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Hey guys, I'm in need of CPU cooler tips. Stock fan is just not doing it in the small case. I need advice on what I should be getting from http://scan.co.uk that I can order asap. Would be nice if the cooler handles min overclocking as well, don't think I'll be going very high as long as I need to travel with this case between countries. Also if I need thermal paste, that'd be nice to get recommended as well
On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote: @The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal).
Other than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however.
Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned.
Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much!
GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though.
And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard.
Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled.
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that.
Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
Is this a troll? I can't think of a single cpu bound game that benefits from the 8350 (you meant this right?) over a 3570. Zero games that tax a 3570 use more than 4 threads. Here is an approximation of how you can expect every cpu bound game to perform on different cpus: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
No, this isn't 'intel biased', as x86 instructions aren't gimped for different configurations. You can look at any other cpu bound game and you'll find similar results, this graph is just the most comprehensive reliable bench I've seen.
On January 28 2013 01:02 Rumiko wrote: Hey guys, I'm in need of CPU cooler tips. Stock fan is just not doing it in the small case. I need advice on what I should be getting from http://scan.co.uk that I can order asap. Would be nice if the cooler handles min overclocking as well, don't think I'll be going very high as long as I need to travel with this case between countries. Also if I need thermal paste, that'd be nice to get recommended as well
On January 28 2013 02:57 ImANinjaBich wrote: is this motherboard compatible with this cpu?
ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 i5 3470
thanks
Stop asking a million useless questions. Yes it is.
EDIT for clarity: On the product page the H77M says it supports LGA 1155 Processors. Guess what?!? On the product page of the i5 3470 it says its a LGA 1155 processor. wowow 10 seconds of reading makes a question not needed.
Sooo, I Know absolutely nothing about computers. I think it would be cool to get the parts and build my own, but i have no idea if these parts even go-together. Can any one tell me if this stuff will work, and if there is anything missing or any suggestions?
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x ... $159.99
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $128.99
EVGA 02G-P4-3660-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $299.99
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RS600-PCARE3-US 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $69.99
Kingston HyperX XMP 10th Anniversary Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model ... $238.49
Intel BOXDQ77MK LGA 1155 Intel Q77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $139.99
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $19.99
On January 28 2013 04:55 TylerDurden275 wrote: Sooo, I Know absolutely nothing about computers.+ Show Spoiler +
I think it would be cool to get the parts and build my own, but i have no idea if these parts even go-together. Can any one tell me if this stuff will work, and if there is anything missing or any suggestions?
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x ... $159.99
Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $128.99
EVGA 02G-P4-3660-KR GeForce GTX 660 Ti 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $299.99
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power RS600-PCARE3-US 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $69.99
Kingston HyperX XMP 10th Anniversary Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model ... $238.49
Intel BOXDQ77MK LGA 1155 Intel Q77 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $139.99
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $19.99
Off the bat though: An i5 plays games as well as an i7 Unlocked processor yet a buisness motherboard that doesn't support overclocking 32GB of ram is stupid. 8GB is more than enough for anything but a professional photoshopper Cheaping on the power supply, good choice, as it can fry your equipment in seconds. A GTX 660 Ti is a bandwidth starved GTX 670. Also depending on your monitor and games you play it's probably overkill The case isn't very good anymore as better ones have came out that are also cheaper
Your missing a CPU cooler (if you want to overclock) and not having an SSD with your budget is wierd.
I suggest you fill out the Questionaire in the OP so we can give you recommendations based on your requirements.
i think ram is so cheap that its not really worthwile criticizing the amounts. More ram is definitely better during multitasking to warrant spending 20 dollar over a span of 5-7 years. Plus, its pretty likely that 8 gb will be a bit tight within that time.
On January 28 2013 05:43 Shauni wrote: i think ram is so cheap that its not really worthwile criticizing the amounts. More ram is definitely better during multitasking to warrant spending 20 dollar over a span of 5-7 years. Plus, its pretty likely that 8 gb will be a bit tight within that time.
Well, the guy above was about to spend $240 on his ram.
On January 28 2013 01:34 Rumiko wrote: Yep, I just need a proper CPU cooler.
Can the top fan be reversed in that setup? Somehow I think the layout would make more sense with top fan intake, power supply fan facing upwards, and downblower CPU heatsink like you have. As it is, you probably have power supply fan intaking around the CPU area, thus fighting with the CPU cooler?
On January 28 2013 05:47 Rachnar wrote: i havent ever hit 4 gb even when streaming.... dunno how people who just play can hit 8 lol
It also depends on how the OS works, Linux is generally better at using RAM that isn't strictly application controlled (mainly disk cache and buffers). So you will easily hit whatever amount of ram you have after a while. Not saying it is necessarily noticeable but i think it's wrong to view RAM as something that shouldn't be maxed.
On January 28 2013 01:34 Rumiko wrote: Yep, I just need a proper CPU cooler.
Can the top fan be reversed in that setup? Somehow I think the layout would make more sense with top fan intake, power supply fan facing upwards, and downblower CPU heatsink like you have. As it is, you probably have power supply fan intaking around the CPU area, thus fighting with the CPU cooler?
Oh man, I had actually not thought about the PSU. As for the top fan I've already reversed it, but I still struggled keeping the CPU cooled. I'll check if I somehow can mount the PSU the other way around, thank you! Edit: got it remounted, I'll see how the stock fan does now. If it still is bad I'll pick from the suggestions, thanks a lot ^_^
With stock cooler, distance between PSU fan and CPU fan is not that close and reversing may not make much difference, but the larger and better the cooler, the closer the fans would be and more interference / turbulence / problems you'd have as a result.
On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote: @The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal).
Other than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however.
Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned.
Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much!
GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though.
And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard.
Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled.
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that.
Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
Is this a troll? I can't think of a single cpu bound game that benefits from the 8350 (you meant this right?) over a 3570. Zero games that tax a 3570 use more than 4 threads. Here is an approximation of how you can expect every cpu bound game to perform on different cpus: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
No, this isn't 'intel biased', as x86 instructions aren't gimped for different configurations. You can look at any other cpu bound game and you'll find similar results, this graph is just the most comprehensive reliable bench I've seen.
If you like running benchmarks 24/7 the 3570 and 3770 will be the better choice. But if you're actually going to use it for gaming, you should consider the 8350. You will get a CPU thats 50 dollars cheaper than the 3570k, the mobo will be cheaper and you get way more sata 6bg ports on AMD chipsets.
On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote: @The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal).
Other than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however.
Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned.
Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much!
GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though.
And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard.
Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled.
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that.
Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
Is this a troll? I can't think of a single cpu bound game that benefits from the 8350 (you meant this right?) over a 3570. Zero games that tax a 3570 use more than 4 threads. Here is an approximation of how you can expect every cpu bound game to perform on different cpus: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
No, this isn't 'intel biased', as x86 instructions aren't gimped for different configurations. You can look at any other cpu bound game and you'll find similar results, this graph is just the most comprehensive reliable bench I've seen.
If you like running benchmarks 24/7 the 3570 and 3770 will be the better choice. But if you're actually going to use it for gaming, you should consider the 8350. You will get a CPU thats 50 dollars cheaper than the 3570k, the mobo will be cheaper and you get way more sata 6bg ports on AMD chipsets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
I think the testing behind this review was found to be inaccurate.
On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote: @The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal).
Other than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however.
Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned.
Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much!
GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though.
And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard.
Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled.
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that.
Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
Is this a troll? I can't think of a single cpu bound game that benefits from the 8350 (you meant this right?) over a 3570. Zero games that tax a 3570 use more than 4 threads. Here is an approximation of how you can expect every cpu bound game to perform on different cpus: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
No, this isn't 'intel biased', as x86 instructions aren't gimped for different configurations. You can look at any other cpu bound game and you'll find similar results, this graph is just the most comprehensive reliable bench I've seen.
If you like running benchmarks 24/7 the 3570 and 3770 will be the better choice. But if you're actually going to use it for gaming, you should consider the 8350. You will get a CPU thats 50 dollars cheaper than the 3570k, the mobo will be cheaper and you get way more sata 6bg ports on AMD chipsets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
I think the testing behind this review was found to be inaccurate.
Would you mind telling us why you think that it's inaccurate?
On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote: @The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal).
Other than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however.
Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned.
Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much!
GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though.
And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard.
Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled.
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that.
Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
Is this a troll? I can't think of a single cpu bound game that benefits from the 8350 (you meant this right?) over a 3570. Zero games that tax a 3570 use more than 4 threads. Here is an approximation of how you can expect every cpu bound game to perform on different cpus: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/129
No, this isn't 'intel biased', as x86 instructions aren't gimped for different configurations. You can look at any other cpu bound game and you'll find similar results, this graph is just the most comprehensive reliable bench I've seen.
If you like running benchmarks 24/7 the 3570 and 3770 will be the better choice. But if you're actually going to use it for gaming, you should consider the 8350. You will get a CPU thats 50 dollars cheaper than the 3570k, the mobo will be cheaper and you get way more sata 6bg ports on AMD chipsets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
We talked about this so long ago that it isn't even relevant. TL;DR no. The i5-3570k is still better than the 8350. An i3 is probably better than the 8350.
To your above post: this entire video was discussed around 1340ish. It's wrong... you can look at the relevant pages if you'd like.
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