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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If you're gaming on a 60 Hz 1920x1080 monitor, I'd say to drop the second GTX 660 and get a cheaper power supply. That brings it under €1000 then. That's just a general suggestion. There are some other small things, and I'd want to check out other parts' prices if you're sure you're going to buy now. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 13 2013 22:44 Myrmidon wrote: Some CAD operations are not threaded that well (i5 a lot better). Others are (in some cases, FX better but probably similar or a bit worse if you overclock both). I don't think the games you listed are that heavy on the CPU, so maybe an FX-8320 wouldn't be a problem, though I wouldn't advise switching. If you're gaming on a 60 Hz 1920x1080 monitor, I'd say to drop the second GTX 660 and get a cheaper power supply. That brings it under €1000 then. That's just a general suggestion. There are some other small things, and I'd want to check out other parts' prices if you're sure you're going to buy now. I'm definitely going to buy before august, but I don't know exactly when. And yes I will be gaming on that monitor. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind  | ||
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heythere
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On May 13 2013 22:29 Doctorbeat wrote: Bamp. Have designed a rig, but it's a little over budget. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mCzVvBm.png) Total price would be €1147.07 Someone I know told me to ditch the cpu cooler, switch out the i5 for a fx-8320, the mobo for ASUS M5A97 R2.0 and the Samsung SSD for a Sandisk ready-cache ssd. Those changes would get me to within 1k. I don't know much about the AMD cpu's or the Sandisk ssd, do these changes make sense? With CAD programs it is possibly worth getting a workstation graphics card, GTX560 caused many glitching and slowness problems for me, went over to a quadro 600 and CAD was greatly improved. But it depends on the software, I was using Topsolid. Something to think about. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
I need suggestions for a motherboard, graphics card and cpu and a cooling system. I mainly want to run battlefield 3 at 1680x1050 at high settings with 50+ fps so far I have this video card in mind http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Express-Graphics-R7870-2GD5T-OC/dp/B00BANKXFI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2ZY51X0JNCJC5&coliid=I1D797OGQPQU6 and I don't know if this is any good for a cpu http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-FX-Series-Processor/dp/B009O7YUF6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2ZY51X0JNCJC5&coliid=IEC2PFJACCIQN thank you for your support | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:53 llIH wrote: Hello again... I am still confused what to do. I need to ask how much I will need to invest to get enough performance. Here is my story: Basicaly my parents can buy me a laptop. No they will not buy me a desktop. But I want it to perform "ok" or good enough to play games. But of course not at all close enough to a desktop. I will only use it in holidays. What I want: Sc2 @ 60fps low settings 1920x1080 - 15" or 17" That said. I want to get something as cheap as possible to be nice to my parents. But at the same time the laptop must be good enough to practice sc2 and also DotA2 + Heroes of Newerth. I play every game on LOW settings. I hate blurr and effects. I am just for the game. (retired cs:s pro) the CPU is the main focus. Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Anyone? | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009K1PY4W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0E1K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008KW62WA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:26 leo23 wrote: So this is what I'm buying http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009K1PY4W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SZ0E1K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008KW62WA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER Is there a reason why you're buying from Amazon and not Newegg? Like, you can get a Twin Frozr II model for $195, $175 after mail in rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127699 The G41 board isn't very good and Newegg has 15% off on a few boards like the Asrock Z77 Pro4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157296 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The discussion in this thread could maybe help you to decide on what to buy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412231 You'll probably want something with i5 CPU because of SC2. I don't know if you can save money by buying something that only has the integrated graphics of the i5 and still have games run with smooth fps on low graphics. You should probably still choose something with a dedicated GPU. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I don't know about the US but at least in Europe there's some companies with really good prebuilt computers around that price range. I really don't see why there wouldn't be any in the US. An example here: http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming Range/Next Day Gaming PCs/Gladiator HD-3220 Ivy Bridge Dual-Core Next Day Gaming PC ?productId=53184 (yes I know it's significantly over 500$ but then again US doesn't have VAT) | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
It seems like you could get away with waiting for haswell and just getting an integrated quad core model. That shouldn't be super expensive, plus you have the potential for better battery life I think. Maybe not so much on the quad cores, but it's possible. That said, are mobile quad cores launching later than June? I know Intel delayed the release of dual core desktop parts and some kind of laptop part, but I don't remember what (for ivy bridge). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I don't even know where you are from. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314016 Something like this would be what I'd buy if I had to buy one right now and if it was from that store(too lazy to check others), even though it's Acer. That graphics card is really good for that price, destroying all those games on low. By the way, 1080p for such a small screen isn't really a good idea in my opinion. It becomes tough to see and you'll require an increasingly powerful graphics card as well. However, that laptop can play SC2 on low on an external 1080p screen if need be. | ||
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United States163 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Questions Budget: $900 (but I don't need to spend this much) Resolution: 1920x1080 Use: Starcraft 2, I think games are going to be the most difficult things I need to run. I hope to run recent games without having to turn the graphics all the way down. Upgrade Cycle: Until it breaks or is considerably obsolete. When: Soon, last time I took the advice and bought a hard drive after the prices went back down, I'd do so again, but I hope to get something running in two weeks. Overclock: I'm staying away from anything involving voltages, but if it is cost efficient to get something cheaper that can be overclocked easily, I would be interested. Need OS: Nope. Second GPU: No, I think that's out of my price range, and I'm not looking for anything that powerful. Locations: I have access to a Micro Center, but it is not very convenient. Would rather spend a little more if I know it's available online. Parts List (scavenged a little from old build and a lot from recommended stuff in recent pages. Some of it may be horribly out of date and also copied from an old thread) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz77d3h $112.99 Processor: Intel Core i5-3750K http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i53570k $229.99 CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 $23.99 Graphics Card: PowerColor AX7750 2GBK3-H http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-ax77502gbk3h $94.99 Ram got more expensive I think :/ RAM: Pareema 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576003 $34.99 Hard Drive: HITACHI HDS721050CLA362 (0F10381) 500GB 7200 RPM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299 $54.99 Case: Antec NEW SOLUTION SERIES VSK-3000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129186 $34.99 or if that one is bad, what is this I hear about usb 3.0? Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Steel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018 $59.99 Power Supply: Corsair CX430M http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx430m $49.99 Love this monitor. Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 21.5" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009316 $109.99 Total: $771.91 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
It's an overclocking setup though (k cpu, decent motherboard, hyper212+) so i'd say to invest in a better CPU cooler if you are overclocking, they often make like 300-400mhz difference over low end. Haswell CPU's release in ~2.5 weeks though so it's probably a bad idea to get ivy bridge and z77 | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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United States163 Posts
On May 15 2013 23:33 Cyro wrote: Looks good, you should consider 120gb SSD It's an overclocking setup though (k cpu, decent motherboard, hyper212+) so i'd say to invest in a better CPU cooler if you are overclocking, they often make like 300-400mhz difference over low end. Haswell CPU's release in ~2.5 weeks though so it's probably a bad idea to get ivy bridge and z77 Then perhaps I will wait for the CPU. I can live without the SSD, but the overclocking you are speaking of, it would not be too difficult? I suppose once the CPU comes out I will need to ask again. In the meantime, I may purchase the monitor, what other components are safe to buy without knowing the motherboard? edit: good to know about the cooler, I may not be able to go the cheap route with the case | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Haswell is a bit up in the air atm, I feel. You might have to wait a lot until prices come down to a normal level, meanwhile microcenter sells 3570k for $160 or something, perhaps to get its stock cleared out. Haswell seems to only be better if it clearly will be easier to overclock. Benchmarks don't show a difference big enough to justify a (much) higher price. The Hyper 212+'s performance is actually more towards the side of strong air coolers despite its price. It will get very close to the limit of your particular CPU, whatever it might be. Its performance fits well with the motherboard you chose which isn't for high overclocking. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
The Hyper 212+'s performance is actually more towards the side of strong air coolers despite its price I disagree, it's a $20 cooler for a reason. I've seen Hr-02 macho's with temps maxing at 80 at 1.3v, and i've also seen 212+'s with temps worse than that at 1.2 - maybe down to thermal paste application etc, but it's harder on a HDT cooler to do properly. It will get very close to the limit of your particular CPU, whatever it might be I mean nobody is going to argue against 1.4v being bad for longevity on Ivy Bridge. Plenty of people use 1.45-1.5. There's no way a 212 can cool more than 1.2-1.25. The average CPU will gain something like 300mhz for the type of cooling difference a strong midrange cooler like the hr-02 macho can bring, because you are temperature limited to the point of even with delidded cpu, 6-or-whatever case fans and an NH-d14 with 3 fans mounted, it's hard to use dangerous voltages, and frequency return for voltage often does not cliff off until later, my CPU for example which does not fail IBT at 4.4 1.13v, nor at 4.7 1.24, though it's a great CPU, you can just bump a few hundred mhz off the frequency numbers if you want for a worse one - voltage scaling is mostly the same | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
My guess is that it's just less consistent due to manufacturing inconsistencies (average sample is good, but some are not because of unevenness in the base and the heatpipes) as well as user error. That said, part of the reason for user error is because of the mounting system, HDT being a little different, etc. You could chalk those considerations up to the cooler, if you want. | ||
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