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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On April 18 2013 10:20 Gumbi wrote: I'm not sure how the 7870XT is being priced in the US, but they're really well-priced in EU. They're basically cut down 7950s with 2GB of VRAM. You can get the Joker model for €210, which is less than the price of some 7870s! Well price is everything, that's my point. I was mainly talking about the 7850, not the 7870, but same with 7870, if it's much cheaper than the 7950 and then the 470 or 480 isn't significantly cheaper, ie 50-80% of the price, then that'd be the better choice. The main point I'm trying to impress here is there are lots of 'older gen' (a bit of a misnomer, as I explained, as many newer gen cards use the exact same technologies) high end cards that perform the same as current-gen mid-range cards for a drastically lower price. There are, for sure, things that make, say, the 7870 more attractive than the 480, but they aren't really that important, especially to people who aren't huge overclockers. For a $20, maybe even $40, yea, just get the higher gen. But $100 difference, double the price difference, save yourself the money and get an i7 or a better heatsink or motherboard or raid ssds or whatever instead. I mean these dynamics change on a day to day basis basically. Just because of a sale of a particular item or it's competitor item, an item can go from being awesome, to a piece of crap. Ie, the hyper 212+ is awesome at $19 but it's junk at $39 (or $29 really), the nh-d14 is awesome at $50-60 but it's junk at $85, the antec neo eco was an awesome psu until the xfx pro dropped in price. None of these components magically changed when some guy submitted revisions to the newegg website, it's just that price is everything. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
according to this guru3d article gtx460 consumes around ~170w under gaming load, gtx480 around 265w 7870 though is just under half of the 480's power, but benchmarks around the same, It comes new with 2 or 3 games, a warranty (you wouldn't have either of those on 480) and because of having half of the power draw, noise and heat output is a lot lower. It's up to the individual if they really care about that, but i think 130w more in real world situations is a pretty massive amount. I have no idea how big the price difference is but i can't see the 480 being worth much. A used 460 though, lots of strengh, low price, doesn't have the 480's extremely-widely-complained-about issues that happen when games pull 200-300w and furmark pulls <350w through a single GPU with a poor cooling system | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
The 460 is a gpu i would buy, not a 480 though, the heat/noise is more relevant for it (lot more power to dissapate) plus it's just high priced, more difficult to be worth it Heat and noise is 99% dependent on the heatsink on the GPU, what you are saying, imo, is absolutely silly. If you really think the heat is an issue, just buy some high end thermal paste for $3, and lower temps also reduces power consumption significantly so it'd help there too. Noise is all about how loud the fans are, you can simply just set the fans to run at a lower level. I set my fans to run at 60% and they never go above 70*C, and that's with a very high voltage and overclock on my 460. Are you going to tell me that 'oh 460s run hot and loud'? That would be silly. The heatsink my gtx 460 has, the twin frozr ii, keeps the card cool, quiet, and reduces power consumption. You can just pick a 470 model with a good heatsink. it doesnt make any sense to me what you are saying, why would you not buy a high quality card that's $100 cheaper just because it might be 5-10*C hotter? What do you care, that's still a good 20-30*C below it's 100*C+ max temp, and that also likely won't add a single degree to your CPU anyways. So what, say it adds 5*C to your CPU temps when gaming. So what? You ran your CPU in prime95 or some other stress test, and made sure your temps never maxed out, and said stress test is going to be a good 15-30*C higher than what you'll ever reach gaming, since you wont stress test CPU and GPU at same time. Like why all the sudden are you so concerned about a few degrees? You are going to spend a hundred dollars more for a card that performs exactly the same, over a few degrees in a scenario that doesn't matter and is less of a factor than the heatsink? Come on man, you know better, you can't just say 'oh 480s are loud'. No, fans are loud, 480s are dead silent. 7870 though is just under half of the 480's power, but benchmarks around the same, It comes new with 2 or 3 games, a warranty (you wouldn't have either of those on 480) and because of having half of the power draw, noise and heat output is a lot lower. It's up to the individual if they really care about that, but i think 130w more in real world situations is a pretty massive amount. I have no idea how big the price difference is but i can't see the 480 being worth much. Yes, and it's twice as expensive, and that's only under synthetic benchmarks. In real world gaming you'll be peaking 70-90% load only in some big battle, so most of the time it's just 50% load. To cut that power consumption difference in half. Then, most of the day you are browsing chrome, low usage, or sleeping, working, schooling - the power consumption difference than is just 15w. And 130w is not a massive amount unless you get into SLI. 480 goes for $130-150 in the states, 7870 is $250, almost twice the price. I'm sure you can find a particular 7870 on sale, on special, but same goes with a 480. I just dont see the power consumption or heat being an issue for most people asking around in here. Even I wouldn't care about the extra heat, and I delidded my cpu, I have 8 case fans, you know it all. Because I'm only worried about my max CPU temps during prime95, which is when my GPU is not being used at all. I dont care if my GPU contributes 5-10*C to my CPU temp (which is a vaaast exaggeration of the impact) during gaming when my CPU might reach 20*C below my max temp in stress testing. Now the temp and power consumption thing does become a serious issue when you do SLI/Crossfire, THATS when it really matters, but your the biggest anti-sli guy so we know how silly that all is. anyways you can have the last word, i think i've made my point. My point is just get a 4870 or 460 and save your money until you can buy a 7950 lol. although a 460/470/480 is no good for bitcoin mining so there's that. i'm still curious about doing SLI on 460s | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
SLI on 768mb 460's is just silly IMO. 1gb VRAM is not enough aparantly for maxing a couple of newer games on 1920x1080, so you hardly want to be stuck at 768 | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
So SLI on 768mb maybe isn't that silly, considering how cheap it could be. But the 1GB model doesn't tend to sell for any more expensive than the 768mb model, so I'd likely just buy a gtx 460 1gb, and then sell my 460 768mb and use the money to replace it with another. I'm not playing the newer games, so I dont care, 768mb may very well be all i need. i wont need gtx 460 sli anytime soon likely either anyways. | ||
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Ashby
Australia204 Posts
http://www.ple.com.auPLE CPU: Intel Core i5 3570 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz 6MB Retail Box Mboard : Undecided (Choose from this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=508) RAM: G-Skill 8GB Kit (2x4GB) DDR3 Ripjaws X C9 1600MHz GPU: AMD 6950HD 2GB XXX Edition Dual Heat Dissapation HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 3.5" 1TB 64MB 7200RPM PSU: Corsair HX650v2 650W 80PLUS Gold Semi-Modular Power Supply - However, I am still Undecided (Choose from this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=318 I am after a PSU that will run all the above with any issues without being overkill, and the motherboard is to meet my requirement (very little) to help with keeping the price down. Thanks in advance for any help, cheers  Ashby | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On April 18 2013 13:55 Rollin wrote: Here in australia we don't use incandescents any more (it's semi-illegal to sell them), so a "high wattage" fluro is like 20w (equivalent of 100w incandescent). I'm surprised america is behind us in terms of technology, we're pretty backwards in everything else. Our government tried to legislate a switch away form incandescents, but our right-wing had a fit about government-is-too-big-lightbulbs-really-OMFG. It was kind of bizarre to watch, honestly. | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 18 2013 15:59 Ashby wrote: Okay, so I am buying some PC parts from the website below (cheapest in my area), I am undecided on the motherboard and the Power Supply. I just need 2 x Sata 3 Ports for HDD and potentially an SSD in the future and I do not plan to overclock. http://www.ple.com.auPLE CPU: Intel Core i5 3570 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz 6MB Retail Box Mboard : Undecided (Choose from this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=508) RAM: G-Skill 8GB Kit (2x4GB) DDR3 Ripjaws X C9 1600MHz GPU: AMD 6950HD 2GB XXX Edition Dual Heat Dissapation HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 3.5" 1TB 64MB 7200RPM PSU: Corsair HX650v2 650W 80PLUS Gold Semi-Modular Power Supply - However, I am still Undecided (Choose from this link http://www.ple.com.au/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryId=318 I am after a PSU that will run all the above with any issues without being overkill, and the motherboard is to meet my requirement (very little) to help with keeping the price down. Thanks in advance for any help, cheers Ashby Hey, fellow Perth dweller. Asus B75 is cheap with all you need, unless you have 5.1 speakers. PSU I would probably get the Antec, the corsair is more efficient but also more expensive. I actually have an Antec 620 sitting around that I could sell you for $100 if you can be bothered driving down Freo way. And are you buying a 6950? If so, why not get a current gen card? | ||
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Ashby
Australia204 Posts
On April 18 2013 16:28 Blaec wrote: Hey, fellow Perth dweller. Asus B75 is cheap with all you need, unless you have 5.1 speakers. PSU I would probably get the Antec, the corsair is more efficient but also more expensive. I actually have an Antec 620 sitting around that I could sell you for $100 if you can be bothered driving down Freo way. And are you buying a 6950? If so, why not get a current gen card? Thanks for the info, my current PSU is dead and mboard and cpu are the old 775 socket, so i've decided to upgrade, however I bought the 6950 last year so I already have this in my current set-up. Corsair has a 7 year warranty though, wheras the Antec for $20 less only ahs a 3 year warranty, so the Corsair has extra 4 years warranty and is a better PSU overall. Cheers Ashby | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On April 18 2013 16:55 Ashby wrote: Thanks for the info, my current PSU is dead and mboard and cpu are the old 775 socket, so i've decided to upgrade, however I bought the 6950 last year so I already have this in my current set-up. Corsair has a 7 year warranty though, wheras the Antec for $20 less only ahs a 3 year warranty, so the Corsair has extra 4 years warranty and is a better PSU overall. Cheers Ashby Fair enough, hope the build goes well. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On April 18 2013 16:55 Ashby wrote: Thanks for the info, my current PSU is dead and mboard and cpu are the old 775 socket, so i've decided to upgrade, however I bought the 6950 last year so I already have this in my current set-up. Corsair has a 7 year warranty though, wheras the Antec for $20 less only has a 3 year warranty, so the Corsair has extra 4 years warranty and is a better PSU overall. Cheers Ashby http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?InventoryItemID=612037&CategoryID=318 I'd be getting this. $70 for a silver 450w psu in perth? Holy shit I'm tempted to go out and get one myself. Above 550w power supplies are designed for 2+ high end gpus, and are less efficient than their lower rated companions for light loads (ivy bridge + 6950 is light) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
Very simple design. Similar to corsairs Obsidian line. Extremely good for air and water cooling. Full tower Very good cable management features Not absurdly expensive (probably £400 is my limit). Very customisable in terms of amount of fans. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If it's good for water cooling (what does this mean other than lots of space for radiators and other gear?), this means a larger size and internal volume, with air intakes generally far away from the CPU and graphics cards—which makes air cooling worse. Larger size means you need more fans to compensate, which is gives worse temps / noise, which is the realistic way to measure efficacy of cooling, right? Lots of fan mounts if unused and unblocked, depending on configuration (and especially with a larger case), can mean air going right in and out without cooling anything. What are the priorities really? | ||
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perotoss
United States2 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On April 19 2013 01:48 perotoss wrote: What computer builds do the top 10 pros use? What are the computer builds for the latest tournaments? Whatever computer their team happened to give them or they cobbled together on their own. Seriously though, pros are pretty ignorant of hardware - they just play the game. Tournaments use whatever they can rent for cheap/their sponsors give them for the event to use. See: XMG laptops at homestory, ibuypower computers for NASL, etc. Really the only standard seems to be 1920x1080 monitors somewhere in the 23" vicinity. There's probably some uniformity for the actual production computers of the various tournaments, because of high performance demand, but not for the playing computers. | ||
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perotoss
United States2 Posts
I'm looking particularly for SC2, and what specific builds don't give Pros and tournaments any grief with lag, stuttering, or other performance-inhibiting factors. I was hoping for solid CPU / Motherboard / GPU combinations that consistently work well for SC2. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On April 19 2013 02:06 MisterFred wrote: Whatever computer their team happened to give them or they cobbled together on their own. Seriously though, pros are pretty ignorant of hardware - they just play the game. Tournaments use whatever they can rent for cheap/their sponsors give them for the event to use. See: XMG laptops at homestory, ibuypower computers for NASL, etc. Really the only standard seems to be 1920x1080 monitors somewhere in the 23" vicinity. There's probably some uniformity for the actual production computers of the various tournaments, because of high performance demand, but not for the playing computers. Yeah, tournaments pretty much definitely use whatever sponsors them. MLG had all ibuypower Revolts at MLG Dallas for example. Pro teams/players probably use a mix of components provided by their sponsors. For example, LG-IM has a ton of computer manufacturers, etc. so they advertise and use the parts from there. On April 19 2013 02:50 perotoss wrote: Ya, I can't seem to find anything about specific builds or endorsements or whatever, like in other sports. Usually Athletes endorse products like shoes, rackets, clothing, or whatever. I would think esports and tournaments would give high visibility to particular computer builds. I'm looking particularly for SC2, and what specific builds don't give Pros and tournaments any grief with lag, stuttering, or other performance-inhibiting factors. I was hoping for solid CPU / Motherboard / GPU combinations that consistently work well for SC2. Haha, that's what the guys here are for ^.^ it's pretty easy to get good components that support your favorite team too. To answer your question, you'd be getting an i5-3570k (although haswell is really close), a 7850ish GPU, and a decent Z77 motherboard, and you'd be fine. Others can give you more specifics though. | ||
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