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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
Maybe because it is my first time building from scratch, but I don't think I am that incompetent. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:20 Craton wrote: How are you stable at that voltage at 4.9? Thats just the vcore needed to pass Superpi32m - it should be stable between 1.31 and 1.34vcore though, depending on luck. Its an amazing chip - the step to 5ghz is really nasty though. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
1. Budget Not really an issue. $1000-2000 is fine. Say $1300 excluding monitors, case and peripherials as a baseline. 2. What is your resolution? I'd like to run dual '27 2560x1440 (I think - same as my current iMac) What are you using it for? I play sc2 a little and really not much else. I do a lot of illustrator/photoshop and will in the near future do a lot of programming. What is your upgrade cycle? I upgrade when I need to. My current iMac is mid-11 model. (2600, 6970m) When do you plan on building it? In about two months. Should I wait for Haswell? Do you plan on overclocking? I've never bothered, but I'd like the system to be silent and cool. An aftermarket cooler is something I usually get for my builds. Do you need an Operating System? No. Have everything. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope. Not unless it will help my graphics work. I'd also like to stick with a "game" gpu, and I really prefer Nvidia. Where are you buying your parts from? A norwegian store, but newegg is comparable. Other stuff: I'd like an ssd for os and important software, and a bit of storage. Minimum 2gb, separate disks. Thank you  Edit: Case will take ATX or smaller. I don't need a dvd-drive. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On March 16 2013 21:42 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I'm thinking about building a new computer in the next two months, and for once I'd like to ask the experts instead of reading up on the latest news. 1. Budget Not really an issue. $1000-2000 is fine. Say $1300 excluding monitors, case and peripherials as a baseline. 2. What is your resolution? I'd like to run dual '27 2560x1440 (I think - same as my current iMac) What are you using it for? I play sc2 a little and really not much else. I do a lot of illustrator/photoshop and will in the near future do a lot of programming. What is your upgrade cycle? I upgrade when I need to. My current iMac is mid-11 model. (2600, 6970m) When do you plan on building it? In about two months. Should I wait for Haswell? Do you plan on overclocking? I've never bothered, but I'd like the system to be silent and cool. An aftermarket cooler is something I usually get for my builds. Do you need an Operating System? No. Have everything. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope. Not unless it will help my graphics work. I'd also like to stick with a "game" gpu, and I really prefer Nvidia. Where are you buying your parts from? A norwegian store, but newegg is comparable. Other stuff: I'd like an ssd for os and important software, and a bit of storage. Minimum 2gb, separate disks. Thank you Edit: Case will take ATX or smaller. I don't need a dvd-drive. How important is performance to you? How much would you pay for an x% improvement? For a baseline for such a system, i would say i5 3570 +hd7770 - though haswell is in 2.5 months and there's a couple new gpu's coming around that area which will shake up performance and pricing - but thats not filling out your 1.3k-2k budget, even with a 2tb HDD, 128/256 ssd, etc (..this assumes you mean US dollars converted, but buying from norway - if not please clarify) Every CPU has fps minimums below 30 in 1v1 worst case (regardless of graphics settings) - upgrading GPU does not really change that, which is why people go with midrange cards like the 7770 for playing sc2 - but you can bring this up by 30% or so relatively easy with overclocking - just flat out everything cpu limited up by 30%. In terms of silent and cool, you do not need to make big sacrifices on noise to go from 3.4 to 4.5ghz in a lot of cases (haha literally in more than one meaning) because some air coolers have good performance without needing fan speeds up, some flat out dont make a lot of noise, and others like the NH-D14 have insane cooling potential but more importantly cooling to noise ratio's - though it comes at a price. Hyperthreading (the difference between an i5 and i7 in this case) is about a 20% performance increase, only in heavily multithreaded applications (not sc2) but costs $80 or something. GPU depends on what else you want to play/do really or if you want to spend more money just do have more GPU power (mostly used for maxing other games) | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On March 16 2013 21:58 Cyro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 21:42 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I'm thinking about building a new computer in the next two months, and for once I'd like to ask the experts instead of reading up on the latest news. 1. Budget Not really an issue. $1000-2000 is fine. Say $1300 excluding monitors, case and peripherials as a baseline. 2. What is your resolution? I'd like to run dual '27 2560x1440 (I think - same as my current iMac) What are you using it for? I play sc2 a little and really not much else. I do a lot of illustrator/photoshop and will in the near future do a lot of programming. What is your upgrade cycle? I upgrade when I need to. My current iMac is mid-11 model. (2600, 6970m) When do you plan on building it? In about two months. Should I wait for Haswell? Do you plan on overclocking? I've never bothered, but I'd like the system to be silent and cool. An aftermarket cooler is something I usually get for my builds. Do you need an Operating System? No. Have everything. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope. Not unless it will help my graphics work. I'd also like to stick with a "game" gpu, and I really prefer Nvidia. Where are you buying your parts from? A norwegian store, but newegg is comparable. Other stuff: I'd like an ssd for os and important software, and a bit of storage. Minimum 2gb, separate disks. Thank you Edit: Case will take ATX or smaller. I don't need a dvd-drive. How important is performance to you? How much would you pay for an x% improvement? For a baseline for such a system, i would say i5 3570 +hd7770 - though haswell is in 2.5 months and there's a couple new gpu's coming around that area which will shake up performance and pricing - but thats not filling out your 1.3k-2k budget, even with a 2tb HDD, 128/256 ssd, etc (..this assumes you mean US dollars converted, but buying from norway - if not please clarify) Every CPU has fps minimums below 30 in 1v1 worst case (regardless of graphics settings) - upgrading GPU does not really change that, which is why people go with midrange cards like the 7770 for playing sc2 - but you can bring this up by 30% or so relatively easy with overclocking - just flat out everything cpu limited up by 30%. In terms of silent and cool, you do not need to make big sacrifices on noise to go from 3.4 to 4.5ghz in a lot of cases (haha literally in more than one meaning) because some air coolers have good performance without needing fan speeds up, some flat out dont make a lot of noise, and others like the NH-D14 have insane cooling potential but more importantly cooling to noise ratio's - though it comes at a price. Hyperthreading (the difference between an i5 and i7 in this case) is about a 20% performance increase, only in heavily multithreaded applications (not sc2) but costs $80 or something. GPU depends on what else you want to play/do really or if you want to spend more money just do have more GPU power (mostly used for maxing other games) Thanks for the reply The real reasons I'm upgrading are three; 1. My current system is a bit slow with illustrator/photoshop work and the usual stuff running at the same time. 2. I'd really like a dual screen setup, as my current single monitor is a bit limiting. 3. My computer lacks an ssd. For comparisation my current system is: iMac with Sandy 2600, Radon 6970m and 4gb ram Regarding pricing $1300 is in newegg/us prices. I like the idea of overclocking if you can get that kind of gain out of it. Seems like a good idea, and it's not like I can't use money on something else like better monitors I now want to overclock.Performance is only important in developer applications. I'd like a little beefier gpu, just for the times I want to play something new now and then. The Geforce 6700 is pretty good, isnt it? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
In terms of overclocking: This tiny little sucky thing i got free with with my cpu at 2200rpm is sufficient for 4.4ghz on ambient 15c temps through all stress testing with maxes around 84c - though my CPU is awesome and needs below average voltage, if a 92mm fan on a tiny little heatsink can do that, you probably dont need the fans up on something decent - AFAIK most lowmid range coolers use a 120-140mm fan of good quality or power and the heatsinks weigh >>>5x more - its so far outclassed by even a midrange cooler its not even funny. A decent case with at least an intake and an exhaust fan (preferably a couple more) is great for balancing temperatures so they stabilize a little above outside-case temps instead of wildly rising over hours because of lack of airflow in/out of the case, but these fans dont need to be loud The real reasons I'm upgrading are three; 1. My current system is a bit slow with illustrator/photoshop work and the usual stuff running at the same time. 2. I'd really like a dual screen setup, as my current single monitor is a bit limiting. 3. My computer lacks an ssd. 1. Better CPU, more RAM, lightish overclock will all help out a ton there AFAIK 2. Dual screen is amazing, one of the #1 things i would reccomend to anyone 3. SSD's also amazing and awesome, quality of life thing most of the time but its just so much quality of life that it's impossible to pass over (: | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:55 Cyro wrote: 670? Yea, its a high end GPU, its good. You're looking for performance and/or value vs other things though, there's quite a few good high end GPU's but there is a "best" one for your desires. In terms of overclocking: This tiny little sucky thing i got free with with my cpu at 2200rpm is sufficient for 4.4ghz on ambient 15c temps through all stress testing with maxes around 84c - though my CPU is awesome and needs below average voltage, if a 92mm fan on a tiny little heatsink can do that, you probably dont need the fans up on something decent - AFAIK most lowmid range coolers use a 120-140mm fan of good quality or power and the heatsinks weigh >>>5x more - its so far outclassed by even a midrange cooler its not even funny. A decent case with at least an intake and an exhaust fan (preferably a couple more) is great for balancing temperatures so they stabilize a little above outside-case temps instead of wildly rising over hours because of lack of airflow in/out of the case, but these fans dont need to be loud 1. Better CPU, more RAM, lightish overclock will all help out a ton there AFAIK 2. Dual screen is amazing, one of the #1 things i would reccomend to anyone 3. SSD's also amazing and awesome, quality of life thing most of the time but its just so much quality of life that it's impossible to pass over (: Thank you for all your help. I'll probably ask some specifics later | ||
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Hellwitch
Canada272 Posts
On March 15 2013 06:21 Myrmidon wrote: So no parts or selection listed anywhere online? It's impossible to recommend specific parts then. Pretty much get this: Core i3 or i5 Ivy Bridge processor (i5 if you can afford it; if they try to sell you an i7, they're trying to rip you off, for your purposes) Socket 1155 motherboard (something cheap is fine; if it's above $100 or so, be wary of getting ripped off on features you'll never use) GTX 650 Ti or HD 7770 graphics card (and this is more than you need; anything above $150 or so is way overkill for your purposes) Whatever 7200 rpm hard drive they have; don't buy more storage than you need Whatever optical disc drive they have; don't buy Blu-Ray unless you need it, or skip this if you don't use CDs / DVDs ever Whatever case is probably okay; they seem to have a few popular and more expensive options Just get whatever 8GB of DDR3 RAM is cheap. Or maybe just 4GB if you're stingy and know you won't need more. Judging by what you've been saying, 4GB is probably plenty for you. For the power supply, hope they don't rip you off. Most places stock Corsair CX430, so that is okay. You're looking at systems under 200W power draw, so whatever is of reasonable quality is suitable. Unfortunately, most brands don't sell anything worthwhile at lower wattages. Just don't pay extra for something with a higher number on the label. Something from XFX, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling is better but probably more expensive. If there's an Antec for cheaper, get that instead unless it's a VP450 or a Basiq Power. There are a lot of other options which you may or may not encounter. Ok, so i went to the shop in question and here's a list of options the guy was suggesting me: Case: Raidmax Aeolus USB3 Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium Motherboard: Gigabyte B75M-D3H CPU: Intel i3 3220 Power Supply: 500W Seasonic 80+ Bronze RAM: KHX 1600 DDR3 Graphics Card: EVGA GTX 660 2g DDR5 Optical Disc: LG DVD-RW GH24N black sata Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 120gb 2.5 sata3 Now, I felt like this list had a few similarities with the one I got from you guys but myself being completely clueless about computers, i'd would still like to get a second opinion on the matter. Do you think this sounds like a reasonable list or am i simply getting ripped off? Like I mentioned before, the price is not really an issue as long as I get to use most of that stuff. Once again, thanks a lot in advance for all the help you are giving me! I truly appreciate the efforts you guys are doing for me and everyone else who seeks advices!  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
660 is $220 at newegg, 7770 has a ghz edition card at $115. What would be the total price of the system? | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I don't even know what to say with respect to the Raidmax Aeolus regarding aesthetics, but it seems like it should work decently. If they have some other SSDs at similar prices like Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Samsung 840, Intel 330, Intel 335, I'd take that over the Mushkin Chronos (which? Deluxe, MX, etc.? I think all are SandForce variants with different flash though). But it's probably not a big deal. Most people don't have issues with non-Intel SandForce-controller-based SSDs these days, it seems. Or maybe they're just less popular now. | ||
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Baozi
United States1191 Posts
I'm looking to get a new machine and despite being a relative newbie at this, I'd like to try my hand at building one with the help of the local gurus. Thanks in advance! What is your budget? I'm looking to spend about $1000 excluding monitor, case, and peripherals. What is your resolution? 1920x1080 is preferred. I'm considering 2 monitors just to have some more real estate when programming, but I'm not sure yet. I'd like the option of adding a monitor at a later date available if possible. What are you using it for? I'm probably going to be playing Dota 2 and emulator games exclusively. I'm also a hobbyist programmer (mostly things like Project Euler problems and Windows applications). What is your upgrade cycle? I'd like this machine to last for a long time. 3+ years is the goal. When do you plan on building it? Hopefully by the end of the month. Do you plan on overclocking? Nope. Do you need an Operating System? Nope. I have Windows 7 Enterprise. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope. Where are you buying your parts from? I'm looking at Amazon, Newegg, and Fry's currently (the City of Industry Fry's). Thanks again for the help. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
There's really not a reasonable way to stock up on $1000 of parts. Maybe you can just buy better monitors (if you were thinking ~$150 or less per screen, might as well rethink that). What kind of emulated games would you be running? Something relatively complicated (say on PS2 / GC / Wii / DC, that stressed the actual system) might require fairly high CPU performance, depending on the title. For certain ones, if you want to run 60 fps, you might want to reconsider not overclocking. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
You don't need to get the K series if you aren't overclocking, but Newegg has the 3570K and 3570 at a $5 difference right now (the non-K on Newegg also has a weaker IGPU, but you'll have a discrete card anyway) so you might as well if you choose the unlocked version (you can always change your mind about overclocking later). Keep in mind you'll still need to fit in a PSU and any extra HDDs, but I'm just illustrating just how much you can get with your budget. I'd recommend looking into getting an SSD; they're quite nice. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
With respect to i5-3570 and i5-3570k, even if you got the latter, if you got a non-Z75 and Z77 (Z68, P67...) motherboard, you wouldn't be able to overclock later on that setup, even if you wanted. I doubt this would make a difference for most hobbyist programmers, but if you're doing some virtualization to test some stuff it could possibly be relevant that the i5-3570k is missing VT-d support whereas the others like the i5-3570 have it. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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