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Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 01:24 GMT

#31261

7950's are cliffing in price because of 760 release, there's some silly deals around right now.

It's a pretty big upgrade so go for it if you want a GPU upgrade, i don't think it's anything super special though (maybe a little)

Dont do it just for LoL or sc2 though. LoL ran at ~350+fps start of game near max settings on my gtx260 and doesn't suffer performance-wise much at all compared to other games as game time increases, and i don't think Diablo 3 is particularly GPU bound or performance intensive?

XenOmega

Canada2822 Posts

June 28 2013 01:25 GMT

#31262

On June 28 2013 10:24 Cyro wrote:
7950's are cliffing in price because of 760 release, there's some silly deals around right now.

It's a pretty big upgrade so go for it if you want a GPU upgrade, i don't think it's anything super special though (maybe a little)

Dont do it just for LoL or sc2 though. LoL ran at ~350+fps start of game near max settings on my gtx260 and doesn't suffer performance-wise much at all compared to other games as game time increases, and i don't think Diablo 3 is particularly GPU bound or performance intensive?

Which is why I'm wondering : should I upgrade considering my current use (LoL and D3)?

Is the deal good enough? (Well I guess you answered it!)

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 01:32 GMT

#31263

Well, i don't know dollar price for midrange GPU's, i'd guess the 760 beats 7950 at stock but loses at overclocked, Nvidia has Shadowplay though. You should do some research to decide if it's a good deal if you want to upgrade, or maybe someone else can chime in here, but i wouldn't consider a GPU upgrade from a 5770 if LoL performance or sc2 FPS in mid-lategame concerns you, it'll hold its ground in both games, and i just dont remember d3 performing badly on my GPU (i used a 260 when i played it) so i don't think you'd see massive gains there either

Tomshardware bench shows ~69fps min on max settings with AA for 6770 (bit better card, i'm not sure how much) but also scaling almost entirely with GPU as long as you have a good CPU, i'd definately look at other components before upgrading GPU if you even do it at all for such games

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

June 28 2013 01:33 GMT

#31264

Well I ordered my computer today.

Intel i5 4670k
Gigabyte Z87X-D3H
Mushkin Blackline Frostbyte 16gb 2x8gb
Seagate Barracuda 2TB
Gigabyte GTX 760 OC
Noctua NH-U14S
ASUS CD/DVD drive
Fractal Design Define R4 w/ Window Titanium (Didn't plan on window but the sale was too good to pass up)
Seasonic G Series 450W PSU

Total Cost: ~$1080 CAD before tax and other fees.

Didn't get the SSD since it was out of stock but I can pick that up from memory express if NCIX doesn't have it back in a few days, bringing the total cost up to ~1350 before tax.

Only problem that I can forsee is that noctua fans don't go well with any other component in a reasonable computer, (esp since I wasn't planning on getting a windowed case) but oh well.

Phoobie

Canada120 Posts

June 28 2013 01:33 GMT

#31265

Hello, My friend and I are each looking to build a high quality gaming PC at a good price. For a little context, I'm looking to upgrade from my 5 year old labtop (who's LCD screen started fading the other day D: ) and am looking for a build that can easily run high end games at max setting with the internet, skype and music running in the backround. Here is what we currently have setup (haven't ordered the parts yet)

Case: $108.99
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0

Hard Drive: $88.99
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

PSU: $79.99
Thermaltake SMART Series SP-750PCBUS 750W ATX 12V 2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Ram: $122.49
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL

Motherboard: $237.99
ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU: $234.99
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)

SSD: $109.99
SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Video Card: $284.99
MSI N660TI PE 2GD5 GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Total Cost comes to ~$1250 which is within budget.

Before I make the order I would like some general feedback on the build; I've thought of overclocking the CPU to 3.8 and adding a COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO to the order for additional cooling. Also, is the PSU I have here sufficient? is it worthwhile to add $100 for an Antec 80+ gold certified?

Edit: individual prices Added

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 01:45 GMT

#31266

You should get a PSU like the corsair cx430 or rosewill capstone 450 (80+ bronze and gold, respectively) depending on how much you want to spend on it.

Your CPU is last gen, motherboard to go with it last gen too, but that's overspending a bunch on motherboard. Z-series boards are for overclocking, and you should either get a decent cpu cooler and overclock to the 4.2-4.6ghz range, or go for a cheaper board and locked CPU. The Hyper 212 is a low end cooler, and it's my opinion that spending so little in this area is just wasting money that you spend on the overclocking board and k-series cpu etc, because you can't really start to utilize them with a low end cooler on the current gen (haswell and ivy bridge) hot CPU's.

Graphics card is also last gen, i'm not sure if 660ti is optimal right now.

CPU:
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)

I've thought of overclocking the CPU to 3.8

See that turbo? It'll run at 3.6-3.7ghz 24/7 under 4 core load or around that - on stock settings. 3.8 is not an overclock (:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231585

^This ram is a steal no matter what you are doing if performance at all concerns you, $72 for 8gb 2400mhz cas10 RAM. It'll give as much as 10% performance gains in many cases over 1600mhz RAM, while you can some low priced kits on offer like this, it's almost free

Ata

Canada356 Posts

June 28 2013 01:46 GMT

#31267

Its hard to give feedback when you are not providing us with prices.

That being said,
RAM: you will not need 16GB of ram for gaming and other things you mentioned. 8GB will do
Case: can probably get better at that price point
HD: you dont need a WD black when you are getting a SSD. (lots of specials at ncix this week)
PSU: overkill in watts, dont know about quality
Motherboard: Overkill for so little oc
CPU: good
SSD: good
GPU: 760 (might wanna consider it if you didnt know) is out and 7950s come with like 4-5 games.

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

June 28 2013 01:46 GMT

#31268

On June 28 2013 10:33 Phoobie wrote:
Hello, My friend and I are each looking to build a high quality gaming PC at a good price. For a little context, I'm looking to upgrade from my 5 year old labtop (who's LCD screen started fading the other day D: ) and am looking for a build that can easily run high end games at max setting with the internet, skype and music running in the backround. Here is what we currently have setup (haven't ordered the parts yet)
-snip-

I'd recommend looking at my post above yours as a starting point for parts. You shouldn't be able to get the same pricing as me but you can get within a hundred bucks or so if you pricematch.

I'd recommend grabbing the fractal R4 that's on sale rather than the antec 900. Much classier and cheaper to boot.

There's little reason to get a 660 ti when you can grab a 760 for around the same price. I'd also highly recommend going down to a 450-550w PSU. 450W is enough for the system I'm building which is largely similar to yours.

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

June 28 2013 01:49 GMT

#31269

Ya, just repeating what everyone else says. It's not an optimal build.

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 01:50 GMT

#31270

Good starting build above as said.

Once you have OC i5 if you want to spend more you can throw it on GPU for further upgrades

Ata

Canada356 Posts

June 28 2013 01:52 GMT

#31271

On June 28 2013 10:25 XenOmega wrote:

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Which is why I'm wondering : should I upgrade considering my current use (LoL and D3)?

Is the deal good enough? (Well I guess you answered it!)

I wouldnt, by the time you need more performance, you can get more power with $270 or whatever it was and on top of that you can wait a week or 2 for a nice deal.

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 02:10 GMT

#31272

This makes me so mad. Please don't put any faith in anything that Toms or Anand says about Haswell, anybody who actually knows what they are doing would walk all over them.

Phoobie

Canada120 Posts

June 28 2013 02:14 GMT

#31273

Hehe, i'm definately a nooby when it comes to building a PC, this will actually be the first time I do it, i will have help but i'm still a little nervous, taking from your suggestions; i can swap the PSU with a Rosewill CAPSTONE-450 450W and save $10, and swap the ram for the G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 8GB and save another $42.50 while still providing sufficient ram and a good quality PSU.

On the topic of overclocking; If decided to go for a locked motherboard and run at the 3.8 clock speed could I still run max setting in 1080p comfortably or would I need to invest in a z series board, heat sink and over clock to the mentioned 4.2-4.6 range?

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 02:21 GMT

#31274

Depends what you're playing.

In Starcraft 2 for example, which is extremely CPU bound but scales great, i took a benchmarked 23fps minimum (3.6ghz core, 1600mhz ram) to 38fps (4.7ghz core, 2400mhz ram) which is a really insane performance gap. Quite a few other games, league of legends (aparantly, well my FPS doubled when i upgraded cpu, so..), planetside 2's, guild wars 2, skyrim, shogun?, sc2 etc (off the top of my head) scale pretty hard with CPU, you can get real gains from overclocking. It's also just a great thing to do, once you pass a certain system value.

For many games, GPU strengh is really important and CPU does very little. If you play specifically those ones, then it might be better to throw money towards that next step up in GPU, instead, but it's hard to justify not CPU overclocking once your each a certain budget though, where you can buy a mid range graphics card already and can afford to spend out on parts in general.

Battlefield 4 for example, heavily reliant on CPU, it's not a world of "gaming is all about GPU" like some people (particularly, AMD fanboys) like to use as justification for having significantly weaker CPU than you could have

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

June 28 2013 02:24 GMT

#31275

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

June 28 2013 02:27 GMT

#31276

On June 28 2013 11:10 Cyro wrote:
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This makes me so mad. Please don't put any faith in anything that Toms or Anand says about Haswell, anybody who actually knows what they are doing would walk all over them.

What's more laughable is that for the ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI board they used that good 4770k and for the ASRock they used a dog.

Also their 'stability' test only involves passing PovRay and OCCT.

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 02:30 GMT

#31277

On June 28 2013 11:27 iTzSnypah wrote:

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What's more laughable is that for the ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI board they used that good 4770k and for the ASRock they used a dog.

Also their 'stability' test only involves passing PovRay and OCCT.

The VRIN, the VRIN, why...

The fact that they forced at least one terrible setting (it specifically says in the uefi NOT to do that) on the ud3h while leaving the settings that they crippled the board with on auto for at least one other one (i closed before even looking at the others) completely invalidates the entire article (aside from facts about features etc) before even considering how they stability tested

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 02:35 GMT

#31278

+1 for this, grab a gtx770 if you want to upgrade further, it's the next logical step up (big increase in GPU strengh, 1536 cores on it instead of 1152 of the 760, faster memory too) I have the Gigabyte Windforce model and it's really really great, but i can't really compare it to others. I picked it out of crowd and it definitely lives up to promise, but it's probably more expensive than some other models if you don't get a deal on it like i did

Oh, and somebody please shoot whichever dude was in charge of setting the PC version of Crysis 3 to 55 FOV (literally 55, no shitting is being done here) unless you google the console command to set it to the absolute max of 80 FOV, thanks (:

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

June 28 2013 02:41 GMT

#31279

On June 28 2013 11:30 Cyro wrote:

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He started overclocking with the ASUS board and all the Automatic OC's used 1.65v VRIN (ASUS board had the highest 'stable' auto OC's) so he just went with that.

I seriously think ASUS is paying anandtech to give favorable/recommended reviews. Have you noticed that ASUS always get silver/gold awards regardless?

Cyro

United Kingdom20338 Posts

June 28 2013 02:46 GMT

#31280

1.65vrin is ridiculous it states in the ud3h bios and pretty much everywhere to keep a delta of 0.4v or more over vcore with VRIN. On ud3h at ~1.21vcore, i get best results with ~1.85vrin and by the time you go anywhere near 1.4vcore you should be at 2v (with a 0.6 delta) not at 1.65v with a 0.25v delta.

Look at Vcore set in bios vs load vcore in the pic:

1.00v, 1.008v
1.1v, 1.104v
1.175v, 1.176v
^vrin should have been raised significantly already

1.425, 1.368 - 0.057vcore droop. NOT supposed to happen under any circumstances with Haswell, Anyone who has any idea what they are doing (or skimmed one of a few good guides at literally any point in the last week and a half) wouldn't make such a fatal mistake with one of the most important voltages, VRIN is haswell 101

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