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Coopfreak
United States59 Posts
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Coopfreak
United States59 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Coopfreak
United States59 Posts
At the back of the Mobo. The bottom hole is the suspected extra and doesn't line up with the others (and makes 10). ? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e2SkwRM.jpg) | ||
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Craton
United States17270 Posts
On March 03 2013 13:38 Coopfreak wrote: Another noob question...There are more mounting places on the motherboard than motherboard standoffs. Do I need more, or are they not all necessary? Don't want to short my board... You use the ones that your particular type of motherboard uses. You won't use all of them. You don't necessarily need to have every single screw slot on the motherboard used (i.e. missing one likely won't hurt you), but you want to try and use them all if possible. I've had some cheapo cases in past builds (usually someone else's build that I was assembling) that lacked holes on the case matching the motherboard, resulting in me leaving one empty. It isn't a big deal if you've got all the others and sufficient stability. Your picture looks like normal hole spots to me. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vY4xPli.jpg) | ||
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Coopfreak
United States59 Posts
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Craton
United States17270 Posts
Those are the same slots (on that part) that my motherboard uses. They match the diagram on p12. I wonder if its an oversight that B isn't on the first diagram. Maybe it's just an optional one that many mobos choose to use. Cases these days tend to have support for all the popular ATX variants and thus would have that hole. http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx/atx2_1.pdf One of the blues could chime in for confirmation, but I don't see a problem here. | ||
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Coopfreak
United States59 Posts
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
On March 03 2013 09:43 Cyro wrote: Water coolers use water to cool, which is pumped around a loop with a radiator.. That has air fans attached to it to cool the water that is now hotter than it was because of all the absorbed heat from the CPU/components. Your logic is sweet but not strictly correct Thank you good sir! Well i didnt know that they came with a fan, i just thought that they just magical erradicated the heat like a boss. This is why i am here i am not a "hardware dude". | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
Does this look good? Intel® Core i5-3570 Processor = 1779kr Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H, Socket-1155 = 799kr 2 x Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Tactical 4GB = 199*2kr Samsung SSD 840 PROSeries 128GB 2.5" OEM = 1239kr Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Kylare = 295kr 7kr = ~1$ 4500kr=644$ and then use GPU: GTX 560ti 448 cores 1280mb. PSU: corsair tx650 v2 650w. Case: Antec sonata III miditower. OS: Windows vista 64 HDD: western digital cavier gp 750 SATA2, 16mb 7200rpm | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
GA-Z77-D3H (without the "M") is about 10 EUR more, and the area for the cpu voltage, etc., looks better. It's ATX size, not mATX like what you chose. It'll be a lot less cramped between the cpu cooler and graphics card. When the graphics card is under load, the temperature inside the case will rise a lot, I think. I looked into the .pdf for your case, and you have mounting holes for an additional 120mm fan on the inner side of the 3.5 inch hdd cage. This would help getting fresh air from the front into the case. | ||
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
On March 03 2013 19:01 Ropid wrote: You need to choose the i5-3570k, not i5-3570. The cooler should be able to keep the cpu at moderate temperature at 4.2 or 4.3 GHz even without good case ventilation, so that much overclocking should be definitely worth it, I'm thinking. GA-Z77-D3H (without the "M") is about 10 EUR more, and the area for the cpu voltage, etc., looks better. It's ATX size, not mATX like what you chose. It'll be a lot less cramped between the cpu cooler and graphics card. When the graphics card is under load, the temperature inside the case will rise a lot, I think. I looked into the .pdf for your case, and you have mounting holes for an additional 120mm fan on the inner side of the 3.5 inch hdd cage. This would help getting fresh air from the front into the case. so i can get another fan and this would benfit me? i updated the list: + Show Spoiler + Intel Core i5-3570K Processor = 1769kr Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H, Socket-1155 =990kr 2 x Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Tactical 4GB = 199*2kr Samsung SSD 840 PROSeries 128GB 2.5" OEM = 1239kr Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Kylare = 295kr 4691kr = ~670$ and then use GPU: GTX 560ti 448 cores 1280mb. PSU: corsair tx650 v2 650w. Case: Antec sonata III miditower. OS: Windows vista 64 HDD: western digital cavier gp 750 SATA2, 16mb 7200rpm | ||
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OneBk
Sweden157 Posts
On March 03 2013 03:54 Myrmidon wrote: Everything important was covered, but Sonata III doesn't have a front fan mount AFAIK. Even if it did, the front intake and drive cage are restrictive enough that you wouldn't want a low-pressure fan like a TrueQuiet. If you still want something relatively unobtrusive acoustically, some kind of model typically used on heatsinks / radiators like a Scythe Gentle Typhoon, Be Quiet Silent Wings 2, Corsair SP, etc. should be better. Current setup could be fine, but you might just want to update the case to something more modern. Sonata IV is possibly less restrictive in the way AnandTech tested it than the Sonata III, and it just ended up being hotter and louder than other options when loaded with performance hardware like even (non-overclocked) i7-875k and GTX 580. GTX 560 Ti 448 uses the same chip as GTX 580, so it's not like a totally different range of power consumption and heat output. Just an idea, seeing as you're getting nowhere close to 10000kr, not that I recommend spending money just to do so. So a better case? like what? sonata IV or didnt you like that i am confused. | ||
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Craton
United States17270 Posts
On March 03 2013 18:12 RiSkyToss wrote: What is the best case (800D?) and cooling solution on the market without going into custom closed loop watercooling solutions? I wouldn't say there's any one "best" case. The difference between good cases is pretty marginal. Just look for something where you can route cables out of the way (usually behind the motherboard tray through rubber grommets), which will let you avoid most of the airflow restriction inside your case. I don't know what you mean by a custom CLC -- you either do a closed loop (self-contained, no setup required) or you do a custom loop (user sets it up). You can use some all-in-one (I think just Swiftechs) and then add components to the the loop, but I wouldn't call that a CLC. The very best CLCs outperform the very best air cooling by a little, but also cost more. The Noctua NH-D14 is the best air cooler right now, which runs about $80 USD. The Kraken x60 is the best CLC (280mm), though the h110i is more popular (240mm). I think you're really overthinking the need for chassis cooling, though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Craton
United States17270 Posts
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6716/closing-the-loop-ii-new-liquid-coolers-from-corsair-and-swiftech/4 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
He pretty clearly shows that performance is awful (as reported in your anandtech link) with stock fans, but amazing with customs. | ||
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Craton
United States17270 Posts
Still, it's going to cost you an extra $50-100 to get all those fans. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
I dont think they would cost much, and it beats the h100i by 10c, even if it ends up costing a bit more, for the target market of the h100i, 10c is a massive, massive temperature gap.. as you said water does not beat air by that much, 10c further margin is insane. Yeah I saw that, but he also said it had a lot to do with adjusting the pump speed to its highest setting. No he didnt, it clearly shows on the graph he loses less than 1c from running the pump at lower speed which he reccomends for noise. According to the graph, it performs awfully at stock (as shown in many other reviews, like the one you linked) but gains 21c from switching fans to a pair of NF-F12's (120mm) making it by far the best available CLC, when fans used are the same Turning down the pump costs only 0.6c. | ||
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