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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:32:36
May 09 2011 14:24 GMT
#5201
Trying to get that memory to run at 1375mhz is probably going to cause your GPU to GSOD until you switch it to a lower memory frequency.

Just be careful with the voltages, that's all. The point of unlocking the shaders is not to get a free HD6970 but to get something like 5 free FPS doing possibly the safest mod right now since AMD gives you a dual BIOS to play with.

@Sixfour

That build will work but personally I'd really, really, really try to save 20 pounds so you can get a i3-2100 and a really cheap H61 motherboard. What you are missing out on is around 15 whole FPS, which needless to say is a lot of performance when these low end CPUs are hovering around 30FPS average.

Your current resolution isn't so much an issue, Starcraft 2 is more CPU dependent than GPU dependent. Lowering the resolution will give your GPU breathing room but won't do anything to help your CPU. What's your budget?
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
May 09 2011 16:07 GMT
#5202
Thanks for going to the effort of putting this together, appreciated
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 16:47:06
May 09 2011 16:45 GMT
#5203
hello again, I wanted to thank everyone who helped me a few pages back. Ive been rummaging around trying to get something together and this is what I have so far :

AMD procesor Athlon II X2, 250, Socket AM3, 3.0GHz, Dual Core 75$

Asus Motherboard M4N68T-M LE, Socket AM3, nForce 630a, ATX/mATX/microATX 58$

Corsair RAM 4GB, DDR3, (2x2GB), 1600MHz 68$

VTX3D GPU ATI Radeon HD5570, 2GB, DDR3 90$

So, is there anything wrong or incompatible here ? Im not aiming for a beast of a computer, just something to run sc2 and LoL while skyping at a decent speed, some older games like stalker and oblivion, and maybe some newer games on low. If anything else would suit my needs for less money it would be awesome. Also would I be needing a new PSU for all this, my current one is NEON px-300 300w.

Once again thank you everyone for your help and keeping this thread so awesome.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 09 2011 17:31 GMT
#5204
@besiger

Buying 1600MHz memory when you are on such a low budget is definitely wrong. There is a very minor difference between 1333MHz and higher frequency memory as seen here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 4GB of memory should not cost anymore than $42 USD.

Why is the Radeon HD5570 so overpriced? A Radeon HD5670 (which is a better card) can be had for around $70.

Your power supply only has 18a on the 12v rails. It's bad and it'll work but I wouldn't trust my components with it.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
May 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#5205
I can get 4gb 1333 for about 50$, and I dont think I can do better on the price here. Also its 1x4 instead of 2x2, will that make much of a difference? im not quite sure in what instances is it better to have 2 ram modules like that instead of just 1.

For the card, on the sites of local dealers the HD5670 runs at about 100$ average. The prices here are really jacked up and I could do so much better if Newegg shipped to Croatia.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
May 09 2011 17:43 GMT
#5206
thanks skyR and GTR,

appreciate the feedback.

currently i am running a i5-2400k. not as good as the i5-2500k but i think the 560 will work well with this cpu. thanks im going with the 560 for sure!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 09 2011 17:43 GMT
#5207
Can you give a link to your retailer so that we can see if there are any better options for a graphics card?

1x4 instead of 2x2 difference is very minor in gaming just like with frequency and timings.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 09 2011 17:47 GMT
#5208
Gigabyte HD 5570 OC 1GB DDR3 - 50,98 €
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=43691&agid=1004

Kingston 2 x 2GB DDR3 RAM - 32,63 €
http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44139&agid=1192

Those prices are definitely better. If you can spare the money, a Core i3-2100 would be relevant for longer than an Athlon II X2. It also gives you better upgrade options in the future, since next year's Intel Ivy Bridge CPUs will also be on the same socket.
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
May 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#5209
@skyR

jeez thank you sir. you are too kind.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565&cm_re=560_ti-_-14-127-565-_-Product
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:57:21
May 09 2011 17:49 GMT
#5210
well I can give you the link, but its in Croatian, but if you want to try here it is

http://www.nabava.net/graficke-kartice__150 (this is something like ebay, bidding, so I dont know how relevant the prices will be)

HG spot

the exchange rate is about 1$ = 5.0 HRK
I guess il try to scrap together some more cash and get a corsair 430w PSU.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 09 2011 18:07 GMT
#5211
This is the card you're looking at correct for 438kn? http://www.hgspot.hr/57471/graficka-kartica-vtx3d-

I'd get this a GT 240 instead for the same price: http://www.hgspot.hr/62922/graficka-kartica-zotac-gf-gt240

Performance difference between the two can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2935/1
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 18:16:12
May 09 2011 18:15 GMT
#5212
at first I was going to go with

the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932&cm_re=sapphire_5850-_-14-102-932-_-Product, since the cpu is more expensive.

however, now I am looking at getting the i5-2400k and a GTX 560 for my gaming computer. If both of these computers come out to the same price (they pretty much do give or take ten bucks), what computer would you guys buy for streaming, sc2, and other games in the future?

skyR, which of these two computers is better in terms of gaming and fps? I want to make sure before I buy. Thanks.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 18:30:38
May 09 2011 18:28 GMT
#5213
You've already seen the performance difference between the 5850 and GTX 560 from my previous links. Now, here's an article showing the difference between the core i5 2300 2400 and 2500: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

The K suffix (ex. core i5 2500k) denotes an unlocked multiplier (used for overclocking) and a more powerful integrated graphics (which you'll never use). With the core i5 2500k, you'll be able to overclock to a frequency very close to 5GHz while a core i5 2400 has a restricted multiplier limiting you to only 3.8GHz.

Here's a review showing the benefits of overclocking and the performance difference between various frequencies (core i5 2500k at 3.3GHz, 4.3GHz, 4.7GHz): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect2

A core i5 2500k would be a better long term investment since the processor will become the bottleneck eventually and it's not as easy as replacing the processor (sometimes a new motherbooard and even new memory is required). Even though Intel said that Ivybridge (3rd Generation Core) processors are expected to be on the same socket, I wouldn't entirely trust them. A graphics card upgrade is just a simple swap out.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
May 09 2011 19:21 GMT
#5214
On May 10 2011 03:07 skyR wrote:
This is the card you're looking at correct for 438kn? http://www.hgspot.hr/57471/graficka-kartica-vtx3d-

I'd get this a GT 240 instead for the same price: http://www.hgspot.hr/62922/graficka-kartica-zotac-gf-gt240

Performance difference between the two can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2935/1


So if I get that card. the 1333 ram and a new PSU everything should be alright ? Thanks a lot for all the help.
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 09 2011 19:39 GMT
#5215
Yes.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
May 10 2011 00:30 GMT
#5216
Hey, I just received my 250 future shop gift card. With the AMD 7000 rumoured for june, july, I guess the best would be to wait and see if its good and if Futureshop get them in stock?
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 10 2011 00:54 GMT
#5217
On May 10 2011 03:15 Highlight wrote:
at first I was going to go with

the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932&cm_re=sapphire_5850-_-14-102-932-_-Product, since the cpu is more expensive.

however, now I am looking at getting the i5-2400k and a GTX 560 for my gaming computer. If both of these computers come out to the same price (they pretty much do give or take ten bucks), what computer would you guys buy for streaming, sc2, and other games in the future?

skyR, which of these two computers is better in terms of gaming and fps? I want to make sure before I buy. Thanks.



the two cores are similar and at their current settings you will not see a difference in performance. the two cards on the other hand...you will see a dramatic difference in playing games other than sc2. even in sc2 a 560 ti will perform better under heavy load, compared to the 5850. pretty much hands down.
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 01:11:53
May 10 2011 01:10 GMT
#5218
On May 10 2011 03:28 skyR wrote:
You've already seen the performance difference between the 5850 and GTX 560 from my previous links. Now, here's an article showing the difference between the core i5 2300 2400 and 2500: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_7.html#sect0

The K suffix (ex. core i5 2500k) denotes an unlocked multiplier (used for overclocking) and a more powerful integrated graphics (which you'll never use). With the core i5 2500k, you'll be able to overclock to a frequency very close to 5GHz while a core i5 2400 has a restricted multiplier limiting you to only 3.8GHz.

Here's a review showing the benefits of overclocking and the performance difference between various frequencies (core i5 2500k at 3.3GHz, 4.3GHz, 4.7GHz): http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x_9.html#sect2

A core i5 2500k would be a better long term investment since the processor will become the bottleneck eventually and it's not as easy as replacing the processor (sometimes a new motherbooard and even new memory is required). Even though Intel said that Ivybridge (3rd Generation Core) processors are expected to be on the same socket, I wouldn't entirely trust them. A graphics card upgrade is just a simple swap out.



thanks a lot for this. I think I will build a computer based around the i5-2500k and the Sapphire 5850.

just found a combo that is pretty darn cheap that includes the i5-2500k. I can also buy the Sapphire 5850 for $140 on a different site. Total comes to around $650. Still, I would like to spend less.

Before I buy can I get some advice? Any changes I should make? Sorry I am pretty new to this stuff.

Here is the combo build:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.644166


If I buy this combo will I be able to upgrade cards later on? Also, does the motherboard allow for dual video cards? I think it is called crossfire for ATI and sli for Nvidia. Later on I hope to add 8gb of ram and add two Nvidia video cards. I think this mobo allows for that. Thanks!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 10 2011 01:13 GMT
#5219
The motherboard only comes with 1 PCI-E x16 slot so no you cannot do SLI or CrossfireX.

It's a bad combo, you can do a lot better by purchasing components separately.
Highlight
Profile Joined April 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 01:25:31
May 10 2011 01:24 GMT
#5220
On May 10 2011 10:13 skyR wrote:
The motherboard only comes with 1 PCI-E x16 slot so no you cannot do SLI or CrossfireX.

It's a bad combo, you can do a lot better by purchasing components separately.


Thank you very much! could you help me put one together sir?
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