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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 30 2011 17:08 GMT
#4881
Gigabyte P67A-UD3 doesn't have UEFI, but I've seen one power on -> start loading Windows in like 5 seconds. I don't remember the exact time, but it wasn't noteworthy. I would just be sure to avoid the Asus P8P67 LE if you want to overclock based on this:
http://itshootout.com/r-353/asus-p8p67-le-motherboard-review/p/3/

OCZ StealthXStream II 500W is not bad at all. They skimp on cables in general in the SXS line--for example, the 500W version doesn't even come with two PCI-E power connectors. But the build quality and performance is good for something that cheap (but not particularly special in general). Apparently they are a decent improvement in reliability and specs over the original SXS, which were also manufactured by FSP (they're an OEM known for making things from bad to good). Keep in mind that it's not exactly a premium line or guaranteed to last a million years. What the other options?

I'd rather pay more for a better power supply than pay more for a motherboard with features I won't use. The Gigabyte P67A-UD3 or AsRock P67 Pro3 are known to overclock well enough and easily enough to reasonable levels like 4.6 GHz.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 30 2011 17:24 GMT
#4882
@SolvusAnima

I'd add in an SSD for around ~$200. Here are some options for SSDs (generally speaking: performance = OCZ, reliability = Intel):

Intel 320 Series 80GB @ $195
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167047

OCZ Vertex 2 120GB @ $210 ($180 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551

Inte 320 Series 120GB @ $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167050

I'd get a P67 motherboard and a Core i5 2500k along with a heatsink to be able to overclock. Overclocking on these processors are so easy, I'd learn how to do it if I were you (it's literally ~5 button pushes to get a 4.5ghz overclock). This would add $120 to your total.

Intel Core i5 2500k @ $225
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Asrock P67 Pro3 @ $130
http1:04 PM 30/04/2011://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230

Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 30 2011 17:53 GMT
#4883
Crucial C300 128GB was going for $200 earlier, but it's back to the normal price. Aside from the initial firmware issues near the launch, they seem to be doing fine. Currently the 320 series is overpriced at newegg. 80GB is supposed to be $159, with 120GB at $209. (for that matter, the Hyper 212+ at $35 is overpriced on newegg as well, almost to the point where I'd be looking at alternatives)

Here is the OEM Intel 320 80GB for $160 shipped (it just doesn't have a pretty box, SATA cable, drive bay adapter, etc., actual drive itself is the same):
http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-ssdsa2cw080g310-320-series-80gb-solid-state-drive-oem-box/q/loc/101/220601170.html

Note that you can natively install 2.5" drives like those SSDs in the HAF 912, so you don't need a drive bay adapter. I'd go with the above.

AsRock P67 Pro3 only comes with 2 SATA cables, so you'd need another though. You can find them about anywhere for cheap.
http://www.buy.com/prod/sata-serial-ata-data-transfer-cable-1-5-ft/q/loc/111/210742812.html
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 18:08:42
April 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#4884
Quick question not worthy of a new thread, what is the difference between these two besides the size and ports?

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57362

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=59008

The cards in question are both evga gtx 570s.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 18:17:41
April 30 2011 18:13 GMT
#4885
The first one looks like the reference design with the reference cooling solution, though IIRC EVGA always uses reference design boards. (edit: though wait, the second card is shorter and thus doesn't use the reference PCB?) That blower design is fairly good at blowing most the heat down the length of the card under the shroud and out the vents and out of your case.

The second one has a fan a little left of center. Generally such a fan placed there is quieter than the reference blower design, but it will expel a lot of the heat back into the case in addition to some out the back of the case. If you have a reasonably well-ventilated case and do not plan on going SLI, this is probably the one you want if you care about noise over slightly heating up the rest of your computer.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 18:14:28
April 30 2011 18:13 GMT
#4886
Ninja'ed.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 30 2011 18:14 GMT
#4887
@SONE

The HD card has a displayport while the regular SC card does not.

The HD card also is smaller, has a center fan, and no vampor chamber.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
April 30 2011 18:21 GMT
#4888
Hmm. Yeah I looked at both and immediately was reminded of the 460 when I saw the smaller card and fan placement, and then I looked at the longer one and it looked like the older versions of vgas.

I rock my cosmos S currently with my evga gtx 280 at 100% fan speed, and have 6 120mm a 200mm so noise isn't that big a deal for me. Is that the only difference? The stock cooling design and the ports?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 30 2011 18:27 GMT
#4889
It's also shorter.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
April 30 2011 18:28 GMT
#4890
@.@ well yeah. I mentioned i knew that earlier! Ahh decisions.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 30 2011 18:31 GMT
#4891
Easy decision if you want lifetime warranty. The regular card for $340: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57361&promoid=1097
SolvusAnima
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 18:34:57
April 30 2011 18:33 GMT
#4892
@SkyR

I ran the set up you suggested by a friend of mine and this is what he said in regards to the PSU

"he'll need a better power supply as the minimum is 500w. Minimum 500W or greater system power supply (with a minimum 12V current rating of 30A."

Comments on this, SkyR D: ?
Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see reality.
SONE
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada839 Posts
April 30 2011 18:35 GMT
#4893
Pretty much what I was thinking, time to put down the 280(no problems with it, still has lifetime but I feel like I just want more). I hate MIRs though, it's like a lottery if I get them back or not.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 18:36:30
April 30 2011 18:36 GMT
#4894
@SolvusAnima

If your friend goes by the minimum recommended by the manufacturer. He is not very well-versed in computer hardware. The minimum recommended by manufacturers are a good margin above what is required to run the card because they have to take into account the generic low quality power supplies found in prebuilt Dells, HPs, etc and also take into consideration the billion of possible configurations.

An overclocked 2500k and GTX 560 will be around 300w or less on a gaming load.

You can see power consumption of the 2500k here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-2500-2400-2300_10.html#sect0 and the gtx 560 here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti_4.html

If he also looked at the power supply I recommended. It provides 34a on the 12v rails.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 30 2011 18:36 GMT
#4895
On May 01 2011 03:33 SolvusAnima wrote:
@SkyR

I ran the set up you suggested by a friend of mine and this is what he said in regards to the PSU

"he'll need a better power supply as the minimum is 500w. Minimum 500W or greater system power supply (with a minimum 12V current rating of 30A."

Comments on this, SkyR D


SkyR knows his poop. Your friend is probably using a bad PSU calculator that overestimates what you need to get you to pay more, like the newegg one. If you're unsure, plug the setup into here and check for yourself. A lot of people assume you need a higher overhead for degradation than you really do, as well.
SolvusAnima
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
April 30 2011 18:49 GMT
#4896
@SkyR

Thanks very much. My friend feels quite embarrassed after I told him what you said and will comment no further xD. Also, thank you very much for your suggestions.

@Myrmidon

Thank you for your comments as well! I didn't realize that some of those were directed at me, so I nearly overlooked them.

@JingleHell

Yeah, it really seems like SkyR really knows what he's talking about ^^. Never doubt TeamLiquid!!
Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes which see reality.
Malikari
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada45 Posts
April 30 2011 20:14 GMT
#4897
Hi everyone!

I posted a while back (Page 234) about getting my brother a new graphics card, and I settled on this:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131360

However, we got it, and it **just** barely doesn't fit!
I'm guessing since that it's an HP pre-built computer, they didn't account for leaving enough room for a graphics card? The issue is the length of the card, not the height =\

Any suggestions TL? Would a picture of the computer's innards with the card for reference help? Could I find a work-around, or should I go for an RMA?
"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#4898
It didn't fit? By how much? Could you post some pictures? Now I'm curious of the case dimensions.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 30 2011 20:25 GMT
#4899
Hard to imagine that stupid HP not leave enough room for one of the shortest cards available. Are you sure that there is nothing removable such as a drive bay or air duct?
Malikari
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 20:29:36
April 30 2011 20:28 GMT
#4900
Here, showing the mobo flush against the side of the case..
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

And here, showing the card trying to be in the case =[
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

Another concern is that is seems that even if it did fit length-wise, the bracket would prevent me from fully connecting the card. Frankly, I'm hoping that you can tell me I'm trying to connect it incorrectly, since this is my first time
"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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