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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
March 07 2013 02:35 GMT
#28121
Do I need to purchase anything else for the body?

No; the stock cooling in the case plus your heatsink (either stock if you're not OCing, or Hyper 212 or something similar if you are) should be enough. If it's 95F in your house during the summer, you might consider another fan if your temps are getting too hot, but until then it's not necessary for a normal overclock.

Don't I need a CD reader for the computer?

If you need one. Are you installing Windows from a disc or a USB stick? Do you have games that are installed via CD?

If yes, DVD-RW drives are usually $15-17 at MC for the cheapest one (and there's no reason to get anything else).

The Eizo monitor suggested is listed at $400 are there better deals and should I wait for cheaper 2560x?????
Is having a 1920 x 1080 monitor going to cap me a lot?

This is kind of something for you to decide. The Eizo monitor is one of the best 23" IPS monitors around right now; if you don't want to shell out $400 right now, you can get something like this for a lot less:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288

Still an IPS panel, reasonable response time, decent color, for $175. If you want to go to 27" eventually, this is a good hold-over and you can turn it to a portait second monitor later because it's VESA mount compatible (aka something like this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?seq=1&format=2&p_id=5402&CAWELAID=1329450873&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CO2IxvHI6bUCFQdU4AodgAcAKA )

Are there any other software other than Windows that I need?

No; only other thing are driver CDs which are included with components.

Isn't there a sound card or something for audio?

The on-board audio on your motherboard is more than sufficient unless you have a high end 5.1 or 7.1 sound system, or you do sound recording (less input lag).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
March 07 2013 08:08 GMT
#28122


Wanted to throw this in, it was discussed before

h220 remains king
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 07 2013 08:14 GMT
#28123
I disagree. The only time an AIO is acceptable over custom loop is when space is at a premium.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
March 07 2013 08:29 GMT
#28124
I meant king of closed loop ^^ :D
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 07 2013 08:36 GMT
#28125
I don't understand why they can't just make CLC's with water. Just bombard them with radiation before you ship and BAM no bacteria problems for 99.99% of customers.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
March 07 2013 09:15 GMT
#28126
So when I get my cheap desktop with 3570K. Is there a lot I need to tweak to get that extra push with overclock? Seems like everyone says it is easy.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
March 07 2013 10:18 GMT
#28127
As long as you have a decent motherboard, no. You have a couple settings, basically you set load line calibration, maybe a couple of simple settings, and then you have only two variables for anything but an extreme overclock: Multiplier and Vcore
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
March 07 2013 11:12 GMT
#28128
Ok thanks. Looking forward to building my budget sc2 pc. Hopefully you guys can help me a little to get the overclock. Since I am new to Ivy. I will post the specifications before I order. Thanks Cyro, MrCon and Myrmidon.
IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
March 07 2013 14:05 GMT
#28129
On March 07 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:
UPDATE: I repeated the experiment with a late game ZvZ replay with maxed armies:

3300 MHz:
Avg: 41.925 - Min: 27 - Max: 58

3700 MHz:
Avg: 46.625 - Min: 32 - Max: 63

4400 MHz:
Avg: 56.025 - Min: 39 - Max: 77

Done on low details?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 08:12:31
March 07 2013 15:35 GMT
#28130
On March 07 2013 23:05 blueslobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 08:18 Cyro wrote:
UPDATE: I repeated the experiment with a late game ZvZ replay with maxed armies:

3300 MHz:
Avg: 41.925 - Min: 27 - Max: 58

3700 MHz:
Avg: 46.625 - Min: 32 - Max: 63

4400 MHz:
Avg: 56.025 - Min: 39 - Max: 77

Done on low details?

I think he mentions in the test that that's on ultra, with a 5770 at 1080p.

EDIT: Whoops. I should have looked for it
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 09:04:49
March 08 2013 03:01 GMT
#28131
1680 x 1050, Intel Core i5 2500K, 4 GB DDR3-1600 and a NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti, custom graphics settings (mostly High) running Windows 7 64 bit with Aero disabled


Doesnt matter, framerates for all settings are pretty much identical under such stress if you have at at all relevant GPU.

I can tell you my system before (first gen i7 @4ghz, gtx580) got half as much FPS with the game maxed vs low at the start of the game (and i would expect a weaker gpu to have far more FPS difference) - but in the worst cases 1v1, both dropped to something like 20-25fps.

Overclocked 2500k/3570k is a much stronger CPU
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
March 08 2013 19:31 GMT
#28132
Hey guys, I'm just curious. Is 4GB still really all you need for memory? The OP still says that. Taking out the cost factor (memory is cheap as chips so why the hell NOT get 8GB?) will you notice a difference with 8GB over 4GB these days? Is it going to be noticable? Largely inconvenient? I'd love to hear some opinions.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
March 08 2013 19:47 GMT
#28133
On March 09 2013 04:31 Brettatron wrote:
Hey guys, I'm just curious. Is 4GB still really all you need for memory? The OP still says that. Taking out the cost factor (memory is cheap as chips so why the hell NOT get 8GB?) will you notice a difference with 8GB over 4GB these days? Is it going to be noticable? Largely inconvenient? I'd love to hear some opinions.


Depends on what you use the computer for. Why dont you monitor your own RAM usage and see if you ever go over 4GB?
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
March 08 2013 19:51 GMT
#28134
Assuming general computer usage, 4GB is fine for most people. I upgraded from 4GB to 8GB, and haven't ever seen usage go above 3.6 GB.
Elairec
Profile Joined June 2011
United States410 Posts
March 08 2013 21:00 GMT
#28135
What GPU would you guys pair with an i5 2400 to run SC2 @ medium settings on a dual monitor setup, both at 1920x1080? I currently have a 550 ti supporting 1600x900 and 1440 x 900 monitors that works fantastic, but I'm not expert enough to know if upgrading the monitors will have that great of an impact on gameplay.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
March 08 2013 21:03 GMT
#28136
you'll be fine for medium with that gpu
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
March 08 2013 21:12 GMT
#28137
On March 09 2013 04:47 Ata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 04:31 Brettatron wrote:
Hey guys, I'm just curious. Is 4GB still really all you need for memory? The OP still says that. Taking out the cost factor (memory is cheap as chips so why the hell NOT get 8GB?) will you notice a difference with 8GB over 4GB these days? Is it going to be noticable? Largely inconvenient? I'd love to hear some opinions.


Depends on what you use the computer for. Why dont you monitor your own RAM usage and see if you ever go over 4GB?


Is there a program that will log memory usage I can use? I actually am curious to see, since the odd times I check around 2-3 GB.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
March 08 2013 22:20 GMT
#28138
perfmon can do it. It comes with Windows. You can create a user defined data collector set with % committed memory in it. It will run in the background on Windows until you stop it. After you stop it, the results show up under "reports".
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Brettatron
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada159 Posts
March 09 2013 02:34 GMT
#28139
Thank you. I'm running it now. Will throw out my results after I've decided thats enough.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 09 2013 16:11 GMT
#28140
Ok, continuing my post from a few pages ago, this is what I'm currently tinkering with, prices in Canadian, off of Newegg.ca

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W - $110
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) - $227
Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $68
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 - $60
MSI Z77A-G43 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - $129
SAPPHIRE 100355L Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 - $200
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - $20
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - $100

I added the graphics card even though I Wasn't planning on it for the free Tomb Raider and Bioshock, though I'm still on the fence about whether or not I'll buy a card. I have some questions about this build so far.

Can I get away with a 500W power supply? I would save potentially around $50.
Is this an appropriate mobo?
Why is this 2x4GB RAM $60 when others are more?
Finally, I have NO CLUE what I'm doing with a case. I Don't want anything flashy, just functional. No lights, no side window, but hopefully decent USB ports front and back as well as audio port front. What do I have to keep in mind for this? What are some options? I've read that the graphics card listed above is large and that may affect what case would work.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
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