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Craton
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Cyro
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Craton
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Cyro
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"If you look at the gain between the NF-F12 and the stock H100i fans then you get a temp differential of 3 degrees. 64 Stock vs 61 NF-F12. As opposed to the 20 degree difference you get with the swiftech switching from stock to NF-F12's." "And all this makes sense when you look at Linus' results using the same TIM and fans for all the units he's tested. Of course the H220 is going to perform better with this config, that's a no brainer." "Linus' testing has pretty much become "let's test a rad and pump", by using the same fans in all tests. It's a no brainer to me that with some quiet but yet powerful fans like the Noctuas, the H220 will do better. It's using a watercooling enthusiast grade radiator and pump. " I think the h220 wrecks everything if you are willing to spend $150-200 on setting it up properly - its by far better than anything before a complete custom loop, obviously a lot of people dont want to spend that money, but others would. | ||
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Craton
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Cyro
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The other sites all seem to use stock fans for a more realistic scenario Thats the problem, when one cooler gains >20c from switching out a couple fans and another gains only a couple of degrees. Its very new, yea. It seems to be extremely well recieved in enthusiast overclocking community, simply because it destroys all of the other closed loops in terms of temperatures so much when you are not testing stock vs stock (where it's about equal with h100i etc apparently at lower fan speeds but quieter or something - which was for some reason a goal from manufacturers) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If you don't mind being down some warranty and losing some of the typical Noctua accessories pack (and color scheme), you can get pretty decent alternatives for ~half price. edit: so 20C difference makes no sense at all. | ||
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Cyro
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Myrmidon
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But just no. edit: you know what magnitude of changes are required to get a 20C difference in load temp? (okay, this clearly depends on a lot of other things, other components, how much heat, etc.) Two CM Blademasters on a Seidon 240M running at 460 rpm vs. 2220 rpm. | ||
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Mathwel
Chile53 Posts
On March 02 2013 17:41 Myrmidon wrote: Looks like the exact same post from 29 hours ago, except an emoticon is missing, likely due to copy and paste not transferring the image? Obviously that means the same parts are listed, so you get the same responses...? If you can't bother with any effort, why should we? srry if i respost it like that is because i thought nobody saw it. anyway nobody answerme so.. :/ | ||
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RiSkysc2
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Is there any verdict to the discussion? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On March 04 2013 04:47 Mathwel wrote: srry if i respost it like that is because i thought nobody saw it. anyway nobody answerme so.. :/ I responded the first time you posted that message. Pretty much everything else has been discussed multiple times. The most recent response you got about the RAM was from somebody who forgot or never saw pages back that the build was for more than gaming... On March 04 2013 04:50 RiSkyToss wrote: So......... there's been a lot of discussion regarding this. I already have the Noctua NH-D14 which is a beast of a CPU cooler but at the moment my case is quite restrictive in regards to air flow, hence the reasoning for the looking to upgrade the case. I've also heard that 800D is very much better for water cooling, thus my question about custom loop / closed loop solutions. Is there any verdict to the discussion? Which case do you have right now? What do you want to cool? How much are you overclocking? Do you want lower temperatures just for the sake of lower temperatures, or for what? 800D is large enough to comfortably house some radiators and water cooling parts, that's it. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On March 04 2013 04:15 Myrmidon wrote: Stock fans go up to 1800 rpm, though they have thinner blades and would be expected to require higher rpm for comparable performance and noise compared to a design like NF-F12 (which is 1500 rpm at 100%). But just no. edit: you know what magnitude of changes are required to get a 20C difference in load temp? (okay, this clearly depends on a lot of other things, other components, how much heat, etc.) Two CM Blademasters on a Seidon 240M running at 460 rpm vs. 2220 rpm. This makes sense to me, but its just not what i have seen and heard from reviewers and actual people replacing the fans and aparantly having results that blow everything else out of the water | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
8C better would blow everything else out of the water. 20C is a different matter. 1800 rpm on that kind of design is probably lower performance and noise than a lot of people (the ones wanting better performance, comparing multiple coolers) would want, so a lot of replacements could get much better temps. But replacing with a 1500 rpm fan, even a good one, for 20C? edit: though larger temperature differences and possibly greater distinction between the radiators should become easier with much much higher thermal loads | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
We could just say ignore stock fans - only doing comparisons with the same TIM and fans, a result like 5-10c better than the previous best closed loop coolers is not too crazy at all (in terms of being impossible) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
btw fan comparison here: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/120mm-fan-roundup-4_24.html#sect0 again, H220 is not that restrictive, and stock Helix 120 is not a low-pressure design (yeah, it's not a great fan, but not worst of all time); result is comparable airflow at max speed compared to NF-F12, though that would be different but not too different on a radiator like the H220 | ||
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Cyro
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Some reviewers are probably a bit more careful with respect to mounting, consistency, retesting, and particularly keeping ambient temp consistent (though temp over ambient should be largely comparable). I think it's safe to say the H220 beats most or all of the other AIO kits as is, when given equivalent fans. I just don't think you can really claim huge improvements by replacing fans on the H220, at least without upping the noise levels. The original suggestion was more that the stock fans were terrible and holding back the performance in most H220 reviews, which is probably not that true. It's mostly that many of the comparable AIO kits have max fan speeds and noise levels higher than the H220 does by default. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
edit: Seems a lot of people are questioning it (the 20c temp gap) - i missed that before kinda, but it seems to outperform everything in general | ||
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Craton
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