EPTalso it would make it easier for me to upgrade later to two 560s in sli.
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
also it would make it easier for me to upgrade later to two 560s in sli. | ||
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Cornstyle
United States147 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
A overclock without voltage change running at 70c is a problem especially if you are using an aftermarket heatsink such as a Coolermaster Hyper 212+. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
What cooler are you using? What's the voltage set to? You can get better application with some thin lines of paste parallel to the heatpipe of a cooler with bare heatpipes along the bottom of the base. That shouldn't make a huge difference though. How much paste did you use? It's much more common for people to use too much than too little. Also, check the clamping mechanism. You might want to remove the heatsink, remove the paste, and reapply new paste correctly, if that was the issue. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
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GTR
51599 Posts
On May 05 2011 18:04 skyR wrote: Reapply the paste in two thin lines as seen in the article. Having too much thermal paste can increase temperatures because the paste will act as an insulator. Don't be scared of touching the vcore, anything below 1.4v is perfectly safe for 24/7 operation. If the proecssor isn't receiving enough voltage, it'll just bluescreen and the vcore will be back to what it was previously set to. Hmm, just posting saying that I decided to re-apply the thermal paste (I've run out now.. thanks dad for using it all on the first go -_-). While I've downclocked to 4GHz/1.25v, just to be completely safe, I'm getting a maximum of 55 degrees stress testing with Prime95. I might sound stupid here, but upping the voltage means increasing the output of heat from the CPU, right? So I guess, the temperatures I'm getting are more than acceptable for daily use. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
- Recommended core voltage is under 1.35v to prevent any significant decrease in life span - Max core voltage is 1.38v~1.4v - Keep temperatures under ~70 degrees - Memory should be running at 1.5v, 1.58v at the very most. 1.65v memory can be used but not recommended - PLL Voltage must be under 1.9v You're no where near the limits. These figures are pretty conservative anyway, there pretty much the numbers Intel believes that won't decrease the life span of the processor. To second paragraph, yes increasing voltages will produce more heat as more power is consumed. The formula to calculate power consumption of processors can be dumbed down to "power = frequency * voltage^2" so changing the voltage by a small amount results will result in a lot more power consumed and thus the processor heatsink needs to dissipate more energy. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a link/source where Intel suggests those above limits? I'm guessing it's derived from Intel docs or something that somebody on the inside knows and has let be known? There's not like an official announcement or white paper on this, or is there? | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
http://mysite.verizon.net/pchardwarelinks/elec.htm Which I'm guessing are from Intel's Design Guides, they make sense so I haven't bothered to verify. I can't verify 1.35v being the recommended maximum operating voltage so I shouldn't have said that since there isn't any real proof to that. If you go to Intel's Technical Documents for any Sandy Bridge processor, take a look at Page 80 of Datasheet 1. Intel recommends a max memory voltage of 1.575 - I think Asus also recommends using 1.5v memory - and a max PLL supply voltage of 1.89v. That's not to say your processor is going to die in 36 months, 21 days, and 2 hours if you use 1.65v memory but those are the recommended values. Datasheet 1 if you care: http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/324641.pdf | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Specifically, Tcase and I believe max voltages, but it's been a while since I checked anything besides temps there. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
It's not like anybody's been running these processors for 3 years yet anyway. Any type of guideline or spec, as always, has to be based on (very educated) guesses from overloading some samples until they die and knowledge of the transistor characteristics from testing on the process. I wonder if there's going to be a significant change in operating limits on the high side with the 3D 22nm transistors. It looks like you can get relatively good performance with lower voltages than before, but the other direction? | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
 How powerful should a PSU be to be future-proof? Do you guys think that power consumption of components will increase? A lot? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Power consumption of components is on the way down. In the foreseeable future (and in the past this has been true obviously), you're always going to be able to wait a few years and pick up a part of equivalent power consumption that is a lot faster than what you have now. | ||
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lawnie
United States16 Posts
I went through and answered the questions from the first post as best I could. Thanks in advance for any help, Lawnie What is your budget? + Show Spoiler + $800-$1500 What is your resolution? + Show Spoiler + Am I looking for the max resolution that I can set for my display settings? If so, I am looking for 1680x1050. What are you using it for? + Show Spoiler + Games. I never want to see “Your computer is slowing down the game…” again. I am mainly playing SC2 right now, but I want to have bitchin performance for any sort of game. What is your upgrade cycle? + Show Spoiler + I would tend to lean towards the long upgrade cycle. I would like to spend a little extra now to avoid having to upgrade in the next year or two. When do you plan on building it? + Show Spoiler + Now. This money is burning a hole in my pocket. Do you plan on overclocking? + Show Spoiler + I don’t know. I’m not too sure of the pros and cons of overclocking. I suppose I should avoid it if I can help it? Do you need an Operating System? + Show Spoiler + I think I have a copy of vista home. If there are performance benefits to a newer OS then I should get one. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? + Show Spoiler + If it makes my computer way more badass, then yeah! I’m not quite sure how much this type of thing costs, but if it works out for my price range then more is better, right? Where are you buying your parts from? + Show Spoiler + I live in a town of 5,000 in western Colorado. I will probably have to find everything online and get it shipped. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
$160 - ASRock P67 Extreme4 $242 - Sapphire HD 6950 $60 - CoolerMaster HAF 912 $70 - Spinpoint F3 1TB $70 - Antec Earthwatts EA650 $20 - Samsung DVD RW $100 - Windows 7 $1,019.91 $10 off i5-200k with promo code HARDOCPX5X4B $20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card for HD 6950 Total $989.91 Can add a 2nd 6950 for Crossfire later. Can add an SDD if you want to fill out your budget. I'd recommend the Crucial C300 128GB for $238, | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Intel Core i5-2500k and Gigabyte P67A-UD3 - $334 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.642509 Xigmatek Gaia - $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422 G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $70 after promo code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417 MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II - $250 ($230 after MIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 Crucial C300 128GB SSD - $195 after promo code http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=CTFDDAC28G&title=Crucial-2-5-inch-128GB-RealSSD-C300-SATA3-Solid-State-Drive-MLC Asus CD/DVD burner - $21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 XFX Core Edition 450W - $55 ($45 after MIR) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 Cooler Master HAF912 - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 If you put the operating system, programs, and games on the SSD, they will all load faster and your general computer use will be noticeably more responsive. However, getting an SSD won't improve ingame frame rates, though it's good for about everything else you do on the computer. edit: hm, pretty much the same as deconduo, except I found a better price for the Crucial C300 and don't think Crossfire/SLI support is worth it even on this budget. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
Friend is upgrading a computer and I'm helping him. He should only need a new CPU, mobo, videocard, and RAM. CPU: i5 seems like the best choice. I don't think any games use quad cores yet but it seems like a better choice since the computer should last a couple years. http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&manufacture=Intel Mobo: Unsure so far. Looking at the spoiler advice at the start of this thread, I found this one. The thing is, I doubt that he needs to spend that much on a mobo. I also found this one and I don't know what the difference is. Apparently the "LE" version is $60 cheaper because it's less sturdy? Anyone have any insight into that and why you wouldn't get it. Videocard: Haven't looked yet. Any advice appreciated for price/performance that matches CPU so there isn't a bottleneck or waste of money. I'm running two 4850s in crossfire and I might get a new videocard for myself as well in the next year. RAM: Haven't looked yet. Kind of unimportant because he won't be overclocking so the timings/frequency/whatever aren't key. He might get some ~$60 4-8GB DDR3 and then upgrade it later to save money. | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
Can someone help me with a build? I am a complete newbie and this will be my first time building a comp. My budget is $600-750. I have a 4 year old LCD screen. I don't really want to replace it. I think it's at 1280x1080 (or w/e it is). I think it's a 17''. I plan on building it within the week if it's possible I'm using it for starcraft 2 mainly. Would like to play the game at ultra, if not high. I would also like to add the MAC OS operating system as well as windows 7. windows 7 is ~$20 at my university and I already have a mac os. I've never ran a dual OS, so I have 0 experience. Is it too taxing on a $600-750 computer to run both OS? I'm not sure why I would need to overclock. I just know overclocking = more power, but I'm not sure if I necessarily need it. Some advice would be appreciated. Also for the second GPU, if I don't need it I won't buy it. I plan on upgrading the computer in 2-3 years. Thank you for the help!! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If he's not going to be overclocking, you can get a Core i5-2500 (same as i5-2500k but can't be overclocked as much and has worse integrated graphics, which won't be used), or i5-2400, or i5-2300. Also, you can go with a much cheaper motherboard. The P8P67 Pro has higher-end voltage regulation parts (better for overclocking), more overclocking features, SLI/Crossfire support, etc. that won't be needed. But you could get a H61 or H67 motherboard cheaper than the P8P67 LE too. A great graphics card value right now is the HD 5850. Sapphire released a particular model--called Xtreme--that sells for under a GTX 460 and HD 6850 while outperforming both. http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60714 (pricematch http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14080BD8808) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You don't need a second graphics card for your purposes. Even for other games, you'll want to stray away from doing a multiple graphic card setup unless you play at a resolution higher than 1920x1200 or have too much money to spend. The configurataion below totals to $631 and can handle Starcraft 2 on Ultra, along with streaming, and other games as well on high settings at 1920x1200 (so it gives you the option of buying a new monitor if you want). If you are content on playing on your 1280x1080 monitor, you could save some money on the graphics card. Intel Core i5 2400 @ $190 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 Asrock H61m U3S3 @ $80 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236 ASUS Radeon 6850 DirectCU @ $160 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121419 GSkill 1333MHz 2x2GB @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231394 Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769 DVD Drive @ $21 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 XFX Core Edition 450w @ $55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012 Coolermaster Elite 330 @ $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115 | ||
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It covered the entire bottom, if that helps.
