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On January 26 2013 06:14 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 05:52 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:37 TheSwamp wrote:On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote:@The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal). Either way, you'll want to get your processor at microcenter. For the build I posted on the last page, you'd want to get the i5-3470 @ microcenter for a nice $50 discount: http://www.microcenter.com/product/400664/Core_i5_3470_32GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_ProcessorOther than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however. Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned. Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much! GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though. And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard. Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled. Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that. Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc).
OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
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On January 27 2013 00:51 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 06:14 skyR wrote:On January 26 2013 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 05:52 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:37 TheSwamp wrote:On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote:@The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal). Either way, you'll want to get your processor at microcenter. For the build I posted on the last page, you'd want to get the i5-3470 @ microcenter for a nice $50 discount: http://www.microcenter.com/product/400664/Core_i5_3470_32GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_ProcessorOther than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however. Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned. Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much! GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though. And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard. Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled. Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that. Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc). OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
i5-3570k will do extremely well even with minimal or no overclocking
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On January 27 2013 00:51 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 06:14 skyR wrote:On January 26 2013 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 05:52 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:37 TheSwamp wrote:On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote:@The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal). Either way, you'll want to get your processor at microcenter. For the build I posted on the last page, you'd want to get the i5-3470 @ microcenter for a nice $50 discount: http://www.microcenter.com/product/400664/Core_i5_3470_32GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_ProcessorOther than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however. Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned. Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much! GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though. And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard. Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled. Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that. Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc). OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything.
An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
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On January 26 2013 06:38 MassHysteria wrote:Hey, and thanks for everything I have learned from you guys already. I have been browsing the thread for a while so have learned/researched alot before I even put my first post in here. I at least feel at silver-level and able to communicate effectively =P + Show Spoiler [OP Q&A] +What is your budget?$750-1000 (before MIR, if any) What is your resolution?Ordered the ASUS VG23AH from Fry's. What are you using it for?Mostly gaming / media center (music, movies/shows/tv, nothing hardcore) / home-network hub / some streaming What is your upgrade cycle?I would say about 8 months to 1 year. When do you plan on building it?Today, tomorrow, this weekend, or as soon as I get all the parts. Do you plan on overclocking?Would like to have the option in my next upgrade cycle but not atm. Question: I bought the Antec 430W earthwatts green (80+ bronze) for $21 (Fry's deal + GC) so will keep it no matter what, but if I decide to OC later, will it be able to handle this or would I need a stronger PSU (I don't mind paying for another later on along with a cooler)? What about if I go SLI later? Do you need an Operating System?Taken care of. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Same as the OC answer in that it would be nice to have the option for another upgrade cycle later on but not atm. I don't think my PSU is able to support SLI, so would it be too much of a hassle to change PSU later on if I do go that route? Reason being I don't want to lose out on the value I got for the Earthwatts I already own. I do know that I will need a better monitor for this to be worth it if I do also. Where are you buying your parts from?I live about 2 blocks from a Fry's so it essentially my run-to store. I am going on a microcenter run (45 min drive) for the CPU + Mobo and anything else you guys suggest would be good to get from there ( I will get them to price-match if from newegg, ncix, or wherever). I also don't mind ordering parts from the websites but if these stores have them in stock I would rather get them to price-match. I think newegg also has a pick-up facility on my way back from microcenter but rather not (yes, I live in PC-component-ordering heaven  ) In any case, I care about getting the most performance for my money (sales, etc) so I have started the component list with what I already have. If I am wrong on something, please correct me. + Show Spoiler [Parts List] +
Monitor: ASUS VG23AH (Frys, $229 (before $20 MIR))
PSU: Antec Earthwatts Green 430W 80+ Bronze (Frys, $20)
CPU and MOBO: i5 3570K 3.4GHz LGA 1155 Processor (microcenter, 189.99) and Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Z77 ATX (microcenter, 94.99(before $10 MIR))...they also have the MSI z77A-G45 and ASUS P8Z77-V LK for around the same price if those are better?
HDD: 1TB would be good I think.
SSD: a 120gb or 128gb would be great.
RAM: 4gb is enough. Any deals recommended?
Disc Drive: DVD RW or blu-ray on sale would be nice but not willing to overpay for blu-ray
Case: Not sure looking at ~$50 range.
GPU: This is probably where I need the most help. Don't really want to spend too much on a great one, more like a good one that will give me the most bang-for-buck right now. Nvidia is preferred, since it is better for my monitor from some limited research I have done. Also, what cable to my monitor should I get if i plan on adjusting the monitor to 75hz (want to make sure)?
Thanks in advance. All of your guys' help is really appreciated. Seriously.
Overclocking: if you can get the mobo combo deal, there's really not much of a downside. Pick up a Xigmatek Gaia or so from Newegg & you're good to go. If you're sure you don't want to overclock, there's not much point to paying for an i5-3570k vs say an i5-3470 & going with a cheap B75 mobo instead of Z77
PSU: Plenty for overclocking CPU & GPU, not enough for two GPUs.
Mobo: I'd pick the Asrock board over the others there, though the Asus may be ok. Also, when at microcenter, MAKE SURE to ask about a combo deal for the processor & z77 motherboard. Might save you another $50
Should be able to get a 1TB HDD for $70
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58746&vpn=ST31000524AS&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1368
RAM. May as well get 8gb. It's cheap. ($37)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=78421&vpn=KHX16C9B1BK2/8X&manufacture=Others&promoid=1026
DVD-burner ($17)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
Case: Bit Fenix Outlaw ($48)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC-OLW-100-KKN1-RP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1395
GPU: I don't think there's any reason to prefer Nvidia or AMD for your monitor, but the Radeon 660 performs alright against the 7870, and are both in the cost-efficient area where I'd recommend either ($220). I picked the Asus here because the cooler is supposed to be pretty good/quiet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121660
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My laptop died, and I'm stuck with my 2006-era Desktop, so next week I'm buying either:
i5-3570k ($220)
gigabyte UD3H ($140)
8GB RAM ($45)
7770 ($100)
=$505
I would overclock the CPU, and potentially upgrade the GPU, in the summer.
or
i3-3240 ($140) or i5-3450 ($200)
~$70 mobo (any recommendations? is http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335 good for a budget/compatible?)
8GB RAM ($45)
7870 ($220) or 7850 ($190)
=$445 to $535
The problem is I'd like to do some streaming, and I don't know if the i3 could handle that. On the other hand, I want a good graphics card (and I don't want to buy a 7770 only to spend another $200 a few months later).
Just how capable is a current-gen i3? Should I try to get a low-end i5 (3450) with a cheap mobo and still go for the good graphics card?
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Current-gen i3 is pretty good, but it's a better idea to go with an i5 if you want to stream.
I would go with the low-end i5, unless you're primarily interested in just running and streaming SC2. In that case, a lower-end graphics card is good enough and an overclocked i5 is warranted.
Prices look maybe slightly high. Why newegg.ca?
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On January 27 2013 06:02 Myrmidon wrote:
Current-gen i3 is pretty good, but it's a better idea to go with an i5 if you want to stream.
I would go with the low-end i5, unless you're primarily interested in just running and streaming SC2. In that case, a lower-end graphics card is good enough and an overclocked i5 is warranted.
Prices look maybe slightly high. Why newegg.ca?
The prices are sort of a ballpark, I know I could get better deals if I look around.
The estimate price of a i5-3450 with the $70 mobo and 7850 is the same as the i5-3570k and the 7770 (at $505). I think the lower-end i5 with a 7850/7870 makes more sense -- it feels anti-climatic to buy a new PC and lowball on the GPU. It leaves less room to upgrade, but it should last for a while on its' own.
Does the specific motherboard choice make sense (ASRock B75M-DGS: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335 )?
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Do you already have a decent heatsink or are you ignoring that price for now, if you go the i5-3570k option? Actually, $140 is way too much for a mid-low-end Z77 motherboard.
If you don't need any more SATA / PCI / PCIe / other connectivity, then something like B75M-DGS should be suitable, sure.
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On January 27 2013 06:36 Myrmidon wrote:
Do you already have a decent heatsink or are you ignoring that price for now, if you go the i5-3570k option? Actually, $140 is way too much for a mid-low-end Z77 motherboard.
If you don't need any more SATA / PCI / PCIe / other connectivity, then something like B75M-DGS should be suitable, sure.
I don't have a heatsink, I'm ignoring that price for now. Should I look for any Z77 motherboard, or a 'decent' one that allows overclocking? I saw an overclocking guide in a blog on TL a while back, and I remember the gigabyte board being recommended above similarly priced ASUS and ASRock boards ( http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=392709 ).
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On January 27 2013 06:39 OblivionMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 06:36 Myrmidon wrote:
Do you already have a decent heatsink or are you ignoring that price for now, if you go the i5-3570k option? Actually, $140 is way too much for a mid-low-end Z77 motherboard.
If you don't need any more SATA / PCI / PCIe / other connectivity, then something like B75M-DGS should be suitable, sure. I don't have a heatsink, I'm ignoring that price for now. Should I look for any Z77 motherboard, or a 'decent' one that allows overclocking? I saw an overclocking guide in a blog on TL a while back, and I remember the gigabyte board being recommended above similarly priced ASUS and ASRock boards ( http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=392709 ).
Yes however Gigabyte's and ASUS's entry level Z77 boards (what you're looking at) are stupidly overpriced for their features. The only reason you would want an expensive Z77 motherboard is if you are an overclocking enthusiast that wants the few extra Mhz an expensive board offers. Almost ALL Z77 boards you will be able to reach 4.5Ghz without problems provided you can keep the CPU cool enough.
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On January 27 2013 10:15 OblivionMage wrote:Here's a final look: Intel Core i5 3350P - 162 Gigabyte B75M-D3H mATX - 63 Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR3 1600MHz - 48 ASUS Radeon HD 7870 - 200 Kingston HyperX 3K 2.5" 120GB SSD - 99 =$572, but that's including an SSD I wasn't going to buy before. I could actually use http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=68901&vpn=BLS8G3D1609DS1S00&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1270 RAM, and save ~$15, but I think 2x4GB would be faster than 1x8GB, right? Does everything seem compatible? I have a 550W Corsair PSU from a previous build.
2x4 is better yes. The ssd isn't great compared to other offerings.
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samsung 840 isn't exactly fast, it just is cheap and probably reliable, though the drive lifespan won't be as high and it only has a 3 year warranty. It's more of an extreme budget option. Samsung 840 pro is THE SSD though.
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Why the i53550P? Isn't that a lower clocked version?
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On January 27 2013 15:22 Alryk wrote:
Why the i53550P? Isn't that a lower clocked version?
It's 3.1GHz vs 3.2GHz, but it saves some money ($40)
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For the mainstream desktop socket:
K = multiplier unlocked, highest-end integrated graphics config (but vPro and VT-d disabled for some reason)
S = low power (contrained power draw, lower TDP)
T = ultra low power (even more so)
P = no integrated graphics
end in 5 = highest-end integrated graphics config
Probably confusing P with S and T, which is understandable because the letters don't really make any sense (wtf Intel?). Note that low power draw does not necessarily mean lower energy usage at all. Lower clocks can mean the CPU needs to stay in higher-power states longer. It's more about thermal envelope.
On January 27 2013 13:17 Shikyo wrote:
samsung 840 isn't exactly fast, it just is cheap and probably reliable, though the drive lifespan won't be as high and it only has a 3 year warranty. It's more of an extreme budget option. Samsung 840 pro is THE SSD though.
Performance should still be in line with most modern higher-performance tier SSDs, though I can't remember if any site got a 120GB sample to confirm for that. The 250GB is as fast or faster than most, but there may be more of a dropoff for the 120GB. Anyway, speed is not really worth pointing out, unless you're using it as scratch space for raw videos or some more-extreme use case.
TLC by itself won't result in lower drive lifespan for the vast majority of users. Or are you talking about something else?
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Yeah it probably won't, I'm just echoing what I read in some review -.- And yeah the speed is pretty good in comparison to the price class, I guess I just meant something different. It's still so cheap that I'd definitely recommend it for users who have more important things to spend on than upgrading to a 840 pro(which is definitely every build below 1000)
Oh and a question question, anyone know about the performance differences between the cases Deep Silence 1 and Deep Silence 2?
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On January 27 2013 02:43 SoulWager wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 00:51 TheSwamp wrote:On January 26 2013 06:14 skyR wrote:On January 26 2013 04:50 TheSwamp wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 05:52 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 05:37 TheSwamp wrote:On January 22 2013 05:13 MisterFred wrote:@The Swamp. As SkyR said, look at the post I wrote for Coil1 (last post pg. 1357) Though being near a microcenter (which one?), you could consider overclocking as you can do it relatively cheaply (you can often get z77 boards cheap as part of an in-store bundle deal). Either way, you'll want to get your processor at microcenter. For the build I posted on the last page, you'd want to get the i5-3470 @ microcenter for a nice $50 discount: http://www.microcenter.com/product/400664/Core_i5_3470_32GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_ProcessorOther than processor or mobo as part of a bundle/combo deal, microcenter rarely offers prices better than newegg/us.ncix.com, however. Your budget is a little higher, of course, but there's not really anything more to spend on unless you want to put some effort into quiet computing, overclock, or are planning on getting a better monitor. You could upgrade to a 7950 instead of 7870, but that'll have only a marginal difference on graphics performance for maybe Planetside 2. A 7870 is already horrendous overkill for SC2 & CS:GO, as SkyR mentioned. Hi and thanks for the help. I live in Chicago. I bought my last PC at MicroCenter and they price matched everything. I'm not sure if they still do this, but if they do I'd rather get everything at the same time. If I were to overclock, would I need an extra fan? Also, to what Nvidia GPU would the 7950 and 7870 be comparable? I know nothing about ATI cards. Seriously though thanks so much! GTX670 and 660ti would be around what you're looking for (7950/7870 range). A lot of people say that 7870 is the best bang for the buck though. And yes, you will want to get an aftermarket fan (instead of the one that comes with your cpu package) if you want to OC. Shouldn't cost you more than 30-35 unless you want to get a fancy one. You will also need a bit more expensive motherboard. Oh, and one more thing. Check with MC first to see what exactly their bundle deal is this time around. It used to be $50 off any Z77 motherboard if you buy a i7-3770k, i5-3570k, or i3-3225, but at least in my area, they changed it to $40 off any motherboard with either 3570k or 3225. The sales reps didn't allow other processors to be bundled. Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. So all I know is to be able to OC an Intel it has to have a K next to the name, correct? Also, My budget has become a little more flexible so if there something that I could spend some extra money on that would be worth it, I can do that. Overclocking requires a K suffix processor along with a Z chipset board (Z77, Z75, etc). OK thanks! Will overclocking an I5 give me more than enough performance on games? Sorry for being overly cautious. I got really bad advice from a friend on my first build, and I just want to be absolutely sure with everything. An i7 isn't really any faster than an i5 for gaming. If you want something faster than a 3570k for gaming you're stuck waiting on Haswell.
Or you could get the AMD 3850 ^^
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