EPTIt doesn't make sense to get the Xeon v2 unless you are specifically not overclocking, yet want the 20% performance from hyperthreading; That's a pretty small niche
Computer Build Resource Thread - Page 1486
| Forum Index > Tech Support |
When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
It doesn't make sense to get the Xeon v2 unless you are specifically not overclocking, yet want the 20% performance from hyperthreading; That's a pretty small niche | ||
|
Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
The rig will be used for gaming (Dota2/D3/CS:GO/Tomb Raider) and CAD (AutoCAD/SolidWorks/Inventor). Budget is €1k including monitor and keyboard. Monitor will be a ~€150 Dell 23" IPS. | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Wait for haswell if you are overclocking, IMO | ||
|
Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On May 10 2013 05:20 Cyro wrote: 700 series won't mean that much unless you want a 780 (which could cost as much as ~$650, but is much much closer to the gtx titan than the 680) Wait for haswell if you are overclocking, IMO Not going to be overclocking. So prices of current hardware (Sandy Bridge/Nvidia 600 series) won't change when the new stuff gets on the market? If so, then I'll start piecing together a build  | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
On May 10 2013 04:50 Cyro wrote: Why would you pay $155 for a z77 board if you cant overclock anyway? I mean, isnt the ud3h (a very capable, strong overclocking board) like $125? It doesn't make sense to get the Xeon v2 unless you are specifically not overclocking, yet want the 20% performance from hyperthreading; That's a pretty small niche Basically i know that the extreme6 board is one that supports the xeon 1230 v2, since there are compatibility issues with many boards and the Xeon i didn't feel safe posting something that i didn't know would be compatible. | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
| ||
|
Craton
United States17303 Posts
| ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
| ||
|
Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
And anyway, it's all moot because there's no overclocking involved here and hopefully nobody's getting an Extreme6 to not overclock anyway. I think the Xeons will work in some motherboards even when not explicitly mentioned, but for AsRock they list Xeon model support on all their 7-series motherboards anyway, so I have no idea why Extreme6 was mentioned in the first place. I mean, the lowest-end B75 explicitly lists support (not to mention the 6-series models too): http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B75M R2.0/?cat=CPU Hardly just AsRock too: http://www.gigabyte.us/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4389 http://www.msi.com/product/mb/B75A-E33.html#?div=CPUSupport http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P8B75M_LE/#support_CPU | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
A few threads from random sites kind of scared me regarding compatibility issues, and i couldn't find a list of supporting MOBO's (furthermore i don't know about the cons of cheaper boards and the pros of expensive ones) so i just posted the one board i did confirm was totally compatible just to be safe (i'd rather him pay more for an extreme6 than less for an incompatible board), but as i warned and predicted and was counting on, you guys were here with your big juicy knowledgeable brains to save the day :D. So, Submitted for the approval of the tech-knight society, i call this story: WOOOSH! The budget Xeon build + Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V2 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: Asus P8B75-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($70.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($99.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg) Total: $558.93 I read from TheGunRun's thread that 2133 ram is somehow good for streaming... If that's not true it might be worthwhile to go to an even cheaper board and even cheaper ram. For a non OC budget build, what do y'alls think? In unrelated news everything but my graphics card is arriving today and the card itself is arriving on monday. Is there any benefit to waiting until monday to build everything together all at once or can i just throw in the GPU on monday and get the OS and drivers and other various and crap going with on-board graphics now? | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
I read from TheGunRun's thread that 2133 ram is somehow good for streaming Lot's of people did, it's silly unless you are targeting really extreme settings and already have overclocked i7 with a high end cooler. Also, you're giving up timings (cas9 to 11) so it's not much of an upgrade from standard RAM. And it looks ok, if you want to spend ~$30 or a bit more for hyperthreading but dont want to overclock at all | ||
|
Lakona
Canada110 Posts
What is your budget? $1000. What is your resolution? This means in-game resolution, right? 1600x900. Incase this has anything to do with monitor resolution, I plan on getting a Dell UltraSharp U2312HM. What are you using it for? I want to be able to stream SC2 @ 1080p, ideally on high graphics settings without lag, 8+ hours per day. What is your upgrade cycle? I will buy my next computer when SC3 comes out. O_O When do you plan on building it? Within the next week, possibly within the next couple days. Do you plan on overclocking? Nope. Do you need an Operating System? Nope. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think this would help me. Where are you buying your parts from? Canada. So, here's the catch: I'm super lazy and don't actually want to do any building myself. I've heard there are sites where you can pay extra to have the system pre-assembled, so I'm willing to have that factored into the price. Thanks for any recommendations! | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
I goofed and the motherboard i ordered http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz77xd3h does not list as supporting the speed of ram i decided to order at the last second http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468. So here i am trying to find out what memory slots i should use and i realize my dilemma... Do i have to sell them and buy 1600? | ||
|
Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Don't know why you bought it though, it's cas11 latency which is pretty bad (so it's not really much better than any old 1600 kit in most cases) and it has annoying heat spreaders on the top that serve no purpose | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
On May 11 2013 06:11 Cyro wrote: Nothing officially supports over 1600. Higher is technically an overclock, but mostly very easy to set up and ran without any dangers as long as you use a proper voltage, that kit is 2133mhz cas11 1.5-1.6v which is pretty standard. It's guaranteed for that speed+voltage at those timings Don't know why you bought it though, it's cas11 latency which is pretty bad (so it's not really much better than any old 1600 kit in most cases) and it has annoying heat spreaders on the top that serve no purpose so you reckon they will work? also can you tell me which memoryy slots to fill XD (so i just plug them in and there wont be any tweaking required?) As a noob i was taken-in by ThGunRuns thread asserting 2133 to be superior, not understanding i could not make use of it.. (when it comes to the more technical things regarding computers i am just plain noob) and also as a noob i dont know if it matters which slots i fill first! | ||
|
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On May 11 2013 05:54 Lakona wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Oookay, ready this time! What is your budget? $1000. What is your resolution? This means in-game resolution, right? 1600x900. Incase this has anything to do with monitor resolution, I plan on getting a Dell UltraSharp U2312HM. What are you using it for? I want to be able to stream SC2 @ 1080p, ideally on high graphics settings without lag, 8+ hours per day. What is your upgrade cycle? I will buy my next computer when SC3 comes out. O_O When do you plan on building it? Within the next week, possibly within the next couple days. Do you plan on overclocking? Nope. Do you need an Operating System? Nope. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think this would help me. Where are you buying your parts from? Canada. So, here's the catch: I'm super lazy and don't actually want to do any building myself. I've heard there are sites where you can pay extra to have the system pre-assembled, so I'm willing to have that factored into the price. Thanks for any recommendations! U2312HM is 1920x1080. Running stuff at non native resolution (unless you plan on playing in windowed mode) will look ugly as shit. NCIX and nearly all other Canadian retailer will assemble for $50 or an inexpensive price. On May 11 2013 06:15 FlilFlam wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2013 06:11 Cyro wrote: Nothing officially supports over 1600. Higher is technically an overclock, but mostly very easy to set up and ran without any dangers as long as you use a proper voltage, that kit is 2133mhz cas11 1.5-1.6v which is pretty standard. It's guaranteed for that speed+voltage at those timings Don't know why you bought it though, it's cas11 latency which is pretty bad (so it's not really much better than any old 1600 kit in most cases) and it has annoying heat spreaders on the top that serve no purpose so you reckon they will work? also can you tell me which memoryy slots to fill XD (so i just plug them in and there wont be any tweaking required?) As a noob i was taken-in by ThGunRuns thread asserting 2133 to be superior, not understanding i could not make use of it.. (when it comes to the more technical things regarding computers i am just plain noob) and also as a noob i dont know if it matters which slots i fill first! Read the manual. The slots are color coded as well, it's either slot 1 and 3 or 2 and 4. Generally for memory above 1600MHz, you just need to enable XMP in BIOS and it'll work. Of course overclocked components won't be stable sometimes so you will have to do tweaking or run it at a lower clock speed. | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
| ||
|
Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The memory sticks are suggested to be put into the first and third slot. The first slot is the one that's farthest away from the CPU socket. It should look like this: [ CPU SOCKET ] EDIT: I found this guide was answering pretty much any question I had while trying to overclock: http://sinhardware.com/index.php/overclockingoc-guides/116-ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide/126-ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-with-ln2-guide-at-the-end It also uses a Gigabyte board so you will see similar settings in your BIOS. This guide is for ASRock boards, but is well organized and helped in understanding how to test stability and generally what programs to use: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition | ||
|
FlilFlam
Canada109 Posts
So im going to clearly have to jerry rig something, but i need to ask, does the SSD need to be placed flat? can i just strap it in to the area for drives sideways with some screws and any available holes? Thanks very much for the help. | ||
|
skyR
Canada13817 Posts
| ||
| ||
