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On May 11 2013 06:35 skyR wrote:U2312HM is 1920x1080. Running stuff at non native resolution (unless you plan on playing in windowed mode) will look ugly as shit.
Hum. In the monitor thread, all of the monitors listed in the "16x9" section are 1920x1080, so I assumed this was correct. What resolution should I be looking for then? o_O
On May 11 2013 06:35 skyR wrote:NCIX and nearly all other Canadian retailer will assemble for $50 or an inexpensive price.
Right, this is where I keep hearing about. So, I assume it's the "PC Builder" section I want. The "i5 Performance" defaults at about ~900, which is right around my price range. Would that be sufficient for my needs? Could someone recommend optimum choices for all of the individual options? I'm a total noob and want to spend my money wisely, guidance would be much appreciated.
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Sure, the more detail you can give about PC usage+wants, the most custom it can be.
For only playing sc2 for example, even on max 1920x1080, it's silly to get anything above the 7770 (graphics card) because any time performance is at all low, it's because of the CPU, starcraft 2 is held back really far by 1 core of the CPU so it doesn't need a strong graphics card even by release date standards; Now, it's 3 years after the engine was released, and it started being coded many years before that
Many other games would benefit massively from a much stronger graphics card, though.
There's also the options of SSD's etc which are really good, and individually selecting other parts for needs or price/performance ratio's, and you should also consider overclocking, because it can give you massive performance boosts in starcraft 2 and more headroom for pushing up stream settings if you want to do that and have good upload, but regardless, sc2 performs poorly on even the best CPU's and performance drops significantly while streaming, so if you can overclock 3.4 to 4.5ghz (32%) and get a >40% increase to minimum framerates from it, it's worth the price of a better motherboard, a good cooler and some hours setting up, i think
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It's purely for playing and streaming SC2, heavily (like 8-12 hours per day)
I thought overclocking might involve messing around with the inside of the comp, but just looked it up and apparently not, so yes I would definitely like to overclock
So yes basically I'm looking for the most cost efficient specs from NCIX builder for the purpose of streaming SC2 in HD for prolonged periods that can be overclocked all at around $1000 after shipping and assembly costs 8)
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What upload do you have? Like 2mbit or 5+?
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According to speedtest.net, 1.55mbps (currently using laptop though if that makes any difference o_O)
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Well, most high quality streams use 3000-4500kbit bitrate, which requires like 3.5-5mbit stable upload, with that low bitrate you cant get awesome results at higher resolution and FPS (both require more data per second for the frames to be the same quality) so there's not much point pushing hardware for high resolution and FPS stream, i would still overclock i5 though for game performance
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Ahh k, so that would be the bottleneck anyway. Alrighty. Oh wells, I'll just stream in lower quality I guess.
If I were *not* going to overclock, would it instead be worth it to get an i7?
I know nothing about motherboards/power supply/case, does it matter much which one I get?
Is an SSD worth it?
Any recommendation on graphics card?
Also, what's the deal with the monitor issue above, are 1920x1080 resolutions not suitable for 1600x900 play even though they're listed as such in the monitor thread? o_O
I'll continue to do my own research, but any further input on these issues from anyone would be appreciated.
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On May 11 2013 17:03 Lakona wrote:
Ahh k, so that would be the bottleneck anyway. Alrighty. Oh wells, I'll just stream in lower quality I guess.
If I were *not* going to overclock, would it instead be worth it to get an i7?
I know nothing about motherboards/power supply/case, does it matter much which one I get?
Is an SSD worth it?
Any recommendation on graphics card?
Also, what's the deal with the monitor issue above, are 1920x1080 resolutions not suitable for 1600x900 play even though they're listed as such in the monitor thread? o_O
I'll continue to do my own research, but any further input on these issues from anyone would be appreciated.
Absolutely not. The reason he said an overclocked i5 would help is for game performance, an i7 won't do jack shit for you. Not to mention the only advantage in getting an i7 over a cheap xeon is the ability to overclock.
For motherboards, it depends on what features you need. If you're not overclocking and have no other special requirements, the cheapest b75 board, or the cheapest h61 board that explicitly lists out of the box ivybridge support are appropriate. If you are overclocking you'd need a z75/z77 board, and there are some cheap ones that are quite good.
For a powersupply you want either: super cheap from a good line, or nice efficiency from a good line. Wattage is almost completely irrelevant, efficiency is somewhat telling, but there are more factors that aren't listed on retailer pages to consider.
Case is all about aesthetics/slots/airflow vs cost. If you have basic needs a basic case will do fine, but some egotistical people like to spend exorbitant amounts for a shell with extra pretty grooves on it.
Whether an ssd is worth it or not depends on whether or not you only care about in game fps readings, or if you also care about having a computer that feels fast and responsive for general tasks, booting, file operations, etc.
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All of those insults were necessary.
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On May 11 2013 17:03 Lakona wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ahh k, so that would be the bottleneck anyway. Alrighty. Oh wells, I'll just stream in lower quality I guess.
If I were *not* going to overclock, would it instead be worth it to get an i7?
I know nothing about motherboards/power supply/case, does it matter much which one I get?
Is an SSD worth it?
Any recommendation on graphics card?
Also, what's the deal with the monitor issue above, are 1920x1080 resolutions not suitable for 1600x900 play even though they're listed as such in the monitor thread? o_O
I'll continue to do my own research, but any further input on these issues from anyone would be appreciated.
Not sure what you're talking about with monitors. 1920x1080 monitors aren't listed as 1600x900. Monitors have native resolutions and you're suppose to use them otherwise the image quality is going to take a nose dive. The monitor thread has 16 : 9 monitors listed which denotes the aspect ratio of 16 9, not a resolution of 1600x900. I'm sure you're on a computer right now? Just lower your resolution and you'll see why.
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Hey guys, i'd like some input on upgrading my PC.
Currently my build is:
Case: NZXT Lexa S
MB: MSI B75A - G43
CPU: i5 3570
DDR: 4GB 1600
GPU: GTX 260
HDD: 1000GB sata II
PS: Sirtec 500w HP smth (I want to replace it as its pretty old already)
I was thinking of upgrading to the following:
Case: NZXT Lexa S
MB: MSI B75A - G43
CPU: Xeon E3-1230V2 3.3GHz box
DDR: 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz (CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B) - This should stay as I found a really good offer on it (only 20$ more than a 8GB kit costs)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD7950 Boost Dual-X 3GB DDR5 384-bit DisplayPort
SSD: Samsung 120GB SATA-III 2.5 inch 840 Series Basic
HDD: 1000GB sata III - whatever disk
PS: Super Flower Golden Green SF-550P14XE(GX) 550W
I'll use the computer for streaming (Sc2 / LoL) and playing other games, but also for work (working with big archived files - for this i have external drives to store the files on)
Should i go for the Xeon or should i change my motherboard and go for a 3570k? That would mean also buying a cooler in order to overclock and I would need to expand my budget.
Is the E3-1230V2 enough for streaming? Should i even upgrade from the i5 3570?
What I could replace in my build would be the video card for a Sapphire Radeon HD7870 XT WITH BOOST 2GB DDR5 256-bit. I have a full hd monitor but i don't care that much about maxing everything out.
I'm also buying a keyboard Steelseries 6Gv2 and would like some input on it? Should i go for this or a Qpad MK-50? They are in the same price range.
I'm planning on making the purchase early next week so any advices would be good as i wanna start comparing offers online.
The price of the whole upgrade would be 1300$ with the 7950 or 1220$ with the 7870.
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i5 3570 to xeon e3-1230v2 is a sidegrade or very slight upgrade at best. You might even see marginally worse performance in-game and with the 3570 already being powerful it's hard to utilize +20% multithreaded performance when streaming, if you are not already on the edge of cpu limits you won't see a difference as both will handle the settings you throw at them.
It would be weird to replace the 3570 with a "k" and the motherboard with another one though just to overclock. Perhaps sell your current board, CPU and RAM in a few weeks to go for overclocked haswell i5 with that 16gb RAM and a new graphics card + good PSU?
You could even throw in the 260, and sell it as a full system
In regards to keyboards, the 6gv2 uses black switches (i think they have a red edition?) and the other one you mentioned uses reds. You should read up a lot about the different switch types if you didn't already, you are mainly looking at red/black/brown for gaming
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Okay, think I've got everything figured out except for one last thing: which is these is better?
http://ncix.ca/search/?categoryid=0&q=evga gtx 650 ti
There's a bunch of little subtle differences that I don't understand. Like, is it better to get a 2 GB, or a superclocked 1 GB that says better performance but has the less memory?
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the 650, 650 ti and 650ti boost are all 3 different cards
the memory won't change anything for 1080p resolution, so getting the cheapest 1gb card is the better solution
you can overclock your card yourself after, there is nothing easier to do
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Hey all-
You guys have helped me build my first computer in the past and I need a little more insight! I currently have the cooler master haf 932 and I want to upgrade with a little better cable management and interior working room.
Got any ideas?
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On May 11 2013 17:19 Craton wrote:
All of those insults were necessary.
Who is this directed at? Me?
On May 11 2013 20:49 Rachnar wrote:
the 650, 650 ti and 650ti boost are all 3 different cards
the memory won't change anything for 1080p resolution, so getting the cheapest 1gb card is the better solution
you can overclock your card yourself after, there is nothing easier to do
To clarify, he means the cheapest 1gb 650 or the cheapest 1gb 650ti or the cheapest 1gb 650ti boost.
In order of performance for 95% of titles you're looking at 650 (rubbish) <<< 650ti (ok) << 650ti boost(good) < 660 (a little better). If you want to spend the extra for a boost, there is a pretty big jump over the 650ti. If it's only for sc2, 650ti is fine for ultra at 1080p.
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On May 11 2013 23:08 Toss907 wrote:
Hey all-
You guys have helped me build my first computer in the past and I need a little more insight! I currently have the cooler master haf 932 and I want to upgrade with a little better cable management and interior working room.
Got any ideas?
You want more space and places to route cables than a HAF 932 gives you? What parts are we talking about? Pictures of internals? What specifically is not working?
I mean, you're constrained by the materials and system you're working with, but unless you're looking at cramped ITX or mATX systems like Sugo SG09/10, it's probably more about the planning and effort of the builder than anything else.
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On May 12 2013 01:07 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 23:08 Toss907 wrote:
Hey all-
You guys have helped me build my first computer in the past and I need a little more insight! I currently have the cooler master haf 932 and I want to upgrade with a little better cable management and interior working room.
Got any ideas? You want more space and places to route cables than a HAF 932 gives you? What parts are we talking about? Pictures of internals? What specifically is not working? I mean, you're constrained by the materials and system you're working with, but unless you're looking at cramped ITX or mATX systems like Sugo SG09/10, it's probably more about the planning and effort of the builder than anything else.
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I feel like the haf 932 has terrible routing behind the motherboard, the space is minimal. It doesn't have the rubber routing garments you would expect as I've seen other cases have.
With my dual 560tis I have limited room above the tt850w ps.
Only image I have now.. Wish it was of the bottom of the case. Also would like to upgrade cooler to larger radiator.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8AEt0rD.jpg)
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The 8ghz was regarded by the community as fake.
Haswell voltage readings are also all over the place (from ~0.7v to ~2.6v) and they are also generally accepted to be complete bullshit, there's also the fact that this happens:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w3zJEnh.jpg)
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