everything he picked was fine): Core i5-2500 (500 MHz faster than i5-2300, so I guess worth the $20 difference IMHO) - $203 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=57963&promoid=1323 Cooler Master Elite 370 - $37 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=55447&promoid=1323 Gigabyte H61M (has USB3) - $81 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=60574&promoid=1323 Seagate Barracuda 1TB (in case you actually wanted 1TB) - $56 http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=58746&promoid=1323 It should be a decent amount better than the cyberpower you linked. | ||
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Highlight
United States75 Posts
The cards vary greatly in their price points and so I thought I would ask you guys for veteran advice. Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Here's a snippet from a review showing Shogun 2 performance between various cards (primarily GTX 560 overclocked cards): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gtx560-ti-roundup_11.html#sect4 and of Crysis: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-gtx560-ti-roundup_8.html#sect4 Another one for Crysis: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188 Getting a GTX 560 instead of a 5850 will definitely help in games other than SC2 but whether an extra $100 is worth it is dependent on the individual. | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Still wouldn't touch Seagate if there's any other hard drive company available. | ||
GTR
51712 Posts
On May 09 2011 17:06 Highlight wrote: hi guys I read a lot of the posts here and I saw that the ATI 5850 is a popular choice for gamers building their own computer. But, I also read about the HD 6950, HD 6870, and GTX 560 TI being good cards. I know that the 5850 can play SC2 on ultra and so can cards like the 560, but my question is...for streaming SC2 with constant 60+ fps and playing graphic intensive games like Crysis 2 and Shogun Total War 2, would buying a 560 be worth it over a budget card like the ATI 5850? The cards vary greatly in their price points and so I thought I would ask you guys for veteran advice. Thanks! i have an i5 2500k + gtx 560 ti and i've yet to encounter any framerate problems playing the games you have mentioned. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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mcJ
Denmark322 Posts
the rest of the rig is this: Cpu: Intel I7-2600 sandybridge Ram: Corsair 8gb 1333mhz Mobo: Asus P8H67-M Psu: Corsair 600w | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
if you do plan on overclocking, i guess its a bit of a tossup. 560ti is cheaper so id probably go with that. it really depends on the games you want to be playing, both of them do fine in all games, its just that the 560 performs better in game x whereas the 6950 performs better in game y | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Stock settings: HD6950 > GTX560 Overclocks with voltage manipulation: GTX560 > HD6950 If you get a reference card, you should be able to unlock extra shaders on the HD6950 making it like a kind of gimped HD6970. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
Phenom II X4 840 2x2GB Corsair DDR3 1333mhz Corsair 430CX MSI Radeon 5670 HD 1GB DDR5 500GB Seagate Barracuda MSI 870 G45 AM3 mobo Coolermaster Elite 330 Samsung DVD-R drive Win7 Home Premium | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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