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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
I fixed that temperature problem by putting a large fan inside the 5.25" drive cage at the front top of the case. It's getting fresh air into the half of the case with the CPU instead of the GPU half. I could imagine this won't work as well for you because of that outtake fan sucking some of that fresh air out before it can get to the CPU cooler. Does your graphics card work at x16 speed in that bottom expansion slot? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
It's not the bottom expansion slot. Bottom of the 2 main PCI-E slots maybe?  Ud3h supports two-way sli x8/x8* using slots 2 and 4 i think (the big pci-e slots) the first one is just right up close to the CPU cooler, as you can see. I didn't try to put it in thereI'm not sure if the second supports x16. I know the first supports x16 and that both of them used in conjunction run x8x8 - I don't know if the second as a standalone runs x16 instead of x8. It's PCI-E 3.0 - does it matter? Any intake to the front top would be good, the air around the CPU cooler is 10c hotter than room air when GPU and CPU are loaded up for 5 minutes+. Actually i'd like to measure exactly, temps at intake vs exhaust *And aparantly 3-way crossfire x8x8 + 2.0x4? I have no idea how i'd fit those in. | ||
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FryBender
United States290 Posts
I've got a problem that I'm hoping TL can help with. My wife will need to build a "supercomputer" for her work. The problem is she has to spend her own money doing this (it's a long story). So money is slightly an issue but performance is still the top priority. Our budget is 6K-8K (would be nice to get it all done for 6K but 10K is acceptable as well). This needs to have as fast a processing speed as humanely possible (on that budget). We were thinking of 2xXeon 8-Core combined with 64-256gb of ram. We need highly demanding processing and memory jobs to run as efficiently as possible with today's technology. So any help or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. One question that came up while doing our research: is it possible to have more than 16 cores (2x8 Xeon Cores) on one motherboard? Also, we are ok with buying any pre-made commercial machines. Thank you for all your help in advance. As a recap to our inquiry: What is your budget? 6-10K What is your resolution? It won't matter. What are you using it for? Unix jobs requiring demanding CPU/Memory performance. What is your upgrade cycle? Would like to use 3 years+. When do you plan on building it? In 1-2 weeks. Do you plan on overclocking? Perhaps, if that would help in your view. Do you need an Operating System? We'll use a Linux OS. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. Where are you buying your parts from? Anywhere online. We're located in the U.S. We can drive 2 hours to a Fry's if it is worth it. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Looks like quad Sandy Bridge-EP is out of the budget. Yes, there exist quad-socket LGA 2011 motherboards. So rather than 4x E5-46xx, it'll be 2x E5-26xx (e.g. E5-2687). So how much RAM do you need? I don't even want to think about the cost of 16x 8GB ECC models. Say $2500? Does storage / I/O performance need to be any good? How much disk space is needed? | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Lets say a CPU dies. If you built the computer yourself you would need to order a new one the wait a week for it to show up. That's a week of productivity down the drain and however much it costs for the CPU. If you bought one from a manufacturer you will have a new CPU by the next day for free. Time is money you know... | ||
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FryBender
United States290 Posts
On June 29 2013 22:55 Myrmidon wrote: AMD has up to 8 modules (16 integer cores). Intel has 10 cores on the old Westmere-EX, but 8 cores on Sandy Bridge-EP is probably better. And it's better than those 16-core AMD Opertons (see here). Too bad Ivy Bridge-based 10 and 12 core Xeon models will be later in the year. Looks like quad Sandy Bridge-EP is out of the budget. Yes, there exist quad-socket LGA 2011 motherboards. So rather than 4x E5-46xx, it'll be 2x E5-26xx (e.g. E5-2687). So how much RAM do you need? I don't even want to think about the cost of 16x 8GB ECC models. Say $2500? Does storage / I/O performance need to be any good? How much disk space is needed? Thank you for your suggestions. We were looking at the 2x E5-2687W. We need at least 64 GB of RAM, but were hoping to have more as the budget allows (up to ~100-200 GB....some of the jobs require that much memory and it would be nice to do them it on this machine if possible). As for disk space, we need at least 4TB, and yes, I/O performance needs to be good (within the budget). Uh I wouldn't build a high end workstation. I would buy one from a manufacturer. Lets say a CPU dies. If you built the computer yourself you would need to order a new one the wait a week for it to show up. That's a week of productivity down the drain and however much it costs for the CPU. If you bought one from a manufacturer you will have a new CPU by the next day for free. Time is money you know... Good point about replacing hardware failures. Is there a manufacturer that you'd recommend. We've compared Mac Pros, Dell, and HP. The prices are about the same between their systems. Also, we are ok with used systems coming from trusted vendors if that would be cheaper. | ||
Sigrun
United States1655 Posts
Looking on Amazon, APC or CyberPower ones seem to be the only choices, so I'm guessing either one will do? Thanks in advance! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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georgehabadasher
Taiwan23 Posts
Motherboard: Asus p5n-d DVD Drive: HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22NS30 CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 2.53GHz GPU: GeForce gtx 560ti RAM: 4 GB HDD: WD2500AAJB and WD5000AAKS PSU: 500W I'd love to use any of these components if they won't bottleneck my new computer. Budget: $600-$1000. I'm looking to spend about $800, but that can shift either way if I can get significantly more value for my dollar. Resolution: 1920x1080 Usage: I'll be using it almost exclusively for gaming. Upgrade cycle: I'd like to leave it alone for the next 2-3 years. When?: I'll be ordering the parts as soon as I have a good idea of what I need. Overclocking: No. Operating System: Already have one. SLI or Crossfire: Not really sure if that's viable given my budget. I'll defer to the TL's collective judgement. I'd prefer to buy the parts online, but there is a Microcenter I can go to if there is a significant savings. Thanks! | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
what is my budget? 1000$ max, but preferably less than $700-800. Im not sure how much what I want actually should cost. what is my resolution? Im not even sure how to determine this, I have a 17inch monitor which I will use with the new computer. what am I using it for? Mainly playing sc2/hots/BW while streaming and playing music. general internet use and watching movie etc ofc what is my upgrade cycle? I prefer not to upgrade it for a long time and I dont see my needs changing in the near future. Ive had my current computer for about 5years. I just want to buy it and then not have to fuck with it anymore lol when do I plan on building it? Now, although im not sure I want to build a computer in the first place, Id like a comparison between custom build vs premade. Ive never built a computer and not sure how it works exactly do you plan on overclocking? No, i dont know how to overclock and would like my computer to be able to suit my needs without messing with that kind of stuff. do you need an operating system? Yes, windows 7 or 8 look good. All the models in store ive seen use windows 8, but Ive been out of the loop and dont have a lot of trust for windows OS after XP. Is windows 8 good for gaming? Ive heard rumors about some OS not working properly with BW, such as vista. do you plan to add a second GPU etc? No, i dont know what that is or why I would want to do it. where are you buying your parts from? Online, unless there is a place in Calgary, Alberta that can do it for me. I looked around at some computers today in stores and was recommended this computer http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/asus-asus-cm6870-desktop-computer-intel-core-i7-3770-2tb-hdd-16gb-ram-windows-8-cm6870-ca010s/10238824.aspx?path=20d3e53709f74f31bd77abd935b56ea9en02&SearchPageIndex=1 (with a 3gb nvidia geforce gt 640 dedicated video card) for $919 like on the website. Is this a good deal, will it suit my needs? for streaming and playing at the same time, what do I need? Ive also heard that my internet connection can be a limiting factor, how do I tell/improve this? Thanks in advance guys! | ||
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Introvert
United States4866 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:30 georgehabadasher wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey TL, I'm looking to upgrade my computer! Currently I have the following specs: Motherboard: Asus p5n-d DVD Drive: HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH22NS30 CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 2.53GHz GPU: GeForce gtx 560ti RAM: 4 GB HDD: WD2500AAJB and WD5000AAKS PSU: 500W I'd love to use any of these components if they won't bottleneck my new computer. Budget: $600-$1000. I'm looking to spend about $800, but that can shift either way if I can get significantly more value for my dollar. Resolution: 1920x1080 Usage: I'll be using it almost exclusively for gaming. Upgrade cycle: I'd like to leave it alone for the next 2-3 years. When?: I'll be ordering the parts as soon as I have a good idea of what I need. Overclocking: No. Operating System: Already have one. SLI or Crossfire: Not really sure if that's viable given my budget. I'll defer to the TL's collective judgement. I'd prefer to buy the parts online, but there is a Microcenter I can go to if there is a significant savings. Thanks! What is the specific power supply you have? And case? You may be able to re-use that too. GTX 560 Ti is still okay and can be re-used if you don't play any of the newer games or don't mind playing at a lower setting than the highest. The HDDs can be carried over to be used as storage drives. For a boot drive, you'd want to pick up a Samsung 840, which will most likely be the least expensive at Microcenter, 120gb for $80 and 250gb for $160. DVD drive can be used again. You'll need to pick up new RAM. Here's a 2x4gb kit for $53: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543 Core i5 4570 @ $160 from Microcenter Asrock H87M Pro for $78 from Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157384 or you can pick up another H87 or B85 motherboard from Microcenter for less, maybe get them to pricematch Newegg? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:44 Introvert wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I've heard some stuff about new processors being on the way. Is it smart right now to wait and see what comes out (when is this expected?) or is better to buy current items with summer deals right now. Sorry this is such a general question, but I have a decent amount of cash to spend on a CPU/Motherboard, so my current rig doesn't really matter (I don't think). I just want to know if there is a time frame, and if the next set of CPUs are a substantial upgrade. You need to be more specific... what new processors are you talking about? Intel has already released their 4th Generation Core i5 and i7 processors, codenamed Haswell. The lower-end 4th Generation Core i3, Pentium, and Celeron processors are being released in September. Ivybridge-E will be coming at the end of the year. Broadwell is expected to be delayed until 2015. So if you're a mainstream user then this is the best time as any to buy. | ||
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Introvert
United States4866 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:59 skyR wrote: You need to be more specific... what new processors are you talking about? Intel has already released their 4th Generation Core i5 and i7 processors, codenamed Haswell. The lower-end 4th Generation Core i3, Pentium, and Celeron processors are being released in September. Ivybridge-E will be coming at the end of the year. Broadwell is expected to be delayed until 2015. So if you're a mainstream user then this is the best time as any to buy. I guess the ones you mentioned are what I meant. Haswell is what I was thinking of. Does it appear that Ivybridge-E will be worth it? Or would it be overkill for a normal user like myself? I would like to play current games and futures games relatively well, and not have to worry for a while. I ask this because I have a significant amount of cash at this moment to drop on upgrades, so I want to be well off for a number of years, before my expenses increase. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:40 FyRe_DragOn wrote:+ Show Spoiler + OK I hope the TL computer gurus can help me out here, im very uneducated on this kind of thing and am looking to inform myself before purchasing a new computer. what is my budget? 1000$ max, but preferably less than $700-800. Im not sure how much what I want actually should cost. what is my resolution? Im not even sure how to determine this, I have a 17inch monitor which I will use with the new computer. what am I using it for? Mainly playing sc2/hots/BW while streaming and playing music. general internet use and watching movie etc ofc what is my upgrade cycle? I prefer not to upgrade it for a long time and I dont see my needs changing in the near future. Ive had my current computer for about 5years. I just want to buy it and then not have to fuck with it anymore lol when do I plan on building it? Now, although im not sure I want to build a computer in the first place, Id like a comparison between custom build vs premade. Ive never built a computer and not sure how it works exactly do you plan on overclocking? No, i dont know how to overclock and would like my computer to be able to suit my needs without messing with that kind of stuff. do you need an operating system? Yes, windows 7 or 8 look good. All the models in store ive seen use windows 8, but Ive been out of the loop and dont have a lot of trust for windows OS after XP. Is windows 8 good for gaming? Ive heard rumors about some OS not working properly with BW, such as vista. do you plan to add a second GPU etc? No, i dont know what that is or why I would want to do it. where are you buying your parts from? Online, unless there is a place in Calgary, Alberta that can do it for me. I looked around at some computers today in stores and was recommended this computer http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/asus-asus-cm6870-desktop-computer-intel-core-i7-3770-2tb-hdd-16gb-ram-windows-8-cm6870-ca010s/10238824.aspx?path=20d3e53709f74f31bd77abd935b56ea9en02&SearchPageIndex=1 (with a 3gb nvidia geforce gt 640 dedicated video card) for $919 like on the website. Is this a good deal, will it suit my needs? for streaming and playing at the same time, what do I need? Ive also heard that my internet connection can be a limiting factor, how do I tell/improve this? Thanks in advance guys! The resolution is the number of horizontal x vertical pixels. If you go to Control Panel > Appearance & Personalization > Display then it should tell you. But a 17" monitor is ancient and they typically have something like 1280x1024 or 1024x768. Yes, your internet connection can be the limiting factor for streaming. You need 2Mbps or higher upload to stream comfortably. There is zero reason to buy a prebuilt in Canada unless its on a massive sale or its a basic computer for email / Facebook. Nearly all the Canadian electronic retailers pricematch and offer the option to build the computer for you at a small fee. NCIX does it for $50 and Memory Express does it. The ASUS computer has a low-end graphics card so it is not suited for gaming but Starcraft II isn't graphically demanding and your resolution is shit so it may be able to run the game on low settings. Both the core i7 and 16gb of memory is unnecessary for gaming. As well as the Blu-ray drive unless you actually do play Blu-ray on your PC which I doubt you do. You can get something better built for you at the same price. A configuration made not too long ago, only $1157 and its significantly better than that prebuilt. if you remove the SSD, it actually comes out to only $50 more then your prebuilt. If you remove the ability to overclock than it would end up being almost $100 less expensive while still being better. And since you've mentioned you're only interested in playing old games then a GTX 760 is not necessary so you can get a lower-end card at ~$120 which would still max Starcraft II at 1080p, this would take off another ~$150. This is rather a very good build so there's a lot of stuff you can make cheaper and as sad as it is, it'll still be better than the prebuilt. + Show Spoiler [$1157 configuration] + Core i5 4670k @ $232 (pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=81327&promoid=1316 ) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429 Gigabyte Z87X-D3H @ $134 (pricematch with http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=84040&promoid=1316 ) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46023 Fractal Design Define R4 @ $80 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX40048 Corsair Vengeance 2x4gb @ $60 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345 ) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34050 Gigabyte GTX 760 @ $270 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125466 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=85587 Noctua NH-U12S @ $63 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608040 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=82801 Seasonic G 450 @ $80 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124 ) http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=76941 Samsung 840 250gb @ $174 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189 ) http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX43341 Western Digital Blue 1TB @ $64 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 ) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402 | ||
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Introvert
United States4866 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:23 Cyro wrote: -E is for Enthusiast. Unless you're an overclocker and want more than 4 cores and dont mind spending a TON more and sacrificing singlethreaded performance, there's no reason to get it. It doesn't really make sense from a gaming standpoint unless you are spending a crapton on like 3-4 GPU setup because you're sacrificing singlethreaded performance for multi (haswell quad core vastly outperforms sandy/ivy bridge 6-core in sc2 for example) Looks like i7 it is then. I'm a chemistry major, not a computer guy, so this is all quite foreign to me. Thanks for the help, both of you! | ||
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georgehabadasher
Taiwan23 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:55 skyR wrote: What is the specific power supply you have? And case? You may be able to re-use that too. GTX 560 Ti is still okay and can be re-used if you don't play any of the newer games or don't mind playing at a lower setting than the highest. The HDDs can be carried over to be used as storage drives. For a boot drive, you'd want to pick up a Samsung 840, which will most likely be the least expensive at Microcenter, 120gb for $80 and 250gb for $160. DVD drive can be used again. You'll need to pick up new RAM. Here's a 2x4gb kit for $53: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543 Core i5 4570 @ $160 from Microcenter Asrock H87M Pro for $78 from Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157384 or you can pick up another H87 or B85 motherboard from Microcenter for less, maybe get them to pricematch Newegg? The power supply is Antec Earthwatts EA-500D. I'm not sure what my case is, do you know any way to find out? I can't seem to find a model number anywhere. How is the GTX 560ti likely to hold up for future games? I'll definately want to be playing some new releases over the next few years, and since the running total is under $400, so I've got room in the budget for a graphics card if it'll make a noticeable difference. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
For newer games like for example Bioshock Infinite on the highest settings with AA at 1080p, a GTX 560 Ti would not hold up very well so you'd most likely want to upgrade it. Something like a GTX 760 or 770 would both be significant upgrades from the GTX 560 Ti. A GPU is rather easy to install so you may just want to keep it for now and upgrade when its needed unless you're already unsatisfied with the performance of a GTX 560 Ti. | ||
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georgehabadasher
Taiwan23 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:42 skyR wrote: The Earthwatts will be able to be re-used. Your case is most likely good seeing as how you have a good power supply? If you're fine with how it looks, its airflow, and its noise level then there's little reason to get a new case. If you want to know the case model then the best thing to do is to look for a brand name printed on the front of the case and then search that name on Newegg and look for a case that looks like it. Or just take a picture and we'd be able to tell you. For newer games like for example Bioshock Infinite on the highest settings with AA at 1080p, a GTX 560 Ti would not hold up very well so you'd most likely want to upgrade it. Something like a GTX 760 or 770 would both be significant upgrades from the GTX 560 Ti. A GPU is rather easy to install so you may just want to keep it for now and upgrade when its needed unless you're already unsatisfied with the performance of a GTX 560 Ti. Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. | ||
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