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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
February 19 2013 00:53 GMT
#27641
He said he was a media professional and needed it for photoshop, then i guess it would make sense
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20306 Posts
February 19 2013 00:54 GMT
#27642
Yea im an idiot and edited as you wrote that. I read the post like 5 times since he wrote it, just being careless..
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Coopfreak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
February 19 2013 01:34 GMT
#27643
On February 19 2013 09:15 Coopfreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 15:03 skyR wrote:
On February 18 2013 13:44 Coopfreak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Build request please?

I have a diverse list of requirements for this build but I hope you guys can help me (if anyone can it's you guys).

Budget: $1500–$2000 (willing—but if I don't need to, great!)
Resolution: I currently have a 16:10 ratio monitor at 1680:1050, but I'll be switching to a 24inch 16 monitor and setting it to be as close to that as possible taking into account the ratio difference (1080?). Is this low? Another important note is that I need to run at least 2 monitors off this machine (and with an option to add a third in the future).

Use: Build usage – SC2, video editing/encoding photoshop etc, streaming
(I'm a media professional so this puppy needs to hum)

Upgrade cycle: I'll probably slowly upgrade parts 1 or 2 at a time ongoing every year
When: now!
Overclocking: Not a priority, but you never know when the urge to dabble may hit.
OS: I gotta buy 7 or 8. Advice?
SLI or Crossfire: Not planning on it.
This will be a Newegg / Fry's build


1080p is the standard resolution these days. Not sure what you mean by setting it to be as close as possible, you want to be using your monitor's native resolution otherwise it's going to look like shit.

Most (all) modern graphics cards suitable for gaming in combination with motherboards will support half a dozen displays.

This is $1068, not including any mail in rebates, taxes, or shipping.

Intel Core i7 3770k @ $320
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

MSI Radeon HD7770 @ $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127687

Asrock Z77 Pro4 & Corsair Vengeance 8gb 1600MHz @ $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157296

You can grab another 8gb for $43 if you use a lot of memory for editing: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233383 If you want matching colours than it's $48.

Fractal Design Define R4 White @ $110 (less expensive at NCIX US and Amazon, also available in Black, with no window, along with other colours)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352025

Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Samsung 840 120gb @ $110 (probably can get it cheaper at NCIX US and Amazon, sometimes goes on sale for under $100. The 250gb variant also was on sale a few weeks ago for $150 or something)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500gb @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Xigmatek Gaia @ $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

Windows 8 64-bit @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416550

If you have legacy software or peripherals that don't have drivers for Windows 8 than you can get Windows 7.

You can get a better GPU if you want but Starcraft II isn't GPU intensive or switch to Nvidia if that's what's better for the video software you use.

Not sure what's everyone's problem with Windows 8 is because it's the exact same thing as Windows 7 with improvements and the change from a start menu to a start screen - both of which are shit.


So this is what I ended up with. See anything incompatible or wasteful?

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($499.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($206.50 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.20 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.20 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Mac Mall)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card ($129.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1430.30

Please and Thanks!

Oops. I did leave it off.
PCpartpicker is telling me the Xigmatek Gaia is incompatible. How about this?
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO ($35 @ Newegg)
I'm not really planning to overclock right away though.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 01:48:54
February 19 2013 01:42 GMT
#27644
Good entry level cooler, same as the Gaia, but they are both low-mid tier, if you dont mind a few hundred mhz then its great.

Overclocking is awesome, with a good cooler and a little luck you can make a 3770k perform better than a stock 3930k even in terms of multi threaded performance - the 3930k has two core advantage (4 vs 6, 50%) but runs at 3.2ghz, you only actually need to OC a 3770k to 4.5-4.6ghz or so to outperform it at stock (because 3770k is ivy bridge, 3930k is sandy bridge - there's about an 8% performance lead at the same clock speed), with a good one you can run something like 4.8-5.1 24/7 but thats all in silicon lottery - So its well worth overclocking 3930k, you kinda need it to get your moneys worth over somebody who buys a 3770k and puts in a few hours of work and a few days of waiting to get a good high end overclock - 4ghz should come very easy to you, which is free 25% performance gain
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Coopfreak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
February 19 2013 01:55 GMT
#27645
So if I'm gonna give the overclocking a whirl down the road with the 3930k what heatsink would you recommend to make it worth it?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 19 2013 02:14 GMT
#27646
To be honest, more useful than the extra 2 cores might be more RAM and better storage (possibly much more useful, and maybe i7-3770k was fine). You mind going closer to $2k?

It all really depends on what you're doing, the programs, the workflow.

Do you work with raw video? If not, you probably should, and if you do, those files are huuuuuuuuuge. Also, you might want a RAID array of disks for the capacity and the speed.

Get 4 sticks of RAM. Is 16GB enough? It could already be massive overkill or not enough.


Overclocking a i7-3930k, might as well go with the big boys, like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709004 (other colors available)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20306 Posts
February 19 2013 02:15 GMT
#27647
212 evo is low/mid tier, NH-D14 is high end (i would get something like that for a 3930k build, but thats personal) and there's a ton of coolers between them (i dont know specific models, sorry), you'd probably be fine with the 212 especially since you dont seem particularly interested in more high end overclocking but its worth mentioning i think
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 02:18:09
February 19 2013 02:17 GMT
#27648
Check out a Noctua NH-D14, they usually go for about 75 bucks and you shouldn't end up with RAM space issues on the X79 mobo you have picked out, even if you do go for quad-channel RAM setup. Quieter than the 212 Evo (though this is overblown) and a quality air cooler.

Nath'd by Cyro.
Coopfreak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
February 19 2013 03:25 GMT
#27649
I cut with Premiere and sometimes sometimes Avid. After Effects happens every once in awhile as does Photoshop. I was planning on adding storage/memory after seeing how it performs. I'm switching over from a mac as my main work machine and not sure of memory usage cause win handles things so differently.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 19 2013 03:31 GMT
#27650
Personally, considering the budget, I would definitely go higher than 120GB on the SSD. All these kinds of media programs take a lot of disk space, after all. The last thing you want to do is be running out of SSD space on a $1500+ machine. Come on.

Here's a Crucial M4 256GB for $160:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-148-443

Upgrading storage/memory after the fact sounds reasonable.
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
February 19 2013 11:58 GMT
#27651
Can anyone recommend a good micro-atx case and a good psu for a media centre (ie quiet) can be a bundle or separate but available in the UK.

Going to build a small media centre to replace the noisy laptop currently plugged into my TV.

Was going to get

Motherboard bundle
Novatech Motherboard Bundle - Intel Core i3 3220 - 4GB DDR3 1333Mhz - Intel H61 Chipset Motherboard

SSD
Crucial M4 6mm 128GB

The machine only needs to play 1080p films and stream HD content so I assume that will do the job just fine, I'm just not sure on which case / fan to get and as noise is an important factor for this one I need some advice.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 19 2013 12:34 GMT
#27652
A Silverstone TJ08-E and a Superflower Golden Green
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 12:45:37
February 19 2013 12:45 GMT
#27653
Also just for that a Pentium will be enough

G860 + H61 + 4Gb RAM can be found for cheaper then that bundle, don't know a lot about Uk retailers but from amazon it's 110£

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Pentium-3-0GHz-Virtualization-Technology/dp/B005JBPS48/ref=sr_1_40?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1361277232&sr=1-40
http://www.amazon.co.uk/AsRock-H61M-HVS-Motherboard-Socket-ASRock/dp/B005AQFA54/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1361277629&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-Memory/dp/B002K23V1Q/ref=sr_1_13?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1361277448&sr=1-13
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 19 2013 17:17 GMT
#27654
TJ08-E minimum fan setting is not quiet. You'd have to do some further voltage control. Also, that's kind of overkill.

Maybe just this, considering price?
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cases/cases/nov-vision.html

SFX replacement PSUs can be found if necessary.

Aftermarket CPU cooler for lower noise maybe?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
February 20 2013 02:38 GMT
#27655
Big thanks to Myrmidon and Misterfred. I built the system I wanted today and I'm very pleased with it. I'm very positive about building a PC yourself, better components for a better price.
Turtle104
Profile Joined April 2011
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 03:21:16
February 20 2013 03:17 GMT
#27656
Would this build be any good? And if not what should I switch around?
I have around a 500$ budget and have the rest covered except for these parts.

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775

Motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138358&Tpk=BIOSTAR H77

Memory - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313080

Video Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130825

DVD Burner - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075

Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

Price - $558.93
Please let me know if I need to change anything or if you guys could do something better for me.
w
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 03:33:11
February 20 2013 03:30 GMT
#27657
Antec VP450 is the worst thing in their lineup by a decent margin, not a system-killer but just plain cheap in quality.

Neo Eco 400C is way better, for $40 (no power cord included; get an old one from any old computer or appliance or buy one for cheap):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

You can save a bit on RAM with a combo (lol this RAM is 8GB @ 1866 MHz for $45 before $11 combo discount, but you'd only be able to use 1600 MHz):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1201755

I guess the $500 budget isn't firm, or else you wouldn't be getting an i3 and a GTX 660? You're over budget, but if you're sticking to newegg, I would consider spending $15 more for the much quieter and cooler Asus DirectCU version of the GTX 660 unless you really want the EVGA:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121664

edit: just as reference
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/asus-geforce-gtx-660-directcu-ii-oc_3.html#sect0
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_660_Direct_Cu_II/26.html
Turtle104
Profile Joined April 2011
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 03:43:46
February 20 2013 03:42 GMT
#27658
You can save a bit on RAM with a combo (lol this RAM is 8GB @ 1866 MHz for $45 before $11 combo discount, but you'd only be able to use 1600 MHz):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1201755

So with this I would still be able to use the RAM that came with the combo. It just wouldn't be able to be used at 1866 MHz and instead would have to be used at 1600 MHz? And also there would be no bottlenecking with the 660 and i3, or just a small amount?
w
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 03:49:35
February 20 2013 03:47 GMT
#27659
Worst-case scenario, you'd just need to load into the BIOS (well, UEFI) and set the proper frequency and timing yourself. 1600 MHz, 9-9-9-24 should be okay. In fact, you'd never notice any performance difference if it were run at 1333 MHz anyway...

It's just RAM. It operates and gets accessed according to the rates the system sets. If it gets set to something it can't handle, you get errors and the system crashes. This kit is rated to do more than a H77 system allows you to set (skipping a detail here or there), so something more relaxed is no problem.

edit: or just find a combo with something similarly cheap. I just found that one as an example of something cheaper than what you had originally. Sometimes, CPU is the bottleneck; others, it's the GPU; others, it's the disk, or RAM, or USB, or... it depends on what you're doing. RAM speed has negligible impact on most programs' performance, for modern systems.
`Mystery
Profile Joined February 2013
34 Posts
February 20 2013 03:49 GMT
#27660
Hey, this is my first build and am trying to keep it under $800 but be able to stream sc2 and play some non-graphic intensive games. How good does this look, and what should I change if anything ? Thanks in advance !

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $785.46
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