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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
NDA makes it impossible to get a well rounded look. We only have a few bits of actual information, and most of it is limited and written in chinese using stock cooler or something similar. I'm just waiting for Sin0822 or somebody advanced and well known to get their hands on one (or twenty..) and write a few thousand words about overclocking performance and details. If haswell launches with as little as ~5% IPC increase over ivy and runs hotter (as some reports indicate) then unless it runs a lot faster than ivy at the same voltage on average i will be quite mad. If that happens though, Intel makes less than 15% performance gains and makes their CPU's a ton hotter (introducing delidding issue.. we KNOW haswell is not soldered, at least some engineering samples and i think even a production run chip) in two and a half years - while AMD in the same time period makes massive leaps (potentially 30-45%) in Bulldozer to Steamroller, making them better in every way - it would be quite the gap closer. Intel is making quite some progress but it is not in the desktop market. They have gt3 and gt3e integrated graphics - No enthusiast who cares about a few hundred mhz of overclocking performance will care about integrated graphics that rivals a gt630 unless you get a BGA chip - even if it was 5 times stronger, it would be disabled. Power usage? It's a pretty sweet advantage, but ultimately, damn, it's just power usage. If it doesn't translate to lower heat (hello ivy bridge, cutting power usage massively but running hotter at the same voltage unless you delid for magical -25c on the same cooling and settings) then it is almost meaningless. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On May 12 2013 02:26 Toss907 wrote: I I feel like the haf 932 has terrible routing behind the motherboard, the space is minimal. It doesn't have the rubber routing garments you would expect as I've seen other cases have. With my dual 560tis I have limited room above the tt850w ps. Only image I have now.. Wish it was of the bottom of the case. Also would like to upgrade cooler to larger radiator. The cable management options are more than adequate in the HAF 932, especially with the side panel bulge. If the HAF 932 doesn't offer enough room behind the motherboard, then no other case on the market is going to let you cable route easier. The only case that might help you is the Silverstone FT02 since the case practically forces you to plan cable management. From the image you posted, I'd say the problem is not with the case. Having worked in a IT retail before, I can tell you that cable management is 95% planning and 5% to do with the sort of hardware you have. The 101 to neat cable management is to: - use zip ties to hold cables together and to shorten their length - wrap auxiliary cables around each other to decrease their length and to hold them together - plug everything in before installing bulky hardware (i.e. GPUs, CPU coolers) | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
(Tell us your top 5 LD10T stories muahaha) | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Assuming the staff are good and have some pride in their work (my place did), you can learn a crapload about computer building because customers like buying shit cases and PSUs. In many ways, the awful cases and PSUs are easier to build and cable manage because you feel less bad about treating the hardware roughly. Protip: if you go to MSY and wonder why the cashier staff are so slow, it has to do with the point of sales system. The sales staff normally have to manually look up the item, manually choose the right s/n and manually adjust the price to whatever is on the daily price list. If you're paying through card, they have to manually comment on the payment method (i.e. VISA, American Express). If Apple ran on such a system, they'd probably collapse overnight. | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:55 Womwomwom wrote: I won't hijack this thread but yeah I did IT retail while I was in university. Its any other retail job except employers are even more exploitative. Staff turnover is fairly high for this reason. Protip: if you go to MSY and wonder why the cashier staff are so slow, it has to do with the point of sales system. The sales staff normally have to manually look up the item, manually choose the right s/n and manually adjust the price to whatever is on the daily price list. If you're paying through card, they have to manually comment on the payment method (i.e. VISA, American Express). If Apple ran on such a system, they'd probably collapse overnight. Hah, wondered why it takes an inordinate amount of time to buy anything at MSY. The prices are great, but I imagine working for them would be hell. | ||
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sn0opys
12 Posts
Also, my gameplay on SC2 on LOW settings is okay but it starts to get laggy when a lot of units are made. I would also like to play custom games. My desired settings for SC2 is High. My current specs are Motherboard: MSi 770T-C45 Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor 2.2GHz Ram: 4GB Graphic card: ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series 2297 MB ~ Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit. I also have the budget of 200-300 dollars. (If it's possible) I don't know what parts to change. Somebody from these forums told me to get certain hardware but that is for smooth low gameplay. I would like to play on high! Thank you! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
But for high, you may need a new video card too, which is looking to be out of the price range, considering the other expenses. | ||
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sn0opys
12 Posts
On May 13 2013 03:48 Myrmidon wrote: Screen resolution? For SC2 you definitely need a new CPU (which means new motherboard and RAM... sigh). But for high, you may need a new video card too, which is looking to be out of the price range, considering the other expenses. The monitor I'm currently using right now is 1920x1080. Ahh I see. Am I able to get smooth gameplay with medium with $200 until I get a new video card? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
You might be able to make something work with a pentium CPU (dual core, newest gen) and a cheap GPU like the 7750 (that is still good by sc2's standards) but honestly you'd want to lean towards i5 if it were possible | ||
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Grotchen
16 Posts
On May 08 2013 10:32 Grotchen wrote: Hello, I have been using a terrible computer for several years now and have decided that it would be time for an upgrade. What is your budget? My budget is around 1000, probably a bit less. What is your resolution? 1920 by 1080 What are you using it for? Gaming, probably photoshop, maybe recording/streaming What is your upgrade cycle? Probably around 5 or so years, wont upgrade for a while if it can last. When do you plan on building it? This coming summer either in early June or early July. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg Thanks in advance My old computer is having severe issues and thus I will be building it as soon as possible, once I have parts. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
I am still confused what to do. I need to ask how much I will need to invest to get enough performance. Here is my story: Basicaly my parents can buy me a laptop. No they will not buy me a desktop. But I want it to perform "ok" or good enough to play games. But of course not at all close enough to a desktop. I will only use it in holidays. What I want: Sc2 @ 60fps low settings 1920x1080 - 15" or 17" That said. I want to get something as cheap as possible to be nice to my parents. But at the same time the laptop must be good enough to practice sc2 and also DotA2 + Heroes of Newerth. I play every game on LOW settings. I hate blurr and effects. I am just for the game. (retired cs:s pro) the CPU is the main focus. Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Anyone? | ||
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Seplion
United States7 Posts
I have used TL as a SC2 news site for sometime, but decided to make an account so I could ask a question here. I currently play on a 2011 iMac with a 2.7Ghz i5, 12GB RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB, and a 1TB HD. The computer as given to me as a hand-me-down from my parents to use in my studies after my previous PC died, however I would like to purchase my own computer. I mostly play SC2, however I do occasionally play other games such as Borderlands 2 with friends, so playing on max settings would be cool. I also watch TV shows in HD on the computer. My question is: I don't really know much about building a computer, but if I were to buy a desktop what would you guys recommend? Also, while I know technology evolves very quickly, is there anything near hitting the market that would make this an inopportune time to purchase a computer? I have looked at the aurora, and have tried selecting computer parts from newegg using what I read here and other sites - but I am too nervous at the moment to try building my own computer. My budget would be around $2000-2500. Thanks very much. | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 05:53 llIH wrote: Hello again... I am still confused what to do. I need to ask how much I will need to invest to get enough performance. Here is my story: Basicaly my parents can buy me a laptop. No they will not buy me a desktop. But I want it to perform "ok" or good enough to play games. But of course not at all close enough to a desktop. I will only use it in holidays. What I want: Sc2 @ 60fps low settings 1920x1080 - 15" or 17" That said. I want to get something as cheap as possible to be nice to my parents. But at the same time the laptop must be good enough to practice sc2 and also DotA2 + Heroes of Newerth. I play every game on LOW settings. I hate blurr and effects. I am just for the game. (retired cs:s pro) the CPU is the main focus. Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Can you give us your location (country) and where you'd be purchasing your laptop from (online retailers, B&Ms)? | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On May 13 2013 03:43 sn0opys wrote: Hi, I would like to improve my playability on this game. I don't see the point of playing Dota 2 when the graphics are on low if it's the same thing as WC3 DotA. I would like to be able to breeze through the game with amazing graphics and smooth gameplay. Also, my gameplay on SC2 on LOW settings is okay but it starts to get laggy when a lot of units are made. I would also like to play custom games. My desired settings for SC2 is High. My current specs are Motherboard: MSi 770T-C45 Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor 2.2GHz Ram: 4GB Graphic card: ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series 2297 MB ~ Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit. I also have the budget of 200-300 dollars. (If it's possible) I don't know what parts to change. Somebody from these forums told me to get certain hardware but that is for smooth low gameplay. I would like to play on high! Thank you! You could change either cpu+motherboard+ram and later change gpu, or other way around if you can save up 100$ more down the line with such a low budget yeah you can't get what you want :/ | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On May 13 2013 07:00 Seplion wrote: Hello everyone, I have used TL as a SC2 news site for sometime, but decided to make an account so I could ask a question here. I currently play on a 2011 iMac with a 2.7Ghz i5, 12GB RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB, and a 1TB HD. The computer as given to me as a hand-me-down from my parents to use in my studies after my previous PC died, however I would like to purchase my own computer. I mostly play SC2, however I do occasionally play other games such as Borderlands 2 with friends, so playing on max settings would be cool. I also watch TV shows in HD on the computer. My question is: I don't really know much about building a computer, but if I were to buy a desktop what would you guys recommend? Also, while I know technology evolves very quickly, is there anything near hitting the market that would make this an inopportune time to purchase a computer? I have looked at the aurora, and have tried selecting computer parts from newegg using what I read here and other sites - but I am too nervous at the moment to try building my own computer. My budget would be around $2000-2500. Thanks very much. New processors come out in less than a month, if you can wait till then do it. 2k is more than enough, you can go completely nuts with that or spend much less and get similar performance. Spending money on screens or other peripherals becomes a much better choice after a point. Answer the questions in the OP if you want a computer now or come back once new processors arrive and answer the questions then. Ignore the Crossfire/SLI question if you don't know what it means. | ||
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
On May 13 2013 07:01 mav451 wrote: Can you give us your location (country) and where you'd be purchasing your laptop from (online retailers, B&Ms)? I live in Norway. Can purchase from several online stores. But not Newegg unfortunately! | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 10 2013 05:16 Doctorbeat wrote: I'm thinking about getting myself a desktop after a few years of using a laptop only, should I wait for Haswell/Nvidia 7xx series? I have the time to wait for both to come out. If prices of current hardware will drop it's worth it right? The rig will be used for gaming (Dota2/D3/CS:GO/Tomb Raider) and CAD (AutoCAD/SolidWorks/Inventor). Budget is €1k including monitor and keyboard. Monitor will be a ~€150 Dell 23" IPS. Bamp. Have designed a rig, but it's a little over budget. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mCzVvBm.png) Total price would be €1147.07 Someone I know told me to ditch the cpu cooler, switch out the i5 for a fx-8320, the mobo for ASUS M5A97 R2.0 and the Samsung SSD for a Sandisk ready-cache ssd. Those changes would get me to within 1k. I don't know much about the AMD cpu's or the Sandisk ssd, do these changes make sense? | ||
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